Don Rumsfeld on deck 3:33pm EST on CNN

:grr:

than this asshole. :mad: :puke:

Before 9/11 it never occurred to them that airplanes would be used to fly into the trade center. And before that, he used emotive, graphic description of the attack, as if we need a reminder.

that they had no evidence that they were going to hijack civil airplanes and fly them into the pentagon and the wtc. That leaves a lot open, they could have known they were going to hijack airplanes and fly them into buildings but didn't know which..

testimony at 6:66 that 3:33 is the next best thing.

What is he lying about today...for those of us stuck at work

.....how 'tough' Bob Kerrey is on this psychopathic liar, after his dressing-down of Bill Cohen.

to tell the whole truth and nothing but. Start counting the lies.

instead of his fingers!

to tell the truth!

And in the hot seat. Let's see if he filibusters like Powell did.

That doesn't sound right.

He's right, for once.

I recalled hearing otherwise, but I stand corrected.

was at the WH w/ Pops!

Meaning Clarke's book and ask him about the lack of "no good" targets in Afghanistan but lots in Iraq!

:grr:

what a jerk. He's always greening like the sick psychopath that he is.

Rumbutt is laying down politics...blah...blah...blah. Get to it Rumbutt. Don't be wasting the committee's time.

this does not sound like rummy. but i only have cnn on the radio...

it was him. Sounds a bit different than usual, but the arrogance of the words leave no doubt.

Gotta make sure he's not too obvious with his lies...he doesn't want another Face the Nation moment...

I should have just listened a little longer and counted the number of times i cringed i forgot 20 cringes/min is rummy.

Oh, how bold and decisive he is agianst thsoe awful terrarists!

Will he be questioned?

They all spoke off prepared statements. So far, Powell's was the longest. And yes, questions will be asked later, but it's all timed.

You know something we dont know Rummy?

She wasn't big on spending too much time on placing blame on anyone, either on the Clinton or Bush side. I think she does believe we need to work on this together because the danger is imminent.

Wake me up when you get to this part, Rummy!



:headbang:
rocknation
NYC Peace March Pics

Truly I do.

Me 2!
This whole hearing is such a SHAM given that the
foxes are investigating who ransacked the chicken coop.
Seen this?
http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Thomas_H._Kean
"Now, 'by sheer coincidence', former New
Jersey governor Thomas Kean, the man
chosen by President Bush to lead the 9/11
commission also has business ties with bin
Mahfouz and Al-Amoudi.

"Thomas Kean is a director (and
shareholder) of Amerada Hess
Corporation , which is involved in the
Hess-Delta joint venture with Delta Oil of
Saudi Arabia (owned by the bin Mahfouz
and Al-Amoudi clans)."
Wanna have some fun, run the commission names
thru the disinfopedia.org engine...such a crock this "investigation."
BHN

(from the cafeteria)

Oh, that's rich. How about "Dr." Rice gets her scrawny ass in that commission hotseat and say it herself, eh Rummy?

I'm guessing not. Rumsferatu is a very at nickname. It's just as well that I'm not watching this shit, or I'd throw something at my TV.

PLEASE slam this fuck DOWN!

"WTF is he talking about? It all sounds like gobeldy gook to me."

double talk..

he boils it all down to the raw truth sometimes. :)

boils it down and condenses it.

were the most authoritative and professional.

A moment ago, he asked the committee to imagine how many nations would join us in a strike against al-Qaeda based on "what little was known" about them before 9/11.

Uh - excuse me? What you mean "how little?" (Other than your, er, manhood...)

to ever to walk the earth :grr: :mad:

sponsored a Pentagon study of ancient empires - Macedonia, Rome, the Mongols - to learn how they maintained dominance.

http://www.c-span.org/watch/cspan3_rm.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS3

had happened in NYC. He continued and left to a second meeting in the Pentagon and the explosion hit the Pentagon.

If there's a huge explosion, I would think that he would have been on the Red phone calling to find out information. Was his meeting that important when our country was being attacked?

"He is all over the fucking map...what was the question he was answering?"

but Termite is starting to remind me of my momma. :) Her basic response to most of the administration briefings has been something along of the lines of "what the hell is he talking about?"

I thought this was to be about the lead-up not how "wondeful" this administration was AFTER the event.

He's hogging all the time like Powell did. Scum!

"why the hell is he talking about the future? When he should be talking about the here and now."

who knew rummy's lies could be soooo sleep inducing?

last 3 years. soooo

That Rumsfeld keeps referring to???

he prounounces words. Bin layden? Uusoma? Soup Ladle? My DH says I bet he can prounounce oil.

pose your puzzlers here:

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Did he just say that if they had gotten bin Laden before 9/11 that 9/11 would have been viewed as retaliation for his capture/death? If so, why were they about to impliment more aggressive methods in the Bush Administration? Rumsfeld is cross-talking

or is that the known unknowns? Could be the unknown unknowns for all I know. The only pertinent 'known' is that Rummy is a monster and a criminal.

agenda to be implemented. ergo: LIHOP!

:grr:

We need to change this, and that, etc. Rumbutt's advise already got is the hate of the whole world.

This is crazy...blah blah blah blah..

:grr:

snore

Very cute, Rummy. Not! :grr:

yeah, suuure you do. Why not start by discussing the OSP asshole. He also mentioned how important it was to change the mind set of potential radical muslims so that they won't be recruited into terrorism. Hey, lets invade and occupy two muslim countries killing and maiming tens of thousands in the process, that'll make em love us!!

:nuke:

changes behaviors or whatever?

n/t

"Because I believe he did a good job." *sigh*

and laughs in front of the 9/11 victims' families.

they wanted a new policy on counter terrorism, BUT why would you need that if you didn't replace the counter terrorism expert?

We thought Kerry was picking on Cohen...he refined his questions and made them even tougher against Rumsfeld. Rumsfeld's flailing.

Good job !

on the first question LOL.

I missed that.

should have taken precautions.

we could have done, at the airports, for example, to prevent 9/11.

Kerrey asked why it wasn't done. Crowd applauded, presumably 9/11 victims' relatives.

Rummy was then put on the spot and asked if they would have implemented them without 9/11 happening .....uh...9/11 DID happen....uh.....Yes I think we would have.

All I heard before was posturing and softpedalling of repug failures.

Right....

Our investigation has shown there were NO NEW military options available..

he said it again!

justify a pre-9/11 military action, i.e. war with Afghanistan. We didn't even know that the Taliban and bin Laden were so interlinked until early in the Bush Administration. And even if we did go to war, we would have the same success we see today -- result: no bin Laden. Therefore, our only option was selective military cruise missile attacks when human intelligence gave us information on bin Laden's whereabouts.

Where Bush failed was that he did not respond to the chatter in the same pro-active way that the Clinton Administration did.

And we have yet to learn if the Bush Administration was doing anything else in Afghanistan that would have worked counter-productively to the few bits of counter-terrorist measures we had in place prior to 9/11.

MUST do the opposite of the evil Bill.....he could not do anything correctly...nothing....must reverse all policy.....

Precisely. And they have to accept the consequences of their decision.

Kerry is hitting Rumsfeld hard so at the most he is only "half an a**hole". I still think that his attack on Cohen was personal so am only eating half a crow.

sting like a bee! I think he made rummy look like a lying ass!

isnt that what clarke just said that rumsfield said and all repug heads said he didnt say. didnt sound like rumsfield

<glancing at Wolfowitz>

Rummy's getting sick of being picked on, and Wolfowitz is hiding under the table. LOL He doesn't want NONE of it

he says he sees NO evidence that Rice requested a new policy and while he understands it takes time for a new adminstration, it shouldn't take 8 months for a new military policy when you knew for years that terrorism was on-going.

*

BAM!

n/t

:shrug:

in the book.

Back in 2001/02

What is the big deal about saying that, in and of itself? It's true, after all. Neither Afghanistan nor Al Qaeda had a well developed, "target-rich" infrastructure.

It is only when it is added to the context of "so let's attack Iraq instead, it has plenty of targets," that it becomes ominous.

from a military standpoint, there are not many targets that it makes a whole lot of sense to drop 2000 pound bombs on.

go after Iraq according to Wolfowitz.

Seems to me that Clinton's admin says there was a counter-terrorist plan on transition. The Bushites are saying there was not a plan.

so rummy et al didn't like the clinton plans when they took office

so according to evidence (kerrey says) there was no new plans in 2001.

8 months of nothing -- as the warnings piled up to the heights of the WTC.

i swear i see blood dripping from rumsfeld's hands.

Okay, then why didn't they replace Clarke? Since he would write the SAME policy again, if they wanted a new point of view why would you ask the same actors the same question?

Isn't the confirmation process because we are still a democracy?

He wants his rummy-junta to just take over?

Oh, the Senate! Shame on the Senate!

At least it is a change from blaming Clinton.

they didn't want ot use the Clinton plan and they had not yet put their new plan in place. So there was no plan in place at all....End of story.

them al Qaeda was an imminent threat and the Bush Administration implimented ABC -- Anything But Clinton. It took them seven months to come up with a plan of their own. By then, it was too late.

Which proves to me that if Gore had been president, 9/11 could have been avoided.

I must have missed the "joke" :argh:

n/t

"It's been a fabulous year for Laura and me."
-- George W. Bush, 12/2001

to the victims of Sept. 11.... this commission is a fucking sham!
For God's sakes, did anyone giggle during the Warren commision
(sham that that was too!) ?

and thinking how clever they are. They are truely sick people.
thousands upon thousands died...

if he thinks joking and laughing while testifying as to why almost 3000 people died is in ANY way appropriate! It is beyond sickening.

n/t

Given all that had happened, your process would have taken three years. What gave you the impression that we had that time?

with the frequency of attacks prior to that.

:eyes:

Some sort of obscure mental problem, probably.

Don't worry though, I think he was referring to Al Qaeda. And if he wasn't, there are plenty of excellent psychiatrists that would be more than glad to examine him.

:puke:

Oh how nice it was to visit the park today instead.

Now...back to the brutal reality of this country and it's current mis-administation. :cry:

a successful terrorist act against the united states since then."

i guess its not terrorism when a white american mails anthrax to the opposition party :argh:

because clearly anyone who opposes Bush is a terrorist.
Democrats, terrorists, what's the difference?

:(

(at least on my local station, I don't know about nationally). Or you can get it at CSPAN.org

This is painful. Is there a question in there somewhere, sir?

and people running around with their hair on fire. What an image.

Rumsfeld is an idiot. Someone slam him, please.

ON planes being used which Rummy said that he didn't say THEY didn't know about but that HE didn't know about.....civil aviation flyer suddenly is handed to him.....now trying to give some "context".

this is long enough for now and we are getting requests to consolidate.

continue here please.

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