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Stevendsmith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 12:34 AM
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They call themselves the Vulcans. What more do you need to hear?
There are still people who think BushCo is legit. Fucking amazing.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 12:35 AM
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1. I don't know what you are talking about
But, I would just like to add that it is illogical to think that BushCo is legit.
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Stevendsmith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 12:38 AM
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4. Bush's senior advisors
Cheney, Rummy, Wolfie, Condi--the neocons--refer to themselves as "The Vulcans." No joke. This is a living fantasy for them. The game is played with real lives.
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oceanpoetry Donating Member (386 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 12:39 AM
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7. yuck
Spock would be ashamed ...
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Union Thug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 12:41 AM
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11. Vulcans????
Edited on Thu Apr-01-04 12:45 AM by WillW
They've apparently mixed up the Vulcans with the Death Star. Pathetic Neocons...

edit: added... Actually, I think Romulans would be a better match. They are relatives of the vulcans, after all. Romulans were sort of neocon vulcans.. it now makes sense
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 12:40 AM
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10. Clarke called them that on Hardball
Cheney, Wolfowitz, Rumsfield, Perle, Rice
all the Vulcans.
whatever the F&ck that means.
He pretty much stated in oh so eloquent terms that Cheney has his hand up Bush's arse and Cheney runs the show.
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bearfartinthewoods Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 08:19 AM
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29. which is why the name makes no sense in a ST application
the vulcans were logical, above all. if the reference is to greeks mythology, it still makes no sense.
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Sulldogg Donating Member (219 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 12:35 AM
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2. Where have they called themselves that
I've heard it before, but never been able to track down a link.
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Gothic Sponge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 12:37 AM
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3. ????
What does Bush have to do with Star Trek? ;)
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Selwynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 02:40 AM
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22. If they're referring to vulcan cannons, then maybe the name works..
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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 12:38 AM
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5. They're nothing like Spock or Ta Pau
Didn't Wolfowitz say our ancsetors would sing songs about us conquering the middle-east?
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Gothic Sponge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 12:40 AM
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8. I'd vote for a Klingon over Bush
n/t
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 12:41 AM
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13. Speaking of Klingons
We need a Massive Roll of Toilet Paper to Wipe the White House Clean.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 12:42 AM
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14. Hell yes
At least the Klingon wouldn't be a pathetic, cowardly, moronic, cocaine-snorting, alcoholic stooge.
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Classical_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 04:08 AM
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26. I believe that is Richard Perle.
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 12:41 AM
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12. Oh heres a link to a book about them (the War Party) Vulcans
Edited on Thu Apr-01-04 12:43 AM by Mari333
While campaigning for president in 2000, George W. Bush downplayed his lack of foreign policy experience by emphasizing that he would surround himself with a highly talented and experienced group of political veterans. This core group, consisting of Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, Colin Powell, Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Armitage, and Condoleezza Rice, has a long history together dating back 30 years in some cases. Dubbing themselves the Vulcans, they have largely determined the direction and focus of the Bush presidency. In this remarkably researched and fascinating book, Mann traces their careers and the development of their ideas in order to understand how and why American foreign policy got to where it is today.



http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0670032999/102-9564631-8240130?v=glance
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 08:13 AM
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28. i have heard/read the term used a few times before Clarke said it...
Edited on Thu Apr-01-04 08:18 AM by ElsewheresDaughter
i will try and find the source...it was a book with volcan in the title ...gave up beef last year...things keep falling into those spongi holes in my brain :scared:
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 12:39 AM
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6. "Beam me up, Scottie, there's no intelligent life down here."
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oceanpoetry Donating Member (386 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 12:40 AM
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9. LOL!
n/t
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Stevendsmith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 12:42 AM
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15. Here you go:
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kysrsoze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 01:49 AM
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16. Well that explains it - no emotion
Just greed. Slightly vulcan, I guess.
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Bushknew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 02:18 AM
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17. They should be called vultures not Vulcans.
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mulethree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 02:21 AM
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18. Vulcans
Vulcan was a fire god, a smith who made Zeus's thunderbolts, weapons for Mars the war god, and a magic shield for ... someone else whose name I forget.

Vulcan a 60's era british warplane, delta wing, perhaps their first supersonic bomber?

Vulcan modern gattling gun. 20mm, shoots like 5000 rounds per minute. Depleted Uranium ammo. Used for last-chance anti-missle defence on navy ships, probably other uses.

Anyway as Hawks and PNAC proponents, I thought the first - fire god - reference might be as likely as the Star Trek Vulcans
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 02:24 AM
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20. Oh my god that is sick
And, it makes sense...
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Eye and Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 02:26 AM
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21. Magic shield - Achilles armor. Impressive, but in the end, not effective.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 09:03 AM
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33. yup! Volcans = Carlyle Group = War Machines
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Eye and Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 02:24 AM
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19. Not Star Trek. Roman Mythology. And there was only one Vulcan.
So, yet again, BushCo has gotten it wrong.

"Vulcan is the Roman and Greek god of fire and the forge, and mythical inventor of smithing and metal working. His Greek equivalent is Hephaestus. His forges were under Mount Aetna on the island of Sicily. He was smith, architect, armorer, chariot builder and artist of all work in Olympus--dwelling place of the gods.

Vulcan is the son of Jupiter (Zeus) and Juno (Hera), husband of Venus (Aphrodite) and is considered to be one of the twelve Olympians. With the help of Cyclops, the one-eyed giant, he made the thunderbolts of Zeus, the weapons of Hercules, and the armor of Achilles."

http://www.vulcaninc.com/plt0p02.htm

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Buns_of_Fire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 03:16 AM
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23. That must mean that boosh* is today's Pan
One of the most singular of the inferior gods was Pan, whose worship was universally regarded. He was the god of shepherds and herdsmen, of groves and fields, and whatever pertained to rural affairs...

His favorite residence was in the woods and mountains of Arcadia...

Pan was originally, among the Egyptians, worshiped in the form of a goat, and under the name of Mendes...

Pan, like other gods, who dwelt in forests was dreaded by travelers, to whom he sometimes appeared, and whom he startled with sudden awe or terror...
http://www.sacklunch.net/mythology/P/Pan.html

There y'go. An inferior god, who likes to live in the woods, worshipped as a goat, and a little twit who's into "shock and awe." I don't know if Pan was Greek or Roman, but then boosh* doesn't know if he's fish or fowl, either.
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Eye and Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 03:25 AM
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24. Pan doesn't really fit, he's a randy god, and earth-oriented. Think Icarus

http://iron.lcc.gatech.edu/classes/carney/engl1101_l/Group1/The%20myth%20of%20Daedalus%20and%20Icarus.htm

Overview

Daedalus...told his son (Icarus) escape may be checked by water and land, but the air and the sky are free, and he made two pairs of wings for them. They put them on and just before they took flight Daedalus warned Icarus to keep a middle course over the sea. If he flew too high the sun might melt the glue and the wings would fall apart. If he flew too low, the wings would not sustain the properties required for flight. As the two flew lightly and without effort away from Crete the delight of this new and wonderful power went to the boy’s head. He soared exultingly up and up, paying no heed to his father’s commands. He then fell into the sea and the waters closed over him. Daedalus flew safely to Sicily , where he was received kindly by the King.



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Buns_of_Fire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 03:52 AM
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25. Well, Lord knows boosh* isn't what you'd call "randy"
Icarus, though, strikes me as more a tragic figure. And no one suffered from Icarus' overreach but Icarus himself.

What we need is a Greek or Roman god called "Numnutz" to draw the appropriate comparisons. :-)
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 08:25 AM
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30. man's roman god of compassion: Promethus
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 06:46 AM
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27. They're not logical enough to be Vulcans.
Neocons are idealist, not critical thinkers.
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Fuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 08:26 AM
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31. More like a Ferengi that has been partially assimilated by the Borg
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Rockholm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 08:51 AM
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32. Need to hear?
The sound of their vulcan space ship leaving earth!
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