Canada seems to be the place to be for progressive ideals

With the recent judgements on gay marriage and file sharing, it seems that Canada is the only place in the hemisphere that is progressing rather than reverting to past holdings.

Is there anyone else that is seriously considering Canada if * "wins" another election?

I hear Toronto is a rather nice city.

On a side note, is being for the legality of file sharing typically a liberal issue? Some parts of the argument seem to cater to conservatives as well, just curious to which side embraces it more.

actively country shopping. brushing up on my spanish, french, and japanese ASAP. ya never know when you might to pack up all your worldly possessions in a suitcase and hightail it out.

love my america, but i'm not gonna destroy my life in waiting for it to come to its senses. success is no longer likely in the stacked deck of this modern america. canada, europe, australia, and japan are looking *very* nice.

after Australia (including New Zealand, in this case).

Free-thinking, polite, low crime levels, cultured and the cities tend to be very well managed. Toronto is gorgeous, Vancouver is stunning.

It's the damned climate that loses that first place!

Now here in Australia, (Sydney, anyway) a winter's day is typically down to about 50F overnight, warming into the low 70s by afternoon. All those summer sports like tennis, golf, sailing, etc, they are year round here. Otherwise, a country very similar to Canada, culturally.

And we do have a functioning democracy where the voters' intent is normally recognised by the preferential voting system, so we should get rid of little johnnie howard in October

They've contributed much to what I love about Canada. Many of the draft dodgers and deserters who settled here became politically active, and gave a good shot in the arm to progressive causes.

Here's a snip from an article regarding activist Carl Rising-Moore's call for a new Underground Railroad in Canada to aid America's latest generation of war resisters:


Vancouver city councillor Jim Green arrived in Canada as an American avoiding the Vietnam War. He grew up in South Carolina, where the only jobs available to the working class were in the army. He recalls his father, whose life in service began with the French Foreign Legion and finished with the American Air force, as a "violent, ill-educated man whose life had been war." Not surprisingly, long before Green objected politically to violence and war, he had a personal resistance.

Green says draft dodgers in Canada had it relatively easy compared to deserters, who were mostly poorly educated, working-class kids. When Green arrived in Canada, he offered shelter to deserters, since they were much less welcome in Canada than draft dodgers, and needed help that much more.

Though never greatly involved with the '60s expatriate American scene in Vancouver, Green describes the draft dodgers he's met as "fine people who made a great contribution to Canada."

Another participant describes the '60s influx of American draft dodgers as a "brain gain" to Canadian society. But for Rising-Moore, talk of draft dodgers is just so much speculation at this point, and secondary to his chief concern: U.S. military personnel dying at their own hands. Born in Canada, but now a U.S. citizen based in Indianapolis-America's "geographical and political center"-the 57-year-old says he served stateside in the U.S. army between 1964 and 1967, but never saw combat. "I've never shot anybody, thank goodness, and I avoided that mess in Vietnam, so I feel comparatively well-off compared to some of my brothers and sisters in the military."
http://www.vancourier.com/015104/news/015104nn1.html

Some of the most politically active people I've met actually came into Canada to avoid the draft.
I met a lot of them when working in Housing Co-ops.
I personally would always welcome anyone who wanted respite from the kind of nightmare government you guys live in now.