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usscole Donating Member (47 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 04:14 PM
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308,000 new jobs, but the unemployment rate goes up?
I don't get it.
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 04:17 PM
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1. You can not believe this.
Do you understand what is going on? Summer time coming and always more at work.
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Turbineguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 04:19 PM
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2. Please ignore the unemployment rate
Edited on Fri Apr-02-04 04:19 PM by Turbineguy
it's part of a conspiracy to bring democracy back to America by getting King George the Stupid out of the Whitehouse.

Focus only on the jobs Our Great Leader has created all by him self and without any help from those people who settled the grocery store strike in California.

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Kathy in Cambridge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 04:23 PM
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3. Real unemployment rate probably between 10-15%
unemployment rate doesn't count the millions whose unemployment benefits have run out, and haven't found a job. I am in that position soon myself.

Why is your user name 'usscole'? :shrug:
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BOHICA06 Donating Member (886 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 04:45 PM
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12. Yes it does .....but by survey
Edited on Fri Apr-02-04 04:50 PM by BOHICA04
the unemployment rate is determined by a survey that asks individuals 16 years of age or older - did you work or did you look for work during the week of the 12th for a given month. The survey and methodology have been consistant for decades. It does not capture discouraged workers - those that have stopped looking for work.

On edit - the total number of those that worked (no minimum limit on hours) plus those looking for work is considered the workforce and becaome the denominator. The numerator is the number that worked within the week of the 12th.
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usscole Donating Member (47 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 05:23 PM
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13. My son's name is Cole - couldn't think of anything better
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realdeal22k Donating Member (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 05:26 PM
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14. Why name yourself after a software company?
:shrug:
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Kathy in Cambridge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 07:37 PM
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27. Self delete
Edited on Fri Apr-02-04 07:44 PM by RationalRose
:shrug:
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ihaveaquestion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 04:24 PM
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4. wtf?
Where are the numbers? Show me the numbers!
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 04:25 PM
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5. zero manufacturing jobs
Edited on Fri Apr-02-04 04:26 PM by rchsod
increase in service related jobs and some rise in constrution jobs due to better weather. other than that nothing to win an election on. oh yes rise in part time jobs and increase of older workers no longer looking for jobs.
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realdeal22k Donating Member (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 05:32 PM
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16. Need to be careful with that zero MJ title
I know at least 500 people in my area that are new hires in manufacturing jobs that were recently started by private businesses. It does appear that the big name Mfg jobs are slim but I'm seeing more private industry than in the last 30 years.

All the more reason to ramp up the LIHOP/MIHOP angle against these criminals in case this turns into a real recovery. We have the admin over a pole with Iraq and the non-war on terror. Steady as she goes...
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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 06:05 PM
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23. 500 here and there are anecdotal and hardly a recovery.
Remember it's a big country and "Right to Work aka Little Ability to Organize and get decent Wages and Benefits" states are actually seeing job creation. 500 in your neck of the woods? I'm in NC and this place is a flippin' lost manufacturing job wasteland.

Anyway the 308k was mostly smoke 'n mirrors.

So (IMO) we should bash el Busho with LIHOP, MIHOP and Lost Manufacturing, all the way to November.

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realdeal22k Donating Member (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 06:15 PM
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24. I agree
My point was it is not zero. Saying zero makes the person saying it look not too bright. I know we are hosed but we can be accurate and still bash the the little dictator.
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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 06:26 PM
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25. That's cool.
It's hard to tell intent over the net so you're probably right about the terms we write to describe the dismal manufacturing situation in the US of A.

What's really disappointing to me is that most of the new manufacturing jobs that I've read about don't pay that well, sort of like a really good retail job, and benefits are shot to hell.

But the Media will proclaim them as 1:1...
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lastknowngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 04:25 PM
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6. her ya go look at the numbers a little closer
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 04:35 PM
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10. Great Site!
"So unemployment edged up from 5.6 to 5.7% Meantime, the U-6 table at http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t12.htm reveals that the number of unemployed plus marginally attached - climbed from 10.3 to 10.4% for the month - and that's with literally millions falling off the rolls."



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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 04:29 PM
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7. How many of these jobs are PART TIME??????
Hmmm, doesn't say, huh! Or, what is the average pay rate for these new jobs? Bet ya the average isn't $35-$40/hr!

Where do we find out THIS info?
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comsymp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 04:33 PM
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9. Looks like all of 'em...
Edited on Fri Apr-02-04 04:34 PM by comsymp
But for out-of-work Americans, the economic rebound has been frustratingly slow. In March, there were 8.35 million people unemployed, compared with 8.17 million the previous month. The average duration of unemployment has been more than 20 weeks, a 20-year high.

Jobless workers are increasingly accepting part-time work. The number of people who worked part time for economic reasons rose to 4.7 million in March, up from 4.4 million the previous month.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040402/D81MMV3G0.html

4.7MM - 4.4MM = ??

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daveropeswing Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 05:54 PM
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21. 35 dollars per...


I've been working at the same newspaper for almost 9 years. Ive been a member of the CWA for almost 6 of those years. I make a little of 12 dollars per hour and since george (the little) came to power working part-time. To live in the Seattle area a person needs full time work at over 15 per.

Even the pressmen dont get 35 per hour. Ive always wondered where these incredible salaries come from. So many people that make over 75 grand per year.

I gotta get another job........



mq


markq_99

davesropeswing@yahoo.com
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Nite Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 04:31 PM
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8. The rate goes up
Because more people are now looking for work. It went down only because people had stopped looking. More construction work in the spring summer and the CA supermarket strike is over which accounts for almost 50,000 workers back at work. These aren't new jobs just the ones they were striking from and now have less than they had before.
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 04:35 PM
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11. The labor force went up by 308,000. Jobs only went up by 19,000
And the labor force went up because more people are looking for jobs (probably collage grads have a lot to do with that).
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 05:29 PM
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15. If they lie about Medicare costs, they will lie about jobs too.
I have NO FAITH in these criminals. They WILL do anything to maintain this office. They lied to the SENATE about the costs of Medicare they will lie to the people without even thinking about it.
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DrWeird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 05:33 PM
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17. More jobs lost.
Susan gave Ingemar five apples. The total number of apples that Ingemar has went down. What happened?
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skeptic9 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 05:33 PM
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18. Here are the official numbers,...
... from http://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/empsit.pdf

Notice the household survey shows a DECLINE of 3,000 jobs from February to March! The spinning is furious, even though the report itself is quite ambiguous.

Table A. Major indicators of labor market activity, seasonally adjusted
(Numbers in thousands)
______________________________ Feb._________ Mar.___________ change

HOUSEHOLD DATA Labor force status
Civilian labor force ____________ 146,471 _____ 146,650 ________ 179
Employment _________________ 138,301 _____ 138,298 __________ -3
Unemployment _________________ 8,170 _______ 8,352 ________ 182

ESTABLISHMENT DATA
Nonfarm employment ________ p130,240 ____ p130,548 _______ p308
Average hourly earnings __________ p$15.52 _____ p$15.54 _____ p$0.02
Average weekly earnings __________ p524.58 _____ p523.70 _____ p -.88

p=preliminary.

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Oddman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 05:38 PM
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19. None of the details matter
What matters is the headline - that's all the people look at. They don't read or listen beyond the headline. That's how this joker got "elected" in the first place and why his numbers stay so high even though he has been a complete failure in every aspect of the presidency. Every day I wake up and I am amazed and horrified that this buffoon is really the President of the United States of America.
It boggles my mind . . .

"Say anything stupid and chimpy gets it!"
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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 05:39 PM
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20. Good lord this 308k number is bizzare. It looks like when the Unified ...
...Budget was introduced back in the days of Vietnam.

Same budget numbers just added up differently so the Military spending seemed like a smaller chunk of the total spending. Same lousy job growth just added up differently to look like a gain.

What a load of horse shit.
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mandyky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 05:56 PM
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22. Can we really trust ANY numbers that come out of this admin?
Probably Walmart hired 200 thousand part time workers
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 06:29 PM
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26. Bingo! We have the lucky winner!!
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