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Mattforclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-04 11:49 AM
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Poll question: Are you ready for Jihad?
Make it go away, mommy. :(
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-04 11:49 AM
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1. what do you mean by that?
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Mattforclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-04 11:53 AM
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3. Sadr declared Jihad
Unless Sistani does something quickly, and is listened to, the Shi'ite area of Iraq is about to get worse.
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laura888 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-04 11:50 AM
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2. ok....so jihad is what exactly?
please explain in more than 3 simplistic sentences beyond what the media parrots.
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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-04 11:54 AM
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4. Think Palestinians vs. Israelis = Shias vs. US occupation forces. n/t
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laura888 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-04 11:58 AM
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6. sounds too simplistic to me
don't buy it
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-04 12:34 PM
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26. Okay...think in terms of the Jihad that was declared in Afghanistan...
..against the old Soviets when they occupied that country. Old feuds were set aside by the various tribes/factions and they agreed to fight against the common enemy until they were driven from Afghanistan.

Definition: Jihad - <http://www.google.com/search?q=define:Jihad>

Once all factions in Iraq are united against the so-called "coalition", the war will take a very nasty turn. We are seing the first step in that process today.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-04 12:37 PM
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27. Current news stories on jihad in Iraq...
<http://news.google.com/news?q=Jihad%20Iraq&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wn>

Lots of sources here...pick one you believe to be unbiased.
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brainshrub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-04 12:14 PM
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20. Will the US govt give me a subsidy to move there?
And possibly build me an exclusive highway to my settlement?

That might be cool. /sarcasm.
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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-04 11:57 AM
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5. deleted
Edited on Sun Apr-04-04 12:08 PM by LittleApple81
deleted link. It definitely portrayed jihad as too extreme. Sorry about this.
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laura888 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-04 12:02 PM
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7. your source is up to his neck in it
"a member of the presidentially-appointed board of the U.S. Institute of Peace."

please be serious.
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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-04 12:03 PM
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11. You are connected to the web. Do your onw search. n/t
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laura888 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-04 12:05 PM
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13. no - provide some trustworthy, unbiased source to back your claim
otherwise, don't waste my time
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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-04 12:06 PM
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14. I will not waste mine either. Sorry. n/t
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laura888 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-04 12:07 PM
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16. hmmm...an impossible feat? OK - that would be a waste of time n/t
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Virginian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-04 12:02 PM
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8. That sounds like, "Conquer rather than Convert:.
If it was peaceful, would they send missionaries?
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Aidoneus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-04 12:02 PM
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10. Why not just quote Hitler to educate about the Jews?
:eyes:
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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-04 12:05 PM
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12. I am sorry about this. But I guess I should have just told
people to conduct their own search. There must be a lot of references on the web and I just chose the wrong one.
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-04 12:07 PM
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15. Do your own research on Daniel Pipes
:thumbsup:
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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-04 12:10 PM
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18. Thanks. I will. n/t
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-04 12:17 PM
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22. Why are you quoting a neocon like Daniel Pipes?
Here's an alternative:

"This term has never been translated by Muslims to mean holy war. Instead, it means to struggle or exert oneself to his or her utmost potential. In Islam, there are two levels of jihad. The greater jihad most often refers to the inner struggle against evil within oneself with the goal of self-improvement for the betterment of one's community and the world as a whole. The lesser jihad refers to the struggle on the battlefield in self-defense if Muslims have been attacked and their right to practice their faith has been aggressively taken away. " Fight in the cause of God against those who fight you, but do not transgress limits. God does not love the transgressors" (Qur'an 2:190). This is an unequivocal statement that only self-defense makes war permissible for Muslims and the goals of war cannot be worldly gain."

http://www.google.com/search?q=define:Jihad
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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-04 12:19 PM
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23. Thanks. my bad. I definitely used the wrong quote. n/t
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laura888 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-04 12:19 PM
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24. thank you! Google as an unbiased source. This sounds more like it.
thank you
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Fatima Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-04 08:04 PM
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31. Thank you for posting this-
Too many have equated "jihad" to strictly mean combat.

Another thing: Islam does not permit the killing of innocents- non-combatants, kids, etc. It also prohibits suicide for any reason. Think about that folks the next time you hear that Islam encourages suicide bombing. That is wrong, it is an innovation and a sin.

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DIKB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-04 12:02 PM
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9. Jihad
A basic appeal to religiosity. Imagine Jerry Falwell, and every other religious leader inciting hatred against a certain group (like homosexuals). Only this time giving it a religious edict. Almost like a grant from God for forgiveness of sins/blessings in this life and the life afterward, etc. People don't understand what this can mean to the mindless religious people. In some ways christians have moved beyond this form of fanaticism, so it's hard for us to imagine what this can mean.

Look at images of Muslims beating themselves with chains in rememberance of a RELATIVE of Muhammed their prophet's death, this should give you a VERY BASIC idea of the . . . I can't find a word for how basic and almost cave-man like the belief system is.
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-04 12:09 PM
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17. say what?
Edited on Sun Apr-04-04 12:13 PM by KG
jerry falwell and his cronies are already inciting hatred of certain groups like it is a religious edit. they do it day on TV shows. and fundies getting bit with snakes is every bit as wack as the freaks with chains.
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DIKB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-04 12:16 PM
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21. irony
"jerry falwell and his cronies are already inciting hatred of certain groups like it is a religious edit."

I was quite aware of this, hence the reference.

As far as snake handlers, they pose nowhere near the danger that aggressive fundamentalists do.

I in no way support fundamental religion. Christians confuse and annoy me, Muslims outright FRIGHTEN me.
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-04 12:26 PM
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25. missed the irony.
i don't find xtian any less frightening. they've just learned how to wear that sheeps clothing better.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-04 12:12 PM
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19. No.
I wasn't ready for the Bush war on working people.

But I am now.
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-04 12:46 PM
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28. no. but i'm ready for some football!
all my jihadist buds are coming over tonite!

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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-04 07:43 PM
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30. ROFLMAO
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-04 01:08 PM
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29. Ready or not...
Whoomp, dey it is.
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