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Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 01:55 PM
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Military Aptitude testing
Did any other DUers' high school children have to take the Armed Services test in their Junior year? My son was forced to take it this year. He told me that it was not only the male students, but the females too. Apparently, its part of the no child left behind policy. They also give the kids scores and names to recruiters.
We of course have never gotten his scores. Frankly, I was shocked that a lot of the parents of his co-students didn't know that they had been forced to take the test. Anyone else have a similar experience? Also, is their a way to get his scores?

Frankly, I find it appalling that they are forcing high school kids to take this test, especially given the tumultuous times we are in!
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cheezus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 01:57 PM
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1. I think I'd encourage my kids to fail it
...but that would require some research to see the effects.
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BigMcLargehuge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 01:58 PM
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2. I took the ASVAB in high school
but it was when I was considering joining the Navy. At the time it wasn't automatically given, and I had to schedule test time through the recruitment office in town.

One of the best designed tests I've ever taken. I did well too, in the 98th percentile.
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strategery blunder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 01:59 PM
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6. You did well on it? Watch out!
The military might use your high score to special-skills draft you.
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 03:04 PM
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21. I aced it too...
The Army recruiter was practically humping my leg until I told him I was accepting a commission to Annapolis. He just couldn't trump that.
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montanacowboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 01:58 PM
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3. It's a good recruitment tool
they have your home address and phone # also. Schools are forced to do it. I imagine when the kids are 16 or 17 they come knockin on your door.
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strategery blunder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 01:58 PM
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4. I graduated high school the year before NCLB
Edited on Mon Apr-05-04 02:00 PM by chair094
Thank God. However, if there is a massive US government campaign to collect this info, I'm surprised they haven't made me take it at college yet.

Edit: spelling
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Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 02:02 PM
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9. I also took it by choice after high school
When I went into the Air Force. I wasn't forced. This really disturbs me greatly. I don't like them having any information on my child that they could us for any draft, selective or non selective.
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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 01:59 PM
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5. Well, my son is a senior. They wanted him to take this test "just
for kicks" because they were not required to do it. He said "thanks but no thanks."
But he really is in the "danger zone"for a potential draft. I am so worried about this.
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AmericanErrorist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 02:01 PM
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7. I choose to
it was either that or the PSAT, and I wasn't looking to take the SAT at the time....
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 02:01 PM
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8. can a student refuse to take it
i would challenge the school
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Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 02:03 PM
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11. I should have had him call in sick in hindsight n/t
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x-g.o.p.er Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 02:02 PM
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10. Forced? As in mandatory?
Wow....the SAT's and ACT's aren't mandatory.
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Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 02:03 PM
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12. yes, forced
and we haven't been given his scores
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buddy22600 Donating Member (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 02:11 PM
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15. Try a FOIA request
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strategery blunder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 02:07 PM
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14. The ACT is mandatory in Illinois, where I went to school
It constitutes half of the Prairie State Achievement Exam, which is required for graduation.

However, it is also paid for by the state, so I got a free college admissions test, complete with one free retake, out of it.
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scottcsmith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 02:07 PM
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13. Amazing
I'm all for people joining the military, but to force kids to take the ASVAB, and then forward the results on to military recruiters, is wrong on so many levels. I thought conservatives were advocates for a "smaller" federal government, a less intrusive federal government. Liars.
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GiovanniC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 02:11 PM
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16. I Took The ASVAB My Junior Year
Edited on Mon Apr-05-04 02:12 PM by GiovanniC
To get out of second period English.

I got a perfect score on it... me and another student in my county -- a girl. I was recruited HARD, especially by the Navy. They wanted me to join their nuclear engineering path. Made all kinds of promises about me being able to choose my first assignment ("Anywhere in the world you want to go"), automatic promotions/pay grade increases after completing basic, etc.

But taking the test was all voluntary, I wasn't forced.

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Mattforclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 02:20 PM
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17. Me too
When I took it a few years ago, it was "optional," but of course no one was told that. They said that we were all going to take this test, to help with "career selection" and that it was a "service" from the defence department to help us figure out what we wanted to do with our lives.

I got something around 99 percentile in everything except auto mechanics. I also got a hell of a lot of recruitment, especially from the Navy - they wanted me to run nuclear submarine reactors as well... It is rather frightening. If you do at all well on the test, you are apparently good enough to work with nuclear reactors.

Oh well, I guess that's how Homer Simpson got his job.
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GiovanniC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 02:27 PM
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18. Yeah
I shudder to think what would happen if I was at the controls of anything with the word "nuclear" in it.

Of course, I can at least PRONOUNCE "nuclear", so I've got a leg-up on the so-called Commander-in-Chief.

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bedtimeforbonzo Donating Member (344 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 03:42 PM
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22. Well, not exactly
the test can get you into nuke school, which has an amazingly high attrition rate. It's really brutal.
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DontBlameMe Donating Member (889 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 03:54 PM
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23. Man, I resemble that remark!!
Edited on Mon Apr-05-04 04:08 PM by Brand
As my recruiter put it, "Everyone in the office would blow you to get you to go nuke!"

I aced my ASVAB, got a 78 out of 80 on the nuke qualifier exam (I think it was out of 80. Regardless, it was 2 points away from perfect).

Did nuke A school in Orlando. Absolute fucking nightmare! The best way I can describe it is 2 1/2 years of college in 4 months(minus social sciences). I went into nuke school weighing 195 pounds. I exited A school weighing 163.

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Career Prole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 02:34 PM
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19. Hell no!! WTF!?!? n/t
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Kimber Scott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 03:00 PM
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20. I took that test in the 70s
Edited on Mon Apr-05-04 03:03 PM by Kimber Scott
Every kid takes it, that I know of. It's called the ASVAB. (Armed Services Vocational Aptitude Battery.) You might have taken it and not known what it was for. It measures aptitudes in math, electronics, clerical, mechanical, etc. (on edit - the scores are used when a new recruit is trying to qualify for various jobs within the military.) The scores are sent to your local recruiters and the school is required to give your child's name, address and phone number to military recruiters, unless you go to the school and fill out a form requesting they don't. SOP. Been that way for a VERY long time, although, I think only recently they started the opt out program for the name and address info.

You can call any of your local recruiters and request the scores.
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DontBlameMe Donating Member (889 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 05:28 PM
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24. kick
for those who have draft age kids
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