Hate the War?? So does Josh Marshall, soberly...

He makes the most excellent, anti-war points in this entry. He cites the Nelson Report, and makes fantastically perfect arguments against keeping the current goons in power, the same goons who handed us a no-plan, no-idea, no-clue, no-cost, no-justifiction war against Iraq.

Thoughtful readers will absorb this post from Josh Marshall.

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Entry: April 05, 2004 -- 07:09 PM EDT

Anyone feel like discussing?

And we are heading to a point where forces will come into play to seriously change the direction of the country.

Sens. Luger and Biden are demanding that Congress be in the loop on future important decisions regarding Iraq.

Former President Carter and Sen. Kennedy have accused Bush of lying about Iraq.

So the adults will eventually grab the wheel. But it may be too late. Our position in Iraq may become untenable, which will mean an inglorious defeat and retreat. Unfortunately, this will happen during Kerry's first term, and Republicans will blame the defeat on Kerry. Maybe Kerry should retain Bush's Iraq team and make them try to fix the problem. It would give him some insulation from the inevitable criticism.

... are the same people who thought invasion in the first place would be a disaster. America accomplished the initial mission, and we will accomplish all those missions before us."

Really? No duh.

It's shocking to me, the way they attempt to turn things around on us. We've reached a true turning point in this war, a point at which the people have begun to really question their President about this war. It took a long time to get here, and 610+ young lives, and while we were impatient, the time has arrived.

Our message could finally be heard in America now. HERE is where it counts, and only we possess the power to deter our country from its dangerous trajectory. I think Josh really rallies the troops of truth in his post.

We need a march. A real, real big one. But quick. Just for starters... this country is ripe to listen. Finally.

wished they never reached, it has been a quagmire for a while, not it is more than just a quagmire

full civil war.

The situation will only become more intense as the heat rises in summer. And there's no clear direction out of the quagmire.

I think he misses the complicity of Congress ( with the lone dissent of Sen.Robert Byrd)in giving the Administration a blank check for
the Iraq war.If Congress had debated the Iraq War Resolution completely and performed its duties vis-a-vis Advice and Consent, we may not have found ourselves in the mess we are in today. Sen.Byrd clearly alluded to this in his speech in the Senate when he condemned the silence of Congress in proceeeding ahead with the War Resolution without any debate whatsoever.

In any case, I concur that this administration which has made a mess of domestic and foreign policy issues does not deserve to be given the reins of power which it illegally usurped in 2000.

Our own eventual nominee for president exhibited the same complicity, no matter how many ways we try to spin it. It's upsetting. I still feel that Congress was under the pressure of the electorate, and the electorate was under the pressure of the ever-spinning anti-terror machine of the Administration's making, but that's another post altogether.

However, doesn't that make Bush's crimes more troubling? He misled Congress, the American people, the Citizens of the World, the United States Armed Forces... all of us, for a vendetta, a lark, an ill-conceived and ill-planned re-election boondoggle-turned-quagmire.

The buck stops... somewhere. If you ask me, it stops in the fingertips of the voter.

He's on top of what is happening in Washington.

"It will be critical to see, in the coming days, whether this is one spasm of violence (organized by the young firebrand Muqtada Al-Sadr in response to being shut out of the political process by the Americans) which can be brought under control or whether this is the first day of a new phase of violence or even uprising.

The reality is that the US doesn't have anywhere enough soldiers in the country to control the place if there's this sort of widespread violence on an on-going basis. That could quickly lead to a vicious cycle which will put a virtual end to reconstruction and prevent the coming into being of any entity for us to hand the place off to. In Jefferson's ugly phrase, we may end up holding the wolf by the ears."

I seems to me that we're holding the wolf by it's tongue.

We ought to just hand it all over to the Shiites and get out. That's what's going to happen eventually, anyway. Why not just do it now?

It reads like the clean-up operation after a hurricane or an earthquake. It has no inkling of hostility toward the invader. None.

No thought that the survivors of the war might have a few objections. Not one.