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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 12:11 PM
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Would a United World ~ One world government be a good thing?
Would a world governed by a constitution similar to ours that would allow total free movement from country to country without fear and universal "Rights" be a good thing or is it better to have a world divided by nationality and religion? The world is a scary place to travel. I am wondering if we could all become Terrans instead of Americans or Mexicans or ?????. Would that make for a better world or not?
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 12:14 PM
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1. Fuck no!
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Muddleoftheroad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 12:15 PM
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2. No
I used to relish the Star Trek future. Now I realize we are all too divided by issues of religion, race, politics, etc.
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 12:19 PM
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3. firtunately, in the ST future
divisive things like religion are gone :)
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Muddleoftheroad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 12:42 PM
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9. You must be watching a different show
Not in the one I've seen.

They have all sorts of religious, deities and beliefs. And are taught to be respective of the others.
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 01:06 PM
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11. respective of the others.
that's what I mean, you don't see people in Trek who claim to have the only truth and non-believers must be punished, etc.
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Muddleoftheroad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 01:30 PM
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13. Actually, I think they do have such people on Trek
But Trek is also sci-fi and bears little relation to reality. Witness their witless handling of money in the future.
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x-g.o.p.er Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 12:19 PM
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4. NO!!!!
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 12:26 PM
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6. Why is it a good thing for America then?
Why wouldn't it be better to have fifty seperate countries then using your rationale?
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 12:41 PM
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8. I notice there are 3 no votes to my one yes vote.
We fear the unknown and in this case, its a one world Gov't.

Its basic ... we fear the loss of POWER and CONTROL. The other guys would out vote us and there it goes.... Nigamitsu san is our next World President. Mr Smith goes home to the farm.

But in reality, it would be a step toward world Peace and Stability, known requisites for Sustainability.

Without Sustainability this Earth will soon become a death trap for Homo Sapiens. The Facts and Numbers point this out with astonishing accuracy. Our runaway population will soon reach 10 Billion and in 10 years 13 billion. Unless we find solutions to the Protein deficit already in place in too many regions, we WILL face enormous hurdles and challenges with some TOUGH CHOICES.

Sustainability would allow our precious energies to be used for living, fun, all the things we live for and more. There will be no need for a Mega Defense except for the ET Terrorist guys of ST venue.

Will we be mature enough to make the first step??

In my view, Hardly. WE are a Species in love with adrenolin. We Love FEAR, Death, Injuries, WAR, etc. Peace is too complicated, violence more simplistic.
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John BigBootay Donating Member (574 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 12:50 PM
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10. Dreamer! You're nothing but a dreamer! n/t
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 01:16 PM
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12. You may say I'm a dreamer
but I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
and the world will be as one
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salib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 12:25 PM
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5. The only effective way to "police"
I think it is inevitable, if we are truly going to take effective steps against terrorism, gross inequity world-wide, and manage globalization. I do not see how it is possible right now, though. I definitely think that the EU is a closer example than the USA.
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 12:36 PM
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7. Hell no.
We're halfway there now, with the US the world's only hyperpower. How's that goin' so far?
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Mattforclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 01:34 PM
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14. Yes
Though I certainly wouldn't make any "inevitability" claims, conglomeration of peoples into larger and larger groups is the way we have been heading since hunter-gatherer, and is accelerating with modern globalization.

Whether it is a good thing depends on how it is - for example if it were Stalinist it were bad. But since you say that it would be a general constitutional democracy, then yes.
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IkeWarnedUs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 03:07 PM
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15. Yes and no
I support having a world organization that has the authority to set legal and ethical standards and to enforce them and to have a forum to settle international disputes. This is the idea behind the UN and International Criminal Court.

But I think it would be a horrible idea to have one central government that controled all aspects of life.

There's a reason the founding fathers created the United States and not just the country of America. They recognized that the only possible way to keep the human desires for power in check is to spread the power among smaller governments - the states.*

I won't try to improve on perfection, so I will just quote from the preamble to our Constitution to explain what I would like to see a world government do: ". . . form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity."

Btw, I think that's the way the world has been headed and that's why the neo-cons are so desperate to create the American empire now. This may be their last chance.



* I wonder, if they knew how densely populated the states would become, if they would have made them even smaller?
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tjwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 03:15 PM
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16. Hell no, the US is already an unchallenged superpower...
...and all the bozos in charge are succeeding in doing, is farming out our manufacturing jobs to third world countries where they can use child labor, pay pennies, and take advantage of their lax environmental laws. Not to mention widening the gap between the ultra rich, and everyone else. Yeah, give one group of greedy bastards unlimited access to all the worlds resources, and see what happens. There's a reason that the saying "absolute power corrupts absolutely" exists.
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