Have You Guys Discussed This Yet ??? (The Nation re: NeoCons)

Just got turned on to it.

Still Dreaming of Tehran
by Robert Dreyfuss & Laura Rozen

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The Bush Administration's hawks and their neoconservative allies at the American Enterprise Institute (AEI) and The Weekly Standard are engaged in a high-risk and high-stakes effort to restore their fading power in Washington by pressing for a confrontation with Iran. It's no secret that the neocons' star has fallen since the war with Iraq. The intelligence scandal plaguing the White House and the ongoing crisis in Iraq itself can both be laid at their doorstep, and it's widely believed that President Bush's re-election team would dearly like to extricate the President from the Iraqi tar baby.

But the neocons aren't giving up, and they are trying to pull the White House in even deeper. Not only are they undeterred by the chaos in Iraq, but they are pressing ahead to advance their regional strategy, one that calls for regime change in Iran, then Syria and Saudi Arabia. Says Chas Freeman, who served as US Ambassador to Saudi Arabia during the first Gulf War and a leading foe of the neocons, "It shows that they possess a level of fanaticism, or depth of conviction, that is truly awesome. There is no cognitive dissonance there."

What makes the neocon strategy on Iran especially risky is that with Iraq teetering on the brink of civil war, neighboring Iran has significant clout inside Iraq, including ties to various Iraqi Shiite factions and a growing paramilitary and intelligence presence. If Iran chooses, it can help ease the daunting task that the United States faces in trying to put together a sovereign Iraqi government. But if it seeks confrontation, it can help spark an anti-US revolt in southern Iraq, home to most of Iraq's Shiite majority. In that case, nearly all analysts agree, the American occupation could be overwhelmed.

Leading the charge against Iran is AEI's Michael Ledeen, perhaps best known for setting in motion the US-Israeli arms deal with Iran in the mid-1980s that became known as Iran/contra. Supporting Ledeen's position are two other AEI fellows: Richard Perle, the ringleader of the neocons and a former member of the Pentagon's Defense Policy Board, and David Frum, a Weekly Standard contributing editor and the former White House speechwriter who coined the phrase "axis of evil." In their new book, An End to Evil, Perle and Frum call for a covert operation to "overthrow the terrorist mullahs of Iran." Speaking to retired US intelligence officers in McLean, Virginia, in January, Ledeen called Iran the "throbbing heart of terrorism" and urged the Bush Administration to support revolutionary change. "Tehran," he said, "is a city just waiting for us."

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Link: http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20040412&s=dreyfuss

FUCK!!!

The NeoCons need to be hung by their balls on the National Mall!!!

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Quote: The NeoCons need to be hung by their balls on the National Mall!!!

But, wouldn't they need tweezers to find them? Isn't that what all this bombing war stuff is about? Men pretending they are "bigger" than they actually are?

Missle Envy!

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sorry for the double post... Mozilla freaked out on me for some reason.

right before Malloy and Boortz. He mentioned that Muqtada Al-Sadr is being supported by Iran. The anchor had this look of puzzlement on her face and said "Iran?"

And if the US leaves Iraq, there will be three seperate entities fighting amongst each other, which would also most likely spill into the other countries.

"Let the streets run red with the blood of our enemies, real or imagined."

n/t

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Ledeen is viewed skeptically by many experts, including at the State Department and the Central Intelligence Agency. "Ledeen doesn't know anything about Iran," says Juan Cole, a professor at the University of Michigan who is an expert on the Shiites of Iran and Iraq. "He doesn't speak Persian, and I believe he has never been there." But Ledeen does have connections in the Iranian exile community. For the past two years, he has maintained a relationship with Manucher Ghorbanifar, the Iranian wheeler-dealer who worked closely with him in Iran/contra. Ledeen introduced Ghorbanifar to a key neoconservative official, Harold Rhode, a longtime Pentagon staffer who speaks Arabic, Farsi, Turkish and Hebrew and who until recently served in Iraq as a liaison between the Defense Department and Ahmad Chalabi. Rhode and another Pentagon official, Larry Franklin, have been talking to Ghorbanifar about options for regime change in Tehran. "They were looking at getting introduced to alleged sources inside Iran, who could give them some inside information on the struggles in Iran," said Vince Cannistraro, a former CIA counterterrorism chief. Ghorbanifar, he said, was spinning tall tales about alleged (but unsubstantiated) transfers of Iraqi uranium to Iran's nuclear weapons program.

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Just Fucking CLASSIC!!!

Hello... Calling the American People... WAKE THE FUCK UP!!!

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LOL!!!

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between reading about these horrible people and hearing the latest news out of Iraq I feel literally sick at my stomach.

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Completely nauseus...

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We don't have enough troops to take care of things in Iraq (I'm not sure anyone would).

Iran has a much stronger, better equipped fighting force (their military and citizens) than Iraq. If 135,000 American soldiers, a handfull of "coalition forces" and God knows how many mercinaries are not enough to win in Iraq ("Mission Accomplished" be damned), how many troops would it take to conquer Iran? Where would they come from?

With the s**t hitting the fan in Iraq and the memories of Viet Nam still fresh, do you really think enough Americans would report for a draft to go fight in Iran?

I don't. I bet Perle does, the f**king idiot.

don't the let the door hit you Richard.

Which leaves me quantumly perturbed at their callous disregard for this country, and human life in general !!!

ASSHOLES !!!

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