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Selwynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-04 11:26 PM Original message |
Why do secular and religious people try to tell each other what to think? |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-04 11:28 PM Response to Original message |
1. I'm comfortable with just about everyone |
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Selwynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-04 11:32 PM Original message |
LOL great post! k or k+1 - therefore, by induction... I love it... :D |
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July (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 08:09 AM Response to Reply #1 |
26. Thank you, kiahzero, and thank you, Selwynn. |
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LeahMira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 09:02 AM Response to Reply #26 |
33. Is it coming from the top down? |
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rpannier (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-04 11:32 PM Response to Original message |
2. Unfortunately... |
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alittlelark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 12:38 AM Response to Reply #2 |
13. I know 5 or so atheists...none of them fit that description. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 12:41 AM Response to Reply #13 |
14. I agree. We atheists just want to be left alone. |
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rpannier (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 12:46 AM Response to Reply #14 |
15. And I know many |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 12:57 AM Response to Reply #15 |
19. Okay, let's assume I worship a giant supernatural lizard. |
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daveskilt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 09:02 AM Response to Reply #19 |
32. the difference is forcing action versus inaction |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 11:34 AM Response to Reply #32 |
41. Not quite. Christianity teaches that sins of omission are as serious |
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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-04 06:36 PM Response to Reply #32 |
79. it's forcing abstinense - still forcing. |
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gpandas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 02:06 PM Response to Reply #19 |
46. agreed |
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dpibel (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 01:00 AM Response to Reply #15 |
20. No, |
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rpannier (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 01:06 AM Response to Reply #20 |
22. No |
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dpibel (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 01:18 AM Response to Reply #22 |
23. And your point would be? |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 07:39 AM Response to Reply #23 |
25. Sorry, but you're wrong on one count |
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dpibel (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 08:57 AM Response to Reply #25 |
31. Students can pray any bloody time they feel like it |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 01:16 PM Response to Reply #31 |
44. You'd be wrong, then |
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July (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 08:16 AM Response to Reply #15 |
27. I don't know, I see it differently. |
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gpandas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 02:02 PM Response to Reply #15 |
45. enforcing opinion on general public? |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 02:09 PM Response to Reply #15 |
48. There is a difference between religiously neutral and opposed |
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Book Lover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-04 06:34 PM Response to Reply #15 |
77. Just take God off |
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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-04 06:34 PM Response to Reply #15 |
78. If you cannot see that that is an example of believers forcing |
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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-04 06:31 PM Response to Reply #13 |
75. Boy is THAT ever the truth! |
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dpibel (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 12:56 AM Response to Reply #2 |
18. Since you abhor name-calling |
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rpannier (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 01:42 AM Response to Reply #18 |
24. Anyone |
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daveskilt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-04 11:37 PM Response to Original message |
3. I need to think about this |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 11:48 AM Response to Reply #3 |
42. I thought this was why Churches and other religions |
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BigThama (68 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 11:07 PM Response to Reply #3 |
52. Dave! |
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wickerwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 11:50 PM Response to Reply #3 |
54. The thing is, I don't really feel the need to access the spiritual,period. |
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LZ1234 (247 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-04 11:38 PM Response to Original message |
4. Good Post |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-04 11:48 PM Response to Original message |
5. i believe,........bah h aha h |
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jbeam (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-04 11:49 PM Response to Original message |
6. WWMBS? |
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dpibel (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 12:53 AM Response to Reply #6 |
17. You can say: |
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newyawker99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 12:48 PM Response to Reply #6 |
43. Hi jbeam!! |
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LastDemocratInSC (580 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 12:00 AM Response to Original message |
7. The existentialist view, although I don't buy it entirely ... |
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Selwynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 12:17 AM Response to Reply #7 |
9. That's interesting... but I think perhaps... |
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LastDemocratInSC (580 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 12:25 AM Response to Reply #9 |
11. Oh, I do too ... |
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daveskilt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 08:48 AM Response to Reply #9 |
29. well thats just the basis of critical thought |
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cclark401 (91 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 02:19 PM Response to Reply #7 |
49. Like your handle |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 12:04 AM Response to Original message |
8. Conversion syndrome? |
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Selwynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 12:18 AM Response to Reply #8 |
10. Not all Christians are taught to be agressvely "evangelical" |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 12:34 AM Response to Reply #10 |
12. I was raised a Catholic and it was part of our identity to |
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Selwynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 12:52 AM Response to Reply #12 |
16. Aye, I certianly know that can be true... |
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sweetheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 01:03 AM Response to Original message |
21. What conflict? |
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hiphopnation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 08:36 AM Response to Original message |
28. Great Post, Sel. |
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Kanary (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 08:55 AM Response to Original message |
30. Why? Because it's the American Way. |
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gpandas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 02:08 PM Response to Reply #30 |
47. never |
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Kanary (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 10:29 PM Response to Reply #47 |
51. Sadly, I believe you're right. |
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supernova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 09:14 AM Response to Original message |
34. Individual realities colliding |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 09:18 AM Response to Original message |
35. Belief |
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Kazak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 09:28 AM Response to Original message |
36. This secular person doesn't... |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 10:05 AM Response to Reply #36 |
40. this one neither |
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Selwynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 10:23 PM Response to Reply #40 |
50. What exactly do I do? |
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Brewman_Jax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 09:31 AM Response to Original message |
37. My belief system is my personal experience |
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JohnOneillsMemory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 09:58 AM Response to Original message |
38. Heated because so many are dying now in religious wars. DOMINIONISM. |
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Steely_Dan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 10:05 AM Response to Original message |
39. An Agnostic |
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bigbillhaywood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-04 11:38 PM Response to Original message |
53. There is no God...It's a fact. |
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JohnLocke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-04 05:01 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. LOL. |
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bigbillhaywood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-04 05:06 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. Okay, I believe in the Easter Bunny-- what makes this belief any less |
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JohnLocke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-04 05:25 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. Wow...why not belittle everyone in your path? |
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bigbillhaywood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-04 05:29 PM Response to Reply #57 |
59. An unfortunate consequence |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-04 05:26 PM Response to Reply #56 |
58. No evidence for you, perhaps. (n/t) |
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bigbillhaywood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-04 05:31 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. No objective evidence for anyone, unfortunately |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-04 05:39 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. Arbitrary distinction |
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bigbillhaywood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-04 05:44 PM Response to Reply #62 |
65. So I guess someone believing they are Napoleon would count as evidence |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-04 05:49 PM Response to Reply #65 |
67. Your argument is flawed |
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bigbillhaywood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-04 06:00 PM Response to Reply #67 |
70. I would immediately seek the help of a psychiatrist |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-04 06:06 PM Response to Reply #70 |
71. Then your viewpoint is not scientific |
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bigbillhaywood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-04 06:15 PM Response to Reply #71 |
72. Interesting point |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-04 06:27 PM Response to Reply #72 |
73. Why is the assumption that you are schizophrenic better? |
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bigbillhaywood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-04 06:38 PM Response to Reply #73 |
80. But what about my cat example? Or the Easter Bunny? |
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Selwynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-04 05:42 PM Response to Reply #56 |
63. How do you respond to those who say they "experience" the presence of God |
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bigbillhaywood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-04 05:56 PM Response to Reply #63 |
68. Hey look, I admit it probably is annoying to believers |
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Selwynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-04 05:37 PM Response to Reply #53 |
61. Logical truism: absence of proof is not proof of absence. |
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bigbillhaywood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-04 05:43 PM Response to Reply #61 |
64. Conceded, but this holds for the Easter Bunny's existence as well |
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Selwynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-04 05:45 PM Response to Reply #64 |
66. Answered above. And either way, that doesn't chance the fact that... |
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bigbillhaywood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-04 05:57 PM Response to Reply #66 |
69. Okay, that God does not exist is NOT A FACT, however belief in God is |
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salin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-04 06:33 PM Response to Reply #53 |
76. can't help it, but |
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bigbillhaywood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-04 06:30 PM Response to Original message |
74. Join the Atheist Resistance! |
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Selwynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-04 07:20 PM Response to Original message |
81. I can't believe how fast this thread was hijacked.... |
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bigbillhaywood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-04 07:31 PM Response to Reply #81 |
82. Sorry |
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THATGIRL1 (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-04 07:40 PM Response to Original message |
83. Wise, wise words |
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