Leno Slammed bush on the "who you talkin to" last night

I don't usually watch leno, but was flipping through and caught this.

he actually told the audience about the jerkoff's Who you talking to...his joke went

apparently calling him sir wasn't enough...just think how mad he is going to be after november when they start calling him George again...


the audience roared and it was the loudest I have ever heard.

but Leno does!

Leno slams everyone. He is about as neutral when he is live as one can get. The applause was normal. On a side note, I
am a determined and unyielding democrat/liberal and I heard on
the radio that any conservative viewpoints brought up on this
site are banned. Is that true? Something I am proud of as a
liberal is our open minds. Banning different opinions does
not seem open-minded. Please tell me this is not the case.

Not a small-d democratic site.

It was created for Democrats to gather and discuss issues and feel comfortable with like-minded people.

There are lots of message boards that allow both points of view, so if that's what you're looking for, go find one.

Insannity or Pigboy must have been mentioning us lately.



PS Is that in icepick in your head or are you just glad to see me?
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Conservative/Republican viewpoints are not tolerated here. The rules to the sight point out why. There are plenty of places to get those opinions and engage in debate, just not here.

are generally more broad-minded than our conservative brethren- Mr. Webster's definition of Liberal addresses that pretty thoroughly.

DU, as a privately run, members-only message board, does have rules, however. You probably read 'em when you registered but this section may address your question:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/forums/rules.html

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ON EDIT: Would love to know where on the radio you heard this???

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One that is, quite literally, shameless.

Anyway, you can often get them to out themselves when you challenge their nonsense viewpoints.

but the chewy ones are so much more fun than the crunchy ones!

(besides, he did repeatedly use the term "we democrats"- how could many here NOT be fooled by that brilliant subterfuge?)

Yeah, that was really worth the effort. That'll bring down our gay commie traitor site.

democrat/liberal... loved that part!

and many of these former Republicans, after having taken the initiative to educate themselves about WTF is really going on in *'s Amerika, have found a home here- go figure.

You have a good one, too.

I quickly learned, however, that when conservatives start posting, it just ends up becoming an argument that degenerates into name-calling and becomes completely destructive.

Both sides may be to blame, but nevertheless, that is what inevitably happens (you'll note that's also what tends to happen on most boards that allow both sides, only it happens there much more often and the dialogue is, basically, juvenile).

DU was set up to allow progressives to have discussions among themselves. There are plenty of other places for conservatives and liberals to hash it out. And there are plenty of differences among progressives to keep the moderators busy and tie up all the band width here forever.

It's like someone's house. You are free to welcome whomever you want, and turn away whomever you want.

DU is not a newspaper. It's someone's house.

post here. Democrats pay the funds to allow us to post. Its like my Car, I can put a Kerry sticker on it, but that doesn't mean you can post a Bush sticker as well.

They want to bring the freedom aspect to smear us, but its a simple property deal.

Are you saying we have closed minds? That we aren't progressive thinking?

Yeah, you are a newbie. If you are really interested, just sit back and read the wisdom as it flows onto your screen. Just read for a coupla weeks, then get back to us, once you've been edumacated.

Or, more likely, not.

So if you want to argue for the republicans good luck.

You talk as if DU is the only site available. This is a great site to hit to get away from partisan bickering that happens on more general sites (well, to a degree, anyway - the Kerry people vs. the Dean people actually got pretty damn brutal with each other a few months back, and some of that still lingers). The Dem party includes a really huge range of views, from the most pragmatic/moderate to the farthest left, all of which views can be and are argued here. The purpose of this site if for Dems & leftists to discuss and debate. Allowing righties would be highly distracting and disruptive to that goal. It's not closed-mindedness to protect the purpose of the site from subversion.

I like these sites, both of which welcome the entire political spectrum for discussion:

americanforum.net -- just beware of threads that are moderated by far right-wingers; they'll ignore their own rules and delete lefties' posts sometimes just for kicks, it seems. Annoying, but not unavoidable.

plastic.com -- my hands-down favorite general discussion site, period. It's not strictly political, general culture is the main thing there, but political talk on that site is very well-informed, frank and lively. It has an interesting system of user-moderation, too, derived from slashdot's style.

There's also metafilter, but it's closed to new members. You can read there but not post if you're not enrolled, and that's kinda no fun.

Check those out, see if you enjoy the fray - I sure do! Come back here, though, I think you'll like the discussion and debate that go on at DU, too.

Like the one that says that record deficits are not a good thing?

I have expressed this conservative viewpoint on this site several times without a problem.

You mean the conservative viewpoint championed by Candidate Bush that maybe nation building isn't such a good idea?

That conservative viewpoint?

But for a site that frequently featured by right wing talk radio, it is nice to have a "sanctuary" without having to bitch back at someone who is just posting to make everyone angry. Look at the quality of debate on forums like Slate, it's nice to avoid that when you want to. When in the mood for debate there are countless sites to post on.

claim in the same post to be democrats yet take the repuke side of the debate.. Zell Miller's democrats are a very small group.. like maybe 3 people? I doubt any "Z.M.D." who would post here are actually democrats.

Have a great day!

If you want to give Republican viewpoints, this is a partisan board, and there are plenty of other places you can discuss such matters.

Now that's massive hypocrisy. I went to that conservative site to see first hand some of the characterizations of intolerance I had read about it.

On a FR posting about Gitmo Bay, I posted the Bill of Rights and the US Constitution and I was deleted from the site within 10 minutes.

That tells you something about that conservative site in comparison with this liberal one.

So FreeRepublic has no more use for the Constitution or the Bill of Rights than, say, the American Fascist Movement. Lovely.

I heard on the radio that any conservative viewpoints brought up on this site are banned. Is that true?

What will get you in trouble are obvious attempts to mis-represent an issue.

Like this post:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=1355414&mesg_id=1355414

This is a post by person who thinks the "bad" news about Kerry is not reaching the ears of Kerry supporters.

please. pardon me if I am wrong but somehow I smell an oh-so-innocent attempt to "expose" DU as somehow "closed-minded." Have you tried "discussing" news and politics in the yahoo! messages linked to at the end of every article? Go for it, if you're into being bludgeoned by intellectual dipwads. Personally I prefer to relax here at DU where I know my fellow posters agree with me and each other on the basics of political opinions and we can share news as well as hash out the nuances, outward manifestations, and activist expressions of those opinions.

From the rules, which you agreed to by registering:

We welcome Democrats of all stripes, along with other progressives who will work with us to achieve our shared goals.

This is a "big tent" message board. We welcome a wide range of progressive opinion. You will likely encounter many points of view here that you disagree with.

We ban conservative disruptors who are opposed to the broad goals of this website. If you think overall that George W. Bush is doing a swell job, or if you wish to see Republicans win, or if you are generally supportive of conservative ideals, please do not register to post, as you will likely be banned.

A good liberal one, no doubt, since you're an "unyielding democrat/liberal".

You'll find varying opinions on this site & plenty of controversy. But, generally, hard-core neo-Conservative wingnuts do get banned. Actually, the correct term is "Tombstoned".

Welcome!

If you have an opinion which you support with facts and logic (as opposed to ideology) even though it may sound rightish, we would be glad to hear it.

we share ideas and information from the same perspective. I don't have time to waste arguing with Freepers. If I want to know what they are thinking I go to Free Republic. I don't bother to post, though, because I would be banned-THEY also have rules about posts on their site.

it was the loudest applause of the night!

I think that's for 2 reasons:

1. My viewpoints aren't 100% conservative

2. The times when I do voice an opinion that differs from those most often presented here, I try to do so respectfully, rather than disruptively.

I've found this site to be quite tolerant of differing viewpoints, so long as the presenters of those viewpints remain civil. The posts I've managed to read before they were banned, and those who posted them, have been clearly disruptive and disrespectful.

ass-kisser and blindly worshiped the fool. So this is good news for us that he has changed his mind (or his corporate managers are allowing this verbage)Liberal? Mmmmm...all sorts of conservative viewpoints are brought up. I find it interesting that you describe yourself as "unyielding" and then pride yourself on your open mind in the same paragraph.

When that came on I just kept replaying it with tivo, everybody I showed it to was shocked. I thought I was the only one that picked up on it, I was extremely pissed to say the least! At least I know I should never underestimate the awareness of DU.

I think this is one of many signs that people are ready to "come out"... against Bush, that is. This was a Leno crowd. Not exactly the most progressive show.... in fact, probably a pretty good cross section of the populace. Another post pointed out that a caller on a radio show said the boos were so deafening at a St. Louis Cardinals game Bush attended Monday that they had to pipe in applause. Don't know if that's true, but I tend to believe it.

I think most people have been "supporting" him merely because we're "at war" and that is what you do. They've also been shamed and intimidated into thinking they cannot voice disapproval of the man without being "unpatriotic".

As white-bread as Leno has been, I think things like this are a real sign of the tide turning, and I say "Go Jay!" The more he (and Stern, and Imus, and of course Letterman) call Bush on his crap, the less people will feel like they "need" to support him.

and "asshole" all the time.

gotta show respect...

That's great that he did that. I was hoping someone would pick up on it. Leno does bash both sides, but I'm glad he ran with this one. It shows Bush's arrogance and mean-streak.

I checked both the daily show and letterman to see if they'd do anything with this. Unfortunately, I skipped leno. Oh well.

I didn't get it turned to Hardball fast enough and it was the first joke I heard...NOT HIS first joke, but the one I heard

I just realized after reading this thread how thankful I am that this IS a site for like-minded idea exchange.
I have been posting to various sites on message boards ever since there was an Internet and IMHO, giving dittohead posters free rein is always a recipe for disaster. Things quickly deteriorate, flames take over and intelligent discourse evaporates.
I genuinely enjoy the sense of humour, the common outrage and the sense of comraderie found here.

Thanks
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even just so people know about this arrogant display. Could be very damaging to see him being so petty when all this shit in Iraq is happening.