Air America - "Unfiltered": Gore lost? WTF?

For two days straight one of the women on that show keeps blabbing "Gore lost the election". Today I sent a letter of protest at my2cents@airamerica and got a flippant response:
:"Gore won? Then how comes W is in the White House? I recommended them (response came from a private e-mail) some reading material stressing the importance of knowing that the election was stolen and this illegitimate administration would stop at nothing to retain power.
But I am astounded at the ignorance/hostility displayed here. :WTF:

Gore isn't in the White House DUMBYA is.

Concentrating on that isn't going to get Gore in the WH. This is coming from a fellow Clarkie. The Gore thing is SOOOO over. I'm not bitter about it because it just shows that maybe we can end Jeb's run before he starts. If Daddy Bush sux and his Jr Sux then we know the Eddie Haskel son will surely sux. Maybe this will end the BUSH dynasty!

Can we concentrate on getting Kerry in there now.

Puhleez?

To paraphrase/rewrite --

...'Those who refuse to face the past and figure out what happened are condemned to relive the same DISASTER again'

that Gore had it. We played it easy, Gore's campaign played it easy.

So easy in fact they didn't rally his home state.

We WON'T LET IT HAPPEN AGAIN!!!

Whatever he didn't do during the coup doesn't justify the theft anymore than a woman wearing a short skirt justifies a rape.

own state.

that is simple.

as well as in FL

blah blah

also, lots of vote fraud in tennessee, too

http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=10589

Black voters were told to get behind the white voters. They were told to remove NAACP stickers from their cars, or leave the polling place without voting. "You know what it is to stand at the back of the bus," said one election volunteer.

Some Blacks were intimidated by police standing around polling places. Others stood in lines over a mile long to use ancient punch-card machines on the verge of falling apart. Sometimes, they'd stand for five or six hours. Once, they complained. Minutes later, two police cars came screeching up.

It all sounds like a promo for "Mississippi Burning," or maybe a documentary about egregious civil rights violations in some Deep South backwater fifty years ago.

But it happened in November 2000.

Well, then, it's got to be about Florida. The massive voter disenfranchisement in Florida has gotten some coverage, especially overseas – the people who weren't felons illegally scrubbed from voting rolls, the police roadblocks in Black neighborhoods, the Republican operatives illegally filling out absentee ballots.

But no. All these things – and much, much more – happened in Tennessee.

Danielson was a one woman dynamo on this after the election....lots and lots of stuff on this at TT......mostly ignored, even MOREso than was Florida, if that's possible

I am sorry you miss the point.
Why do you think Kerry is immune to what they did to Gore?
This is not some desire of having Gore in the White House. This is about keeping history straight: the election was stolen, my vote was stolen, if we still think we have a democracy in this country we are delusional.
And NO ONE - not W, not Karl, not anyone tells me to get over it.

Thise who ignore history are bound to repeat it.

I do NOT get over the THEFT OF DEMOCRACY and NEITHER SHOULD YOU.

Scrubbing over 50,000 names from voter registration by a Republican VOTING subcontractor to the State of Florida isn't something you merly "get over".

There stacks of proof that Gore was ripped of,this isn't just a sour grapes thing.

David

Greg Palast, the journalist who first broke the Votescam story, handed this to Gore and his campaign on a silver platter early on in the recount process. Think about it now, you've been handed the means with which to not only win the election, ban the Bushies to the political wilderness forever, and uphold your sworn oath of office. What would you do? Well Gore and his handlers decided to ignore it, sit on the story, and continue their bumbling through the recount process. And bumbling it was. Instead of picking the most logical method of recounting, the one guaranteed to hand him the victory, ie recount the whole damn state, Gore decided to go with the method least likely to succeed, cherry picking a country here, a precint there to recount. Foolishness indeed, and yes, it cost him the election.

Mere foolishness, once again?

Maybe he's waiting till after the convention. Why he'd do that, I have no clue.

yes,

Gore LOST, WE LOST, WE LOST, we didn't fight hard enough, WE LOST.

James Baker went down there and FIXED it. WE LOST.

I've always had to work 3 times as hard to be considered equal. I'm used to having to get over it. IT never makes me tired because I always have to get up and fight the next morning.

Wallowing in it never helped me to pull it together to get up the next day to fight again. That is how I make it everyday.

...you have lost permanently. Is that what you really want to be saying here?

we have to concentrate on what we can do now to beat his ass so we can win without a DOUBT in 2004

and if they manage to screw it again

THen we fight to win...all the way past the surpreme court

If the hosts on AAR say that Gore won what does it change now?

Nothing.

It won't get DUMBYA to pack his bags

WE gotta get Kerry elected.

Just remember: we also got Gore elected.

that must NEVER BE FORGOTTEN

getting to say that Gore won, what is it going to change?

We've got to get our shit together to get Kerry to win Tomorrow.

without forgetting the last election was STOLEN. This is NOT something true patriots EVER get over and yes, if a Democrat had done the same thing I STILL WOULD BE OUTRAGED.

said that Gore Lost

We are YElling and Screaming @ each other.

It is Air America....most of the hosts are Comedians and Actors and Musicians, they are't Political figures.

So if they all say Gore Won what would it change?

I'm not understanding what the whole deal is here.

Randy was yelling @ NAder and everyone hates her now cause she yelled @ him.

so when the hosts are outraged we bash
when they aren't outraged then we bash

COME ON PEOPLE!!!!

Only Chuck D is a musician (and he is OK) - Liz Winstead, Rachel Meadow are political commentators and should know better. If they keep spewing Nader/karl rhetoric, I am cutting their show off my listening.
I love Air America - don't need you to defend them to me. But this is Pacifica type s* that I am not prepared to accept FROM ANY STATION. Check my handle.

Gore won. Air America is wrong. This is not a simple, academic issue.

Half the country thinks that Gore would be the president now if the Supreme Court hadn't stopped the recount (see below). This fact is a huge factor behind the anger that many in this country feel. If Air America wants to succeed, it had better understand this. Getting over the anger is *NOT* the point.

The following describes one of several questions asked by Zogby International about Gore v. Bush ... This poll came out last September.

http://www.voy.com/128178/59.html

"COUNTRY STILL POLARIZED OVER 2000 ELECTION

Perhaps the most intriguing result of the poll was the almost even split on a question never asked of voters before. The poll asked respondents whether they agree or disagree that Gore would have been elected president had all the votes been counted in Florida in 2000. Almost half, 46 percent , agreed, and 48 percent disagreed (again, within the margin of error). A large majority of Democrats (70 percent) and a majority of independents (50 percent) believe Gore would have won had the Supreme Court not intervened."

Anyone who says "Gore Lost" isn't informed about Selection 2000 which will live as a day in all our memories when our country, our voting process and our judicial system failed us.

The "Proof" is what we suffered through since. We don't need more. :-(

stop repeating "Gore lost to the moron from Crawford, with the whole democratic party machine behind him, so Nader was not guilty" TWO F*ing days in a row!
And I don't even give a damn about their Nader opinions.



I JUST WANT THEM TO STOP SAYING GORE LOST!!!!

It changes the unchallenged primise in the media that the 2000 election was legit. I dont think you have any idea how much comfort you give the neo cons when you say things like "we lost get over it". In my neck of the woods that might get you a fat lip as well.

...quite a few posters angry, myself included.

Gore WON the popular vote;

Gore WON the Electoral College only to have it overturned by a conservative-majority SCOTUS based on quite a bit of monkey business at the polls in Florida.

There was also a lot of crap going on in Missouri, Alabama, Mississippi, Tennessee, Georgia, South Carolina, North Carolina, Arkansas, Louisiana, Texas and Virginia.

How about this...we'll tell YOU when the Coup of December 2000 is over.

court right now,
do we need to write letters
contact the ACLU
get an attorney


What is it that we can do now to win the Coup?

I'm ready to participate.

Let's organize and get it together...

If not then lets concentrate on kicking Dumbyas ass in 2004. That is where our focus should be.

NOW. We can't undo what is done

That shouldn't be a reason for someone not to speak their mind

require that everyone say that Gore won and call him Mr. President.

Fine.

I've got my shit together for 2004.

The RW won't steal it from me again.

Fool me once shame on YOU
Fool me twice shame on ME

That's the lesson here!

and to become the basis of a righteous anger to remind us, when all else fails, of why we must do everything in our power to sabotage, stop, slow down and otherwise block any and every thing that this gang of criminals and thugs occupying OUR White House does, and to get our juices flowing to give us the strength to KICK THESE BUMS OUT OF AL GORE'S HOUSE!

Especially if they're higher-up in authority.

It speaks volumes about the laws we create and pretend to hold dear.

we are enduring every single day, the constant assaults on all of our rights, our environment, our jobs, our trust in our government and our futures, our childrens futures, our troops being used in Iraq for a war based on oil and profits for corporations like Halliburton, Bechtel while the Iraqi culture is dissolved into blood and gun powder, and thousands of innocent civilians being killed because of THIS ADMINISTRATION.

Get OVER it?

Get OVER it??

Go to hell.

You want to be spineless and live in total denial, thats your perogative.

Its my vote you are talking about. Its YOUR vote too.

Your devaluing of probably the most significant assault on our Democracy in US history is pretty breath taking, and quite frankly, disgusting.

It is easy to do, I understand and that would explain some things.

Save that e-mail. Check the routing, if you can. Consult with someone who knows something about this stuff (not me).

VERY fishy.

Is Air America even getting our e-mails?

I did not know that Al Gore won the election.
on 4/7/04 12:35 PM, admiral61 at admiral61@cox.net wrote:

I did not know that Al Gore won the election.
George Bush is the current man in the Whitehouse.
I sure thought he won.
I had no idea Al Gore won .

It was strange that there was not any station identification.
I did not keep the original - but this is insulting.

You gave me an idea - I'll send the whole thing to air America to verify

did any of us really want him as president? come on, he was the lesser of two evils and we all know it.

n/t

Gore is a decent, honest, intelligent person. Mr. Bush is none of these.

It is about my vote, the election, democracy. try to get your head from ralph's ass and look beyond his slogans.

THE ELECTION WAS STOLEN

Screw YOU!
Gore WON! Damnit.
Hey Are YOU better off then 4 years ago?
So lie and tell me yeah.
Give me your reasoning why you would say such a thing.
I cant call you what you really are, (see mods, I am being nice.)
Now go back to your home. pm me if you need the URL

I voted FOR him, not against bunkerboy, then, and I wish to God that he was in there these past 3+ years.

None of this crap we are in now would be happening.

We'd still have surplusses, jobs, a growing economy, no 911, no war, no color-coded terror alerts, no "fatherland" department, no anthrax - none of it.

Of that I am positive.

...
oh, the guy who's not ideal in your eyes and doesn't support all of your views and the GREATER of Two EVILS is....the fucking Prince of Darkness?

George W. Bush is the President and he sucks. That's our argument.

...and I'm not going to "get over it" until he's thrown out of the White House.

That's my argument, and I don't give a damn whther you like it or not.

Should we blame Al Gore for the economy and the the war in Iraq?

GWBush sucks - and he is illegitimate too. I'd appreciate you stopping telling me what to think, OK?
You sound like one of thise strategists advising kerry's campaign to delink blogs that the RW doesn't like.

Won and Lost have different definitions to different people, why in the heck are we arguing over this?

For some people winning the presidency means, regardless of how, you became president.

For some cheating is not considered winning.

So lets stop arguing over who won and who lost. We are all on the same team here.

accepted the legitimacy of W. The truth is, W lost the election and was installed as POTUS. NO ONE tricks me into saying any different. How we go about getting rid of the junta is predicated on understanding these facts.

This is not a right wing trick. This is not propaganda.

George W. Bush is the president of the United States. For some people that means he won the election. You dont, that isnt an ideological difference, its a difference in language use, and not one that matters.

He is the president whether you define him as winning or not, that is the issue, and this debate is absolutely worthless.

...bloodless coup that resulted in the NeoCons occupying the centers of power in Washington, DC. To state anything else is to deny what happened in November-December 2000 right before your very eyes.

Junior may be YOUR president, but he means nothing to me, absolutely nothing.

It was an argument Al Sharpton made at the Counter-inauguration on jan 20,2001.
he may have all accoutrements of power, but he stole it nevertheless. And this shall be extremely relevant in November.

...in the first place. The decision by the SCOTUS in December 2000 completed the NeoCon Coup, and the rest is history. The economy is in ruins, the NeoCons have gotten us engaged in two wars in the Middle East, and the NeoCon Junta has turned the international community against us.

And, IMHO, they allowed 911 to happen at the very least, just to get the American people to back up their play for the oil in the Middle East.

we give aid and comfort to the enemy.

especially when they profit so much from that thievery.
perhaps others are more sanguin about having been robbed.

a great number of them.
bush and cheney, for countenancing and leading it, along with two or three dozen who were in the middle of it, should be in prison right now.
that is the truth.

Oh, and the supremes should have been impeached.

Read Vincent Bugliosi's book.

other than complain that Air America Hosts didn't say that Gore won.

I'm happy they are just on the air.

right or wrong are no longer relevant to issue..it's a matter of religious doctrine

She always calls me constantly complaing, constantly about how he is sleeping around, how he always slept around.

I ask her mom, what are you going to do about it? He did it back in the day, you did nothing but complain and complain, you think he is doing it now, and you complain.

WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT, leave him, divorce him, get a boyfriend, a girlfriend, spend all his money, set his cars on fire, what?

I wanna hear your SOLUTIONS not your complaining.

I'm willing to help you do what ever it is you need to do. You want me to yell @ him? Talk to him, Cus him out?

But don't dwell...ACT!!!!!

See where I'm headed. I don't like DRAMA, I like ACTION! That is where fights are won. ACTION not YACKING!!

What is your problem? I have been an activist since December 13, and quite an effective one. I am not your mother, won't get over it and do not need you to tell me what to do - thank you very much.

to do,
You want us to email AAR and demand that they refer to Gore as Mr. PResident and always say he won?>


I'm ready. What email addy did u use post it here, I'll fill their mailbox and email box.


What do you want us to do???????????

That is all I'm asking

What do you want us to do? Let's ACT!!!!!!!!!

:puke:

This particular host (Rachel meadow? Liz Winsted?) uses this to defend Nader ("Gore lost on his own"). I opened my letter to them by saying I have no intention to touch that one - their opinion about Gore, nader is irrelevant to me. I just cannot allow them to change the facts: Gore won the election, they stole it.

Just a few comments re: Nader doesn't reveal much.

Hence the DLC-like rejoinder.

:grr:

on edit: reading the responses to this post, it's finally dawning on me how amazingly prescient Orwell was. bush won, and all that matters is that you shut up and agree. Swell.

OK we've talked:

What are our Take aways? What are our Tasks, Action Points?

What are the Action Items... We as Liberals are great @ complaining but we never get our shit together to do more than that. Is there one issue that we can show our power like the RW does? I Sthis the issue? RobbedVoter are you willing to help me rally as many DUers as we can to load AAR up with letters and phone calls until they yield to our demands to talk and Refer to Gore as PResident Albert Gore 41?


Do you want us all to email Air America and complain and tell them to say that Gore won and they should always say that Gore Won?

Do you want us to all Call Air America and complain and tell them to say that Gore won and they should always say that Gore Won?

Do you want us all to Write and snail mail Air America and complain and tell them to say that Gore won and they should always say that Gore Won?



What do you want us to do ROBBEDVOTER? What?

it's wrong to say "Gore lost" on the airwaves should write my2cents@airamericaradio.com about it.
If you are OK with it, just enjoy the rest of DU/internet.

Have you contacted the dept/officials responsible for implementing HAVA in your state?

Have you contacted your senator / rep re: S.1980 or HR.2239?

Maybe it's not *all* liberals who are just all gripe and no action.

I'm attending meetings on Polling for 2004

Is that good enough for you???

Telling. I simply asked questions, no need to get your panties twisted.

It was your "We as Liberals are great @ complaining but we never get our shit together to do more than that" comment that made me wonder about you, so chill.

on edit: We need those bills on the floor, and we need visibility on this issue. If you aren't hammering Kerry about this then no, you're not doing enough, IMHO. Just MHO so please no biting my head off again.

wieght just like the RW does, a letter writing campaign or something
so let's get to it.

I like action. That is why I wanted to get to the skinny.

I hate that so many I talk to are aware of the dangers but apparently feel so helpless or hopeless or both that they're just pining away.

Letter writing is good, but we need to get on the officials implementing HAVA, contacting them cc: your local elected officials, and start warning them. Some states have already started investigations and even stopped using the machines.

It's really all up to us.

As evidenced by the painful lack of attention to this subject by most elected Dems, we're all we have left.

:cry:

When you refer to Al Gore, please refer to Al Gore as Mr. President, he won the election! The election was stolen by the RW establishment and their operatives. We should not allow that to be lost on the electorate.

If we don't acknowledge it it will happen again. Air America as the ONLY progressive/liberal radio network must help us fight the fight and call attention to this act of stolen democracy.

Air America, you must help the voters understand that the results of the election were a fraud and that they must remember that and take it to the polls in 2004.

Right now we have LESS than SEVEN months to try to implement safeguards.

We need to directly address state elections officials and try to win over the minds of those with the power to do something to prevent any possible ballot tampering.

It's so late, though... I get depressed thinking about it. :(

He clearly isn't doing his job. When is the last time he has held a cabinet meeting? A press conference? What did he do to stop 9-11?

just in the nick of time! ;-)

Randi Rhodes about it. She'll that person straight, whoever it is.

Or can't you take the heat?
Run away, just like your little friends do.
Sissy, DEBATE YOUR POINT!
but you can't, can you?, rush needs to tell you what to think...BAA,BAA,BAA...punk.