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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 08:41 PM
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Okay, so we know what was in the PDB
So the next question is: What orders did Bush give based on the PDB?

Did he instruct anyone on his staff to follow-up? Did he ask for progress reports on the 70 FBI Investigations?

We know what Bush knew AND when he knew it.

Now.....what did he do about it?
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 08:42 PM
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1. What is the PDB and what was in it?
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 08:53 PM
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11. 12 page 8/6/01 President's Daily Brief is released as 1.5 pages
12 page 8/6/01 President's Daily Brief is released as 1.5 pages - WITH NO MEDIA SCREAMING - OR DOES OUR MEDIA PLAN TO SELL THIS AS A FULL RELEASE? The Title was al Qaeda and bin Laden - granted the around the world portion can kill 5 to 6 pages - or more - and thank God it is so much smaller than the morning reading for the lower levels- But the highlight item - the name item - dies in 2 pages?

Sorry, I do not buy it.




If you want to read the PDB (as "redacted") go here: http://www.cnn.com/2004/images/04/10/whitehouse.pdf , or
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/04/10/bush.briefing/index.html

How the Hell is the media justifying the lie that the White House declassified and released Saturday the daily intelligence briefing delivered to President Bush a month before the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, with only portions of the report dealing with Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda network and dated August 6, 2001, having been redacted for national security reasons?

The Damn Brief is never less than 10 to 12 pages and can run to 30 pages.

And these idiots think Folks will accept 1.5 pages as "the brief"?

And the size of the brief is not some secret I am exposing on DU. For God's sake, do folks forget that New York Times printed Burmiller's story of 11/11/2003 that said that the brief was usually 10 to 12 pages - even for the intellectually "incurious" Bush?

Below is the Article
http://www.iht.com/articles/117157.html

CIA brief: Seen by just a few, sought by many
Elisabeth Bumiller NYT Tuesday, November 11, 2003
Bush's daily CIA brief is hot property

WASHINGTON People call it a lot of things: the world's most exclusive newspaper, a supersecret product of the Central Intelligence Agency and a document so sensitive that widespread dissemination would endanger lives.<snip>

Whatever the definition, the document is the innocuously named President's Daily Brief, a 10- to 12-page report produced overnight by the CIA.
In recent weeks, it has become the hottest property in Washington. Two powerful bodies are demanding to see it: the nonpartisan commission investigating the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks and the Senate Intelligence Committee, which is trying to determine how the Bush administration reached its conclusions about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. Negotiations and threats of subpoenas continued last week, but so far the White House has claimed that the PDB, as it is called, is off limits under executive privilege.<snip>

On the outside, the briefing is a blue, three-ring, loose-leaf notebook with "President's Daily Brief" stamped across the top. Inside is what the CIA considers the most important information of the last 24 hours.<snip>



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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 09:26 PM
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18. Was it really 12 pages and less than 20% released ?
Interesting....
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salinen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 08:44 PM
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2. No way can they claim inexperience
Rummy, Cheney, Ashcroft, Powell, have been around forever.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 08:44 PM
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3. Excellent question ewagner, as usual....
Perhaps the Commission will ask those questions of their witnesses this week?
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 08:48 PM
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7. I hope so, although
I'm afraid the Commission will ask Dubya and Cheney in private and take their non-answer-answers as gospel and drop it.

Tenet has a lot of explaining to do.

So does that guy who was acting Director of the FBI (can't remember his name)

So does Louie Freeh

So does Ashcroft. ESPECIALLY ASHCROFT......
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 08:45 PM
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4. Did the CIA originate it?
That's also critically important. Somewhere in here somebody posted Tenet's testimony about the fact that Bush DID NOT request this PDB, that it orginated from the CIA. That is a WARNING, and also means Condi lied under oath.
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 08:52 PM
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10. Yes CIA originated:
BEN VENISTE:
Let me pick up on, since my colleague, Senator Kerrey, raised the question -- with respect to the PDB of August 8, 2001, Dr. Rice has made some statements to us and, to some extent, publicly with respect to the origin of that document.

Is it fair to say that the recollection of CIA, which we have received in a written document from your office, contains a different recollection -- that that August 8th PDB was initiated by individuals within the CIA and not as a direct request from the national security adviser?

TENET:
I simply don't know. I don't know what we've responded or what the origin is. I just don't know.

BEN-VENISTE:
You might ask Mr. Bonk (ph) who is sitting behind you.
It is correct that we had received a document from you dated March 19th, 2004, in which that correction is noted?

TENET:
Would you like Mr. Bonk (ph) to respond?

BEN-VENISTE:
Well, he can whisper in your ear.
So that the record is correct on this point, since it was raised by Senator Kerrey, I think it's appropriate that we have been advised that the August 6th PDB was the product of individuals within CIA without prompting from national security...

(CROSSTALK)

TENET:
Commissioner Ben-Veniste, Ben only has a recollection. Let me come back for the record. I'll go back and look at this. I just don't...

BEN-VENISTE:
Well, I'll read into the record.
The author of this piece and others familiar with it say they have no information to suggest that this piece was written in response to a question from the president. And indeed, it goes on to say that it was prompted by an idea from the CIA.

So we have these clarifications and it's appropriate that the record be as accurate as possible.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 11:12 PM
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19. That makes it a warning
And if it wasn't a warning, there was no reason for Bush to do anything in particular. It's a very, very, very important piece of the puzzle.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 08:47 PM
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5. that's what David Gregory asked this evening...
....after reporting on MSNBC. What was done about the info in the PDB?

Unfortunately, no questions can be asked of WH officials by the commission, due to the bargain they made.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 08:48 PM
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6. Exactly. Now we know they knew. WHAT did they do about it?
According to Gorelick, the FBI was not on alert. Norman Minetta didn't know. Head of FAA didn't know. So WHAT did they do?

They got bush & Cheney out of town for the duration.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 08:51 PM
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8. Bush Inc. didn't do a f***ing thing
that is why they've been stonewalling the 9/11 investigation, that's why they didn't want Condoleezza to testify - that's why they won't release the Clinton papers (the differences in reaction to terrorist threats between the two administrations are staggering). As for our so-called "free press", they have been complicit in the coverup from the start.
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 08:56 PM
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13. Three words:
Process
Process
Process

I'm pretty sure you're right. They did nothing. But it won't become an issue until the process puts it in the record as an irrefutable fact.

As maddening as it is....we have to go through the process.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 09:01 PM
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15. Three more words:
Stem Cell Research. Remember how he spent his vacation "agonizing" over the stem cell research issue? THAT was the big news and the hallmark coming out of that lovely month-long vacation.
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 09:10 PM
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17. Forgot about that!
Edited on Sat Apr-10-04 09:11 PM by ewagner
I was on the road a lot during that time....forgot much about what was being discussed.....except this:

On the morning of 9/11 I was heading into work (late as usual) and listened to NPR new.....they were discussing that Rummy on Monday declared WAR! ON THE PENTAGON! He had announced that the pentagon was a wasteful place and he was going to clean it up.

I laughed about it but by the time I got to the parking lot at work, a caller to the Tom Clarke Show on Wisconsin PUblic Radio breathlessly announced that a plane had flown into the World Trade Center. I listened while the first reports came in and then went into the office for my daily bite of the sh*t sandwich.

Point is..........nobody was focused on "terra" in those September days......

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mouse7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 08:51 PM
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9. Washington and NYC were named in the PDB
Why weren't fighters put on increased alert status at the air bases closest to NYC and DC? Why no anti-aircraft systems put into place by either city?

The PDB specifically named hijackings. They knew they would need armed fighter planes on alert to deal with that threat. It's standaard operating procedure to send up armed fighter to shadow hijacked planes. The only way there is no fighters on alert outside NYC and DC is if someone specifically doesn't want it to happen.

It's LIHOP. It can't be denied any more.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 08:53 PM
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12. It makes Bush's 9/11 behavior more inexplicable than ever
When he was told the first plane had hit (PRIOR to entering the classroom to read a book about a goat), why didn't he realize that the PBD must have come true and take action that might have prevented the other crashes?

http://www.takebackthemedia.com/true911.html

:headbang:
rocknation
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 08:59 PM
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14. Makes it completely explicable:
He was playing the fool. Didn't have to work very hard at that, you understand, as he genuinely is one.

As Documented On the White House Web Site, BUSH SAID:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/01/20020105-3.html

Anyway, I was sitting there, and my Chief of Staff -- well, first of all, when we walked into the classroom, I had seen this plane fly into the first building. There was a TV set on. And you know, I thought it was pilot error and I was amazed that anybody could make such a terrible mistake. And something was wrong with the plane, or -- anyway, I'm sitting there, listening to the briefing, and Andy Card came and said, "America is under attack."

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/12/20011204-17.html
I was sitting outside the classroom waiting to go in, and I saw an airplane hit the tower - the TV was obviously on. And I used to fly, myself, and I said, well, there's one terrible pilot. I said, it must have been a horrible accident. But I was whisked off there, I didn't have much time to think about it.

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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 09:04 PM
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16. Man, I just realized that, too.
So, thus armed with all kinds of heads-up, he SITS THERE and reads a book about a goat.

It clicked in with plenty of other people. Including George Tenet, apparently. It clicked in with a lot of us here, too, that - uh-oh, this looks like a hijacking! Probably Osama! I mean, I thought that as I watched the smoke billowing from the first tower.

He was warned. AND HE SAT THERE AND DID NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Once again! RED ALERT FOR MONDAY MORNING!!!

Please note, here, The World's Greatest Lists of Media Contacts - not one but TWO of 'em - in the following thread:

LINK:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1380003

GOTTA make a stink about this!
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 11:19 PM
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20. We only know the parts they want us to know. You know?
The White House knows every word on these one and one half pages and they will be spinning the shit out of this come tomorrow morning. They will have their attack dogs out there and Clinton will probably take most of the blame.
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Waverley_Hills_Hiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 11:30 PM
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21. this is the crux of the matter...follow-through & follow-up.
I think you are right on target on this.
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