Right-Wingers Must Not Have the Irony Gene

I've been monitoring several strings on Free Republic about the Iraqi insurgency, and a dominant theme in all of their posts is how we should "kill them all" or "crush the insurgents", etc. Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't they advocating that we do the exact same thing to Iraqis that Saddam did? Because there's been no WMD, the entire reason for this invasion was to get rid of a brutal dictator, and now they're saying that we should assume the role of a brutal dictator?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1115146/posts

I seem the recall that they all said that it didn't matter that Bush lied about the WMDs, we were right to invade Iraq to "liberate" the very same people they now want to exterminate.

Imagine what your mind becomes after listening to Rush Limbaugh (among others) whore for the whole spectrum of the rightwing side of the corporate party's agenda everyday, and then go to the intellectual-diversity vaccum that is free republic.

Imagine how succeptible they are to doublethink. It's practically a way of life.

these are people who don't give a shit about oppression in AMERICA yet they supposedly cared about "liberating Iraq"? Rightwingers ONLY CARE ABOUT THEMSELVES AND THEIR POWER. It's got NOTHING to do with anyone who isn't LIKE THEM.

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If these are the same posters who thought it was a good idea to save the Iraqis from oppression, they must have multiple personalities.

I think that there is a lot of mental illness on display at right-wing forums.

Nope. Just simple self-interest, xenophobia and basic attempts to rationalize that which lurks within them and they do not want to admit. Face it, we have never been dealing with a real sense of values and morals in the case of the Freepers and NeoCons. Just "greed is good", "my way or the hi-way" and "there ain't enough room for the both of us here."

Trying to understand, accept, deconstruct, etc., people who basically are just self-serving, and little more, is probably poignant, but also probably pointless. Instead, recognize these people as standing firmly against what we are, believe, feel and fight for. They are simply so far outside the circle that we cannot connect. They need to come in out from the cold. Then we can offer them comfort and civilization.

All of nature is in constant flux, evolving, adapting, growing, dying. It's never the same from one moment to the next. Desperately grabbing hold of one place in time, one ideology, one way of looking at things, and attempting to stay in that place at all costs is a perversion of the natural processes of life. It simply can't be done.

That's why the "neo"Cons' story is always changing. Since they refuse to flow with the genuine changes of life and nature, they are forced to change the rationale for their stasis instead.

And given the accelerating rate of change the world has experienced over the past 100 years, I suspect they must be approaching a breaking point. They have to hop to new sets of rationalizations faster and faster. Eventually, they will be unable to keep up. Like a surfer trying to dominate a giant wave, rather than ride it and work with its power, they eventually must wipe out.

And this accelerating rate of change affects all of us. It's almost impossible to keep up with it. Back in the 1700s it was still possible to be a Renaissance thinker, an expert in many different fields. Not anymore. It takes a Ph.D just to get a grasp of physics today, and years of working in that field to produce new theories and ideas. This is because the extent of our knowledge is now so vast that one individual can no longer grasp it.

And I love the surfing analogy. I used that in a book I wrote (unpublished, but still trying). I think it's a good metaphor for what's happening in society. Unfortunately, though, I think a lot more people than just the "neo"Cons are going to wipe out before it's all finished. :(

It will affect us all. High energy technology based civilization may not prove to be an enduring phase of human development.

The illusion is that we as a people and individuals can dominate experience .... change the shape and direction of the wave, if you will. But that never works.

This is the error of the neo-conservatives, who base their philosophy on Strauss, who in turn "decoded" Plato in some bizarre fashion. But Plato had no concept of chaos, the study of turbulent behavior emergent in complex non-linear systems. Platonic thought is, at this point in our history, an absurdly inadequate means by which to approach our creations, our impact on nature, or our relationships economically or politically.

I think I would really like to read your book, and so I am hoping for success with the publishers. BB

But thanks for the good wishes. I hope you get to read the book some day, too. ;)

The Earth has limited resources. Basing all of our existence on one that is running out is probably not a very smart idea.

The primary irony about laissez-faire is that, while promising progress through competition, what it actually produces is devastation through monomania. We can't base our society on pure economic considerations. When making money is the only thing deemed worthwhile, we stifle our creative thinking and close all other doors to solving the very real problems we've brought upon ourselves.

And while the natural world may be a relatively dangerous place, the fact is that the worst of our problems we created on our own.

They believe whatever the leadership tells them (as long as it is what they want to hear), they believe their cause is always noble, and they will do whatever they can to whore themselves out to those in power.

Don't try to point out the ironies in their conflicting statements.

They can't be held accountable for their opinions. It's not like they formed them themselves...

it wasn't about oil
or WMDs

it was about the poor Iraqi people in the evil clutches of Saddam.

I remember when the freepers accused us of being insensitive to the Iraqis. I love it when they try the moral high ground thing.. it smacks of insincerity & it always comes out in the wash eventually.

heh. Kill 'em all.