Wow...this site a hard hitting....

http://empirewatch.org/index.html

Extremely controversial IMHO.

That is rough!

Ten to one it's a Repub op geared to make the anti war movement look bad. Expect to see that site mentioned by the talking heads...

n/t

Some of us recognize this pattern of agitation from GOP operatives over the last three or four decades.

then it could be said that DU is a massive GOP "conspiracy" as well.
We need to let go of the paranoia and accept that some people are
VERY vociferous.

Here's the about page:
http://empirewatch.org/pages/about.html

There are Repubs who post on DU to make us look more extreme, so Boortz and his ilk can run us down.

I thought the Empirewatch page was Republican, too, for the same reason. Might not be, but it's Rove's style. He loves ironic slanders, like his attempt to give Gore Bush's debate tapes, so he could claim Gore stole them, thus mirroring the Reagan scandal. He did the same thing in a gubernatorial race here in Texas a couple decades ago-- he bugged his own office, then blamed it on the Democrats, to make it look like Watergate. The FBI saw through it and he almost got arrested.

That's his style.

Those who ignore this tactic are setting themselves (and others) up to fall for their techniques.

I would have to agree that it fits the pattern. Point - anti war folks that focus on images of the ravages of war to make their point... thought provoking, heart wrenching, etc. However on this about us page - picture of dead US Soldier, body in a crowd (subtle image suggestion after the Fallujia incident being that the body may about to be desecrated). Very different message and tactics. Crosses into the line of pattern of behavior that fits with agitation - not stating that it is - but that it very well could be.

but I have my doubts that its a right-wing con job. I think anti-war,
anti-shrub organizations need to be as aggressive as the people that
are clamping down on our freedoms. We need to fight back with the
power of the written word. If that fails...then well, they brought
it upon themselves, no?

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check out the article at the bottom of the page. The contributor is the same as the one on the site about the Sears Tower (mentioned in the Chicago Sears Tower and April 19th thread).

This is what needs to be said!

"we can NOT & will NOT be afraid nor ashamed to state publicly that we support the ARMED RESISTANCE by the Iraqi people... This means we support their attacks upon the “tool” of the murdering liars & known as the U.S. military!"

Needs some grammatical support, however....

it's funded by stormfront

Where does it say that Stormfront has anything to do with this site?

:shrug:

doesn'have anything good or truthful to say. it's good at race bashing.

I doubt stormfront would list "pro race-mixing" as one of its tenets. I understand that some might take exception at the site's anti-Zionist stance, however.

No group that supports the kinds of activities listed on this webpage would EVER be funded by Stormfront.

<http://empirewatch.org/pages/about.html>

Very powerful site.

:7

Gimme a ring sometime; you're a hoot...

anti-U.S.A.
anti-Zionism
anti-Israel
anti-Federal Government
anti-Military
anti-Police

Well ain't that just a jolly bunch!
Associating yourself with this site is just--unacceptable.

why don't you post the "Pros" and "Cons" TOGETHER...? :eyes:

what we are:
the pros:
pro-America the cons:
anti-U.S.A.
pro-Humanity anti-Zionism
pro-Education anti-Israel
pro-Small Business anti-War
pro-Environment anti-Drug War
pro-Local, City & State Government anti-Federal Government
pro-Labor anti-Global Corporations
pro-Women’s Right to Choice anti-Corporate Media
pro-Peace anti-Military
pro-Truth anti-Police
pro-Race Mixing
pro-Emergency Services

the cons:
anti-U.S.A.
anti-Zionism
anti-Israel
anti-Federal Government
anti-Military
anti-Police

They're set in such a way that you can understand WHY they are
"anti-USA" but "pro America".
Nice try at censorship... :eyes:

who are just now getting their feet wet in politics the past few years...and who think Kerry is actually a liberal...this site would would strike fear and panic into moderates.

This site is for the extremely progressive (as I know I am) and very liberal people such as Mike Malloy, Meria Heller and Peter Werbe, I think they would feel right at home on this site...as well as many hardcore union people, who have fought for decades for workers rights, workers safety, fair wages and decent health benefits...

That the corporations (republicans) have all but made disappear.

(I bookmarked it immediately, moderates...it would never cross their mind to bookmark this site, and they will always be on the fence).

and I'm glad that the website has proven useful to you.

The thing that I am trying to advocate is that we, THE PEOPLE, need
to think outside the corral that both political parties have made
for us.
We, THE PEOPLE, are the ones that should be in charge of this nation.
We, THE PEOPLE, need to make the hard questions and make these
people accountable.

I don't appreciate when people here at DU question what my positions
are or when they accuse me of being an "utopian idealist". I am NOT
willing to trade one asshole for another just because he belongs
to a labelled party. NEITHER party truly represent us. NEITHER party
truly represents the U.S. Its in the ACTIONS of presidents that
we know whether or not we have made a correct choice...and not in
their election promises.

We have to be alert. We have to scrutinize. We have an OBLIGATION to
QUESTION what is being done in OUR NAME.



on edit: spelling.

Zin gets to decide whether or not Kerry is liberal, determine what scares moderates, and speak for Mike Malloy, Maria Heller, and Peter Werbe not to mention Union leadership.

The only thing that bothered me about the site is that it's just plain dumb--the kind of Target Brand radicalism and I-just-took-my-first-poly-sci-class worldview so often espoused here by a few of the self-described "progressives" DU.

"Show me a line in the dirt" Bwahhaahaha.

I don't doubt you immediately bookmarked it.

is the "anti-Israel" part. :eyes: Interesting how the usual crowd
pops up "en masse".

Please, enlighten me.

You know, the personal attack where you claimed that 'all I care about is Israel.'

you'd better take a chill pill.

The poster claimed 'all I care about is Israel.' Patently false.

Women and children must die for bush freedom to prevail. What's happening in Iraq, right now, is a crime against humanity. Those responsible will eventually have to answer for it. I saw Kissinger on CNN talking about Iraq is not Vietnam: There are no dominos he said and many more casualties were taken. I swear those were his supporting arguments. Stick around for awhile henry and even with Cambodia under your belt you get shocked. "Saudi" Arabia not a domino? Egypt? Pakistan? There's the potential for all hell to break loose. The wiseguys in the WH will have to blame Clinton (again)

MIM: Maoist International Movement:

http://www.etext.org/Politics/MIM/rail/index.html

The Revolutionary Anti-Imperialist League (RAIL) is a mass organization of anti-imperialists led by the Maoist Internationalist Movement (MIM). RAIL is for anyone who supports self-determination for all peoples including the necessity of armed struggle against imperialism. The only requirement for joining RAIL is the recognition that RAIL will be led by MIM. RAIL members should not attempt to conceal this fact when working amongst the masses. In practice, accepting MIM leadership will mean that RAIL chapters do not accept the leadership of other organizations or worked out lines.


It sounds like some stuff some of those folks said last year at anti war rallies here in St Louis.

seriously

The left hasn't done anything to harm this country. I have my quibbles with some - but its a much better place to to be than wrapped in the flag - which truely is the last refuge of the scoundrel. The sight of gwb glad-handing soldiers and firemen, hearing him quoting MLK or JFK as he was doing today, turns my stomach. Our policy vis zionism is skewed. The federal government is in collusion with "indispensible" mega-corporations that could not stand on their own. Our treasury is all that stands between them and abject failure. As far as the police and the military go.. if you're the typical bushie - you should pick another topic. Jon Stewart said it best "If only bush could have had his Vietnam during Vietnam".

Click on "About," under 'Who we are':
You'll see 'anti-Israel' and 'anti-Police.'

interesting that you continue to show that its "anti-Israel" and
"anti-police"....
Peculiar.

controversial, yes

is the U.S. 14 for 14 ?

http://empirewatch.org/pages/_archives/fascism/pages/14_symptoms.html

01. Powerful & Continuing Nationalism
Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

03. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment
Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.

14. Fraudulent Elections ...

"Freedom Haters" As if people who oppose cheneybush hate freedom
"Evil Doers" He must practice in front of a mirror
"Freedom is a gift of God" total rubish - ask a vet
"Sacrifice" Shut my mouth - I meant taxcuts for my crony oil buddies

or the german occupiers my freind put this question to me esp since my fathers an active duty cause he loves to question people (hes gonna wind up with his ass kicked all the time cause people dont like to think) any way i told him i do think this occupation/war is illeagal and unjust and do think the iraqis have the right to defend themselves but to a certain extent i also told him i wish my father would go awol so he would be outtta harms way and didnt take part in this unjust occupation.I said i would 100 percent support the iraqi "intifada" if it were only the war hawks and occupation hawk fighting

This is the quandary that our soldiers are facing daily. The situation is becoming very clear as a full scale civil war emerges. We don't belong here. You only have to look at the mess in Palestine to realize how dirty this can get. Already Blackstone and contractors are stepping in to do the "wet work" and campaign political hacks are managing the generals - just as they managed NASA for Challenger and Columbia. They made Challenger launch in weather that was too cold and the seal burst on the SRB killing the teacher that "just had to be in orbit" for Reagan's SOU that night. In the case of Columbia they overruled engineers who wanted to retask telescopes and satellite resources to examine possible damage. What does Senor have in store for the Iraq war.

but singling out Israel is telling and unfortunate and could be improved on by singling out Sharonistas.

The same for the anti-USA con. Too broad and encompassing. You can't be against yourself...that is, unless, you're not a USA group.

I am new here myself and so far have enjoyed the wild political expression. My instincts tell me that the right and the left meet at their extremes - polemic meets polemic. Clinton supporters are here with more centrist views. I am where Marxism sounds like trickle down economics with a left spin rather than right, like toilets in different hemispheres. bush and cheney occupy the imaginary position of President and Vice President of the United States Supreme Court. The throne is out back if you're visiting Washington. Its a too-holier than thou. The Constitution is written in plan english not latin. President Gore will be succeeded by President John Kerry

Kinda weird, neh? Starts off with a statement of support for the iraqi armed resistance and call for relatives of US soldiers to recognize they are complicit in war crimes or whatever, then segues immediately below that to a blurb about "Connecting the Dots of Yellowstone: investigation of Yellowstone reveals disturbing recent events" blah blah blah, gonna blow up soon, and yeah I saw the Discovery Channel thing too.

Just on the surface that seems a trifle, well, unfocused shall we say? And overall rhetoric all too reminiscent of a Spartacist tract circa 1973 or thereabouts.

I'd say you'd be wasting a lot less time reading empirenotes instead.

where's the link to the Yellowstone dots?

is it even real? or is it some repukes making us look bad?