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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-12-04 05:30 PM
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Those mercenaries were SENT TO DIE by the CIA.... Uh oh...
Helvenston was allegedly part of a security detail accompanying a food convoy, but witnesses have made no mention of any food convoy. The only vehicles involved in the incident were the two SUVs carrying the four soldiers-of-fortune. According to the Washington Post, the foursome "were in the dangerous Sunni Triangle area operating under more hazardous conditions - unarmored cars with no apparent backup - than the U.S. military or the CIA permit." A Los Angeles Times report held that the "victims were in two sport utility vehicles driving through the center of Fallouja's commercial district about 9:30 a.m." The rocket-propelled grenade attack occurred, according to the Times, while the vehicles were "stopped at an intersection" in what was described as an "anti-American stronghold."


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One might be tempted to conclude, based on such reports, that Helvenston and his team were sent on a suicide mission, albeit not necessarily knowingly. It is difficult to imagine, after all, that there is any reasonable explanation for why four American mercenaries would be stopped at an intersection, in broad daylight, in unarmored vehicles, in the center of a city that is a hotbed of anti-American sentiment, in the very neighborhood where fresh Iraqi blood was on the ground. The only thing missing, it would seem, were the "Fuck Allah" signs on the sides of the vehicles.

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The Washington Post reported that U.S. officials "suspect that the men were not victims of a random ambush but were set up as targets, which one defense official said suggested 'a higher degree of organization and sophistication' among insurgents." But was it really the Iraqi insurgents who set the men up as targets? Did the people of Fallujah lure the hired guns into the center of the city, or were they deliberately sent there?

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Another article in the same issue of Time complained that, "Even by Pentagon standards, military officials were fuzzy about the exact nature of the Blackwater mission; several officers privately disputed the idea that the team was escorting a food convoy." Chris Bertelli, a spokesman for Blackwater, was quoted as saying, "We don't know what they were doing on the road at that time."

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the rest of an article that will push you over the edge: http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr58.html
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-12-04 05:35 PM
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1. I said this was a set up right after it happened.
Although no one seemed to agree or care. Those guys were sacrificed to give us an excuse to renew bombing in Fallujah which wasn't cooperating with us and never would.
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-12-04 05:37 PM
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2. TRUE, AND, in order to manufacture reasons to CONTINUE iraqi occupation
beyond the mythical deadline of June...

That, in and of itself is the basis for these guys getting murdered.

You MUST MUST MUST read the WHOLE ARTICLE.
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Amerpie Donating Member (380 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-12-04 05:39 PM
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4. Thankfully
I'm so glad that someone continued to press Blackwater and the government on this. There were way too many unanswered questions.
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Insider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-12-04 05:47 PM
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7. same here, MrSlayer
posted questions and opinions on many threads. it just did not add up.
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RapidCreek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-12-04 05:54 PM
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9. I agree
and I thought the same myself. That's the sort of thing the CIA is for. As Rumsfeld has said over and over again....all the guys in the CIA can't be good guys....which stands to reason as the CIA does not always employ the methods of good guys.

RC
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 09:13 AM
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14. Mercenaries are worthless shitbags, never forget it's to PROFIT
IN WAR that OUR TAXES get paid to them and they cause DEATH to PROFIT because that's who they serve as employee's, not patriots DEFENDING their home and family thus increasing the danger to all Americans-especially our MISLED AND ABUSED US MILITARY FORCES IN IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN.

Follow the money. Follow PNAC.

Campaign Contributions of Post-War Contractors
http://www.publicintegrity.org/wow/resources.aspx?act=contrib
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 12:28 PM
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18. But then who decided to mutilate and display the bodies?
you can only take this speculation so far.
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worldgonekrazy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-12-04 05:38 PM
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3. Wow
You know, I said to myself the day it happened "what the hell were these guys doing unarmed in such a dangerous place?" You may be on to something here.
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-12-04 05:40 PM
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5. You MUST read the WHOLE article, note the footnotes as well.
as he sources prominant national media to pull all the elements of the story together.

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mhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-12-04 05:46 PM
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6. Very Interesting - More To The Story Than Meets The Eye
eom
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-12-04 05:51 PM
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8. The NYTimes had an article last week
It was probably either Thurs. or Fri...I read it from the paper, not online.

the head of Blackwater said that the men had made a deal with a guy in Falluja to guarantee them a route through the city (this was supposedly for the food convoy.)

But, apparently, the guy they negotiated with had set them up because they met with a roadblock, at which point they were attacked.

This still doesn't explain what they were doing in the area after ten days of marine attacks on the city.

Has the fourth person in the car ever been identified?
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TeeYiYi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-12-04 10:16 PM
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10. kick
TYY :kick:
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 08:33 AM
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11. kicked for morning crew..
read read read.
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ellie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 08:50 AM
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12. My brother
is a former special forces officer. Twice a year he goes to Blackwater to "train" people, and it isn't in how to conduct a food convoy. He told my mom (I am not close to him and can't interrogate him) that these people are paid by the CIA, are special forces people themselves, and that he doesn't understand why they were in the city like that. He also insisted on calling them contractors, correcting my mom when she called them mercenaries. Denial ain't a river in Egypt.
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Beaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 08:58 AM
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13. i HATE the term "civilian contractors" that they keep using-
it makes it sound more like they're over there doing remodelling/repair work, or pouring concrete for sidewalks...
they need to start calling these guys what they are: mercenaries and guns for hire.
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 09:19 AM
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15. Perhaps they got lost?
It could be that they just made a wrong turn somewhere. With all the traffic and vehicles moving around the country, surely someone occasionally reads a map incorrectly.

Usually the consequences aren't so severe.

Just a thought.

Sid
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sistersofmercy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 09:26 AM
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16. That's pretty much what I was thinking from the beginning
and I'm sure that it will become the official story anyway.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 12:24 PM
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17. They have GPS data in real time, if they get lost they have insurance
for their high-priced mercenary asses, they are marketed as elite commandos with state of the art leading edge tech, hired to provide security to their customer-most of them can't do their job right then.
http://www.theexperiment.org/articles.php?news_id=1884

They are part of PNAC
http://www.newamericancentury.org/

not loyal or sworn to our Constitution nor any laws-just follow the money with these fucking hot-dogs, they would work for Osama bin-Laden for the right price, some of them are extreme RW neo-nazis and racist criminals and pathological cases used to spread terror, not fight it!
http://www.thegrenadarevolutiononline.com/page17a.html
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