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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 08:26 AM
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Stern is ON FIRE this morning!
I'm shocked...one of the best political discussions in ages, precisely because he is talking like a REAL PERSON and not a wonk. John Favreaux of Dinner For Five is the guest. He said he is "reserving judgement" on who he'll vote for, and said Kerry scares him...and proceeded to mention a couple things from Bush's ad. "Where do you get your information, Fox news?" said Stern. "That's all bs! They're lying to you!"

He asked Favreaux why he supports Bush again. "Okay, tell me...do you support stem cell research?"

"Well, yes, I do..."

"Do you have kids? Do you want a clean environment?"

"Of course I do, but..."

"Bush has rolled back all the Clinton anti-pollution laws and is allowing POISONS to be pumped into the air... you say you love kids, but you want to pump poison into the air?"

"But...there is research on both sides..."

He went point by point, and Favreaux could not come up with ONE THING he agrees with Bush on...but is reserving judgement. He thinks Kerry is "scary."

Man, it was at once great and educational (in how to deal with a Bush supporter you know) but also very scary. This is a supposedly educated guy whose career would be directly affected by Bush, who clearly demonstrated he knew NOTHING about Bush, but was going to support him because Kerry was "scary."

Yikes.

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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 08:29 AM
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1. I thought Stern was kicked off the air waves?
What am I missing?
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Loonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 08:30 AM
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3. Clear Channel, only
6 markets.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 08:31 AM
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4. Only Clear Channel
His show is still on other stations.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 08:31 AM
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5. not all stations... just some
And he's still got his TV Show. ;-)
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 11:40 AM
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42. Thank you all for the information
I'll catch Howard tomorrow morning if someone will be kind enough to give me a link.
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 08:29 AM
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2. Good for Stern!
It's not like he's got a radio show to lose anymore!
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Loonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 08:32 AM
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6. Is he that dork that was in "Swingers"?
The phone message fool?
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Spirochete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 08:41 AM
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14. Yeah, that was him
He's done several movies with fellow freeper Vince Vaughn, I believe.
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Killarney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 09:10 AM
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26. Vince Vaughn is a Republican?
Ugh, I'm heartbroken.

Dammit.
:(
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skypilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 09:17 AM
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27. That must be why he's so convincing...
...playing assholes and psychos.
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Spirochete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 10:50 AM
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38. Yeah, he's pretty good
I liked the ones he made with Joaquin Phoenix - Clay Pigeons and Return to Paradise.
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 09:41 AM
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28. Ugh, Me Too
I loved Swingers and Made - Faverau did both those screen plays, Swingers for sure.
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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 12:34 PM
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47. I knew I hated that movie for a reason....
I couldn't put my finger on it, but I found them both so incredibly annoying, I couldn't get through the film.

Typical Repukes.
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 09:43 AM
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29. That Dork Wrote Swingers
which was a funny funny movie - and I thought republican's weren't funny.
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bagnana Donating Member (858 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 10:40 AM
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37. I can't believe Favreau and Vaughn are repubs.
boo. I loved swingers. I saw Favreau on the Bill Maher show a while back and was shocked at his pro-war stance. Thought it was just a single issue, but turns out he is an ignorant a-hole repub.
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 08:33 AM
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7. of course Kerry is "scary".... He's got a brain and he uses it.
a massive intellect is always scary to ignoramuses.

This is BTW the latest slogan by way of juvenilia: "John Skerry"- he's scary. What a pathetic bunch of manure these guys are trying to push. I can't think of anything more scary than 4 more years of this imbecilic religious fanatic Bush.
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Missy Vixen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 08:36 AM
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8. Howard Stern now loves Bill Clinton
Howard just spent the past five minutes singing the praises of Bill Clinton. Did Hell just freeze over?

His other topic: John Ashcroft.

He's on fire this morning.

Julie
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tigereye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 08:39 AM
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11.  Stern always seemed mostly a self-seving goon to me
despite what his real politics may be, but if he is after * et al for whatever reasons, so be it. :)
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 09:54 AM
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30. Actually, Stern thought Clinton was good, except
For not sticking up for him in regards to the FCC. He even thought Clinton worked so hard in the WH that we shouldn't get all upset over his relieving stress through getting a B/J...

(he's been critical of Bush's vacations since the beginning...)
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powergirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 08:37 AM
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9. STERN GAVE A GREAT MONOLOGUE AT THE BEGINNING
of his program. He made the following GREAT POINTS


1. Bush is not "working" on his vacations. Anyone who "works from home" knows that it's tv watching and nap taking time.

2. Bush considers himself a great leader because he delegates every task to "trusted advisors." Stern suggested that Bush delegate the brush clearing and nature trail building ranch tasks to a GARDENER and get is butt back to DC to work.

3. He said that Clinton was the absolute best economist and Statesman this country has had for a century and the economy was NEVER BETTER and our international reputation was FANTASTIC

4. He actually said the war in Iraq is bogus and that we are detracting resources from the war in Afghanistan.

5. He also commented that Ashcroft who doesn't dance and sings (but refuses to sway while singing) spends all of his time investigating porno and cracking down on Victoria's secret fashion shows instead of protecting the country from terror.


It was great and I hope people take note!!!!
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DrBB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 08:37 AM
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10. Candidate 'N' is "Scary"--default Replicant campaign strategy
What they use when they really have nothing left. Remember how McCain was, you know, known to be secretly kinda unbalanced--nothing we'd want to talk about in public, y'unnerstan, just y'know, a great hero and all that, but word is his POW experiences left him a little.... And of course it's understandable, we should be compassionate, 'n' all that, but if the guy's running for Preznit, well, that's different.

Etc etc etc.

Pretty early in the campaign to be down to that, but hey, look what's happening in Iraq and in the 9/11 commission.
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 10:16 AM
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32. That's exactly what they tried to do to Granholm in Michigan....
"She's too risky".
"She's scary."

Nothing to substantiate it, just spreading vague disprovable
fear, uncertainty, and doubt.

Why they insist on killing Democracy by a thousand cuts I don't
know.
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tinanator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 10:33 AM
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35. NOW THERES AN AVATAR!!!!!!
I wish I could post that right next to Malcolm!
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 08:39 AM
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12. Those Bush attack ads are working.
The lies are being repeated and being passed on to others. The best way to attack this is to show the public that Bush LIES all the time. Those reports he has to support his position are stacked with ideological conclusions with no real science behind them.
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Brotherjohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 08:55 AM
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19. Yes, I saw them again this morning and thought "Kerry doesn't have the $$
... to counter this every day. But they are on EVERY DAY!

"900 MILLION DOLLARS!" "IN HIS FIRST 100 DAYS!!"

Stark white letters on a black screen.

This is as much fear-mongering as the terror ads. They might as well show Kerry as a criminal coming into your house to rob you.

No regularly aired messages to counter it pointing out things like, well first, how the numbers are a lie.

Or even simply saying that the alleged "tax increases" are really simply NOT making some of Bush's more irresponsible tax cuts to the rich permanent (which he initially said he would not do anyway). We're talking about repealing some tax cuts to the wealthiest taxpayers, and simply not making other tax cuts permanent (ones that technically don't even exist yet).

The point needs to be made as well where we stand as far as taxes as a portion of the GDP now (near record low, I believe), and that corporations are paying very low tax rates (study yesterday showing, I think, that 60% pay no taxes at all, or something similar)?).

The point also needs to be made that perhaps we could afford some of these larger tax cuts when we had a large surplus, but THANKS TO BUSH, we no longer have that surplus.
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RapidCreek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 10:23 AM
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33. Nah the best way to attack it is for Kerry to say....
"I've heard the Neo-Con propogandists have been suggesting I'm scary....hehehehe well I imagine I am to folks who depend on lies and innuendo to get their candidates elected. You see I, have every intention of stamping that sort of amoral unamerican behavior into the dirt, with prejudice. So yes Neo-Cons...be scared....be very scared."

RC
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RummyTheDummy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 11:34 AM
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40. They are?
If they are, I hope they keep working because Chimpy is behind in virtually every national poll after spending more than 40 million dollars over the last month on attack ads.

Keep em comin, Karl.
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vi5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 08:40 AM
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13. Dissapointing. I really like Favreaux...
as an actor and a director and a writer. I know something like this shouldn't affect my view of his work but it does. I guess it's better than being a flat out repub, but still.
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Brotherjohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 08:57 AM
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21. The hardcore Repub isn't why Bush was able to "win". It was people like..
... Favreaux. They're middle-of-the-road voters biting on the scare tactics. I wouldn't be too hard on him. He's the voter we need to win over.
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elfwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 11:38 AM
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41. and shame on him...
He is Jewish. I don't understand how any Jews can support Bush. In spite of the Israel/Palestine thing, Bush is bad for Jews. He and his ilk just want to convert us.
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 08:43 AM
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15. Let's put howard on AIR AMERICA.
He's loud, popular and PISSED.

Now that would be a COUP.
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Beloved Citizen Donating Member (522 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 08:48 AM
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18. Right
And watch what happens when the first knucklehead from our side of the divide goes off on a crusade about his "sexism."
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 08:56 AM
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20. You're absolutely correct
Too many whiney PC dems, still. There are a LOT of us who hate his brand of humor and will think stopping the titty jokes will help womens rights or some nonsense. Now is not the time for Stern on AA...he's moving to satellite.
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Missy Vixen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 09:04 AM
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24. He'll go to Sirius
He's already had talks with them. It'll be interesting what Mel Karmazin (Howard's boss and Mr. Viacom,) will do next -- will he let Howard out of his contract without penalty when the fines get so astronomical that they can't keep him, or will they require Howard to sit out the remaining year and a half?

One thing's for sure, Howard Stern on satellite will sell a million sets in the first month. I'd almost rather he went there; he'll make the medium. Sirius will also start carrying Air America in the next couple of weeks, so it'll be great for everyone.

Julie
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 08:46 AM
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16. Favreaux was not scared of Wes Clark (Maher show), so
kerry has another shot at him (and people like him)
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cybildisobedience Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 08:46 AM
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17. doesn't surprise me about Favreaux
He was on "Real Time" not too long ago, and he basically a Bush-loving blob who just said there with his ENORMOUS head, mumbling the most stupid Freeper propaganda.
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BGrier Donating Member (94 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 09:03 AM
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23. I Remember Real Time
That guy was way out of his element.
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DaveSZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 09:08 AM
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25. I wish I had heard it...
I want to find a list of the stations that he's on so I can tune in.

If anyone could point me in the right direction I'd be thankful.



:)


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stopbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 10:10 AM
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31. You're correct. Favreaux is an obvious rethug, maybe even a freeper.
He's been out there with his "I haven't yet decided" schtick for at least 8 months. Is there any doubt that he'll vote for bush? No. But he'll keep up the appearance of being impartial because he hopes it keeps the sheeple from committing to Kerry. When it gets near the election, he'll just sort of disappear from the airwaves, leaving the sheeple to think, "that rich guy who dated Monica on Friends thought Kerry is scary. Hey, that rhymes!"

Fuck Favreaux.
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Florida_Geek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 09:02 AM
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22. How much $$$$ has he saved per year under Bush
that is why he loves him.
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Flowerchild73 Donating Member (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 10:24 AM
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34. "Stern is ON FIRE this morning!"
I'm glad Stern has finally seen the light and has gone the way of the rest of us, but I can't tolerate his misogynist crap.

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LeahMira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 10:34 AM
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36. Better late than never...
I'm glad Stern has finally seen the light and has gone the way of the rest of us, but I can't tolerate his misogynist crap.

Howard Stern is not stupid. I've always wondered why he took the low road to "fame and fortune" also. I guess we just have to be willing to look past a lot of stuff and realize that there's more to him than what he's shown publicly to date. I never could take his shows, but more because of his treatment of people who are retarded. Even so, I can't say I really dislike the guy... just wished he could get over the "schtick."
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Lindsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 10:51 AM
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39. I gained a new respect for him after I saw his movie "Private
Parts." I didn't really listen to him that often (much more of a Mark and Brian fan). ..and I don't like some of the things he does. However, we MUST do what the repubs have been doing. They stick together even though they don't agree on everything (or in some cases most things). I feel we have a MAJOR player in our corner. He,imho, has been heroic by being adament regarding what he believes. He totally could have backed down or not even gone there regarding Bush. I would think that he's loosing money due to his priciples (since he lost some of his channels - but hell, maybe he'll end up making more!). I just turned it on and his American Idol/Bush thing was funny (what Simon would tell Bush).
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 11:42 AM
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43. Private Parts was my first dose of Stern, too
It was a very, very good movie. Even my wife loved it. Hysterically funny, but also a very good illustration of corporate media censorship and the whoring they'll do to make a buck. If you think you are a Stern hater, watch this movie. You'll take on a whole new understanding of his schtick.
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Room101 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 12:12 PM
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44. John Favreaux represents the average willfully ignorant person
He had no facts to back up anything- He is Joe and Jane public.
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Room101 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 12:14 PM
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45. I will post a link to a clean mp3 of the entire show- later
:)
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adriennel Donating Member (776 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 12:17 PM
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46. Favreaux is kind of....
a jerk, along with being a Republican. I thought he proved this during his appearance on Bill Maher's show earlier this season. Too bad he's not even funny anymore.
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