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TimMooring Donating Member (413 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 12:55 PM
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Nixon's Dignity
I didn't like Nixon - obviously. But his exit from the WH had a modicum of dignity. This is going to be a knock-down drag-out fight. Kicking and screaming. Mel is already girding his loins and getting out his broadsword.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 12:59 PM
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1. I don't remember it being all that dignified at the time.
Nixon seemed to find grace and dignity later in life.

It could be that I am simply nostalgic for the old days.
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 01:02 PM
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2. I automatically assumed this would be a short thread
Almost as short as "Bush's intelligence"
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PfcHammer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 01:03 PM
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3. farewell speech was decent n/t
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displacedtexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 01:04 PM
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4. Nixon confused dignity with good posture.
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mark11727 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 01:11 PM
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5. In the cartoons, though, he always slouched.
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MajorFlaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 01:12 PM
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6. You're just joking about Nixon, right?
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TimMooring Donating Member (413 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 01:20 PM
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9. Nixon was a crook, a carpet bomber and 3rd rate 2nd story man
He was elected and wasn't born with a silver spoon. I am sufficiently a humanist to have some sympathy for people - like when they were prying Saddam's mouth open. I will never feel anything but contempt for *
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MajorFlaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 05:20 PM
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15. May I suggest
"The Great Fear" by David Caute. Nixon was a scumbag long before he became an outright criminal. While I never saw any need for this war, I'm not sure what to make of anyone having sympathy for Saddam. Now that he's out of power why don't we just take him with us and LEAVE, before we are thrown out.
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TimMooring Donating Member (413 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 05:35 PM
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16. Saddam is at the bush center for intelligence in DC
having tea and crumpets with his old runner Donald Rumsfeld. He may be directing the counterinsurgence operation for the CIA.
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MinnFats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 01:15 PM
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7. his exit, like everything else, was a deceitful cover-up
Edited on Tue Apr-13-04 01:18 PM by MinnFats
Never admitted a thing.

leaving, talked about 'those who hate you....unless you hate them back, and then you destroy yourself,' without realizing one iota the irony of what he was saying.
his whole record was one of hateful deceit.

did you know that Nixon and Kissinger sabotaged the Paris peace talks during the last few months of the Johnson administration? Nixon ran as a peace candidate with a 'secret plan' to end the war, which turned out to be bombing the living shit out of North Vietnam and, oh, for good measure, Cambodia, too.
They got into office, let the war drag on, then accepted terms almost identical to those on the table the day they took office. In the meantime, about 25,000 Americans and untold millions of Vietnamese had died.

Read: "Sideshow: Nixon, Kissinger and the Destruction of Cambodia," or "The Final Days" or Christopher Hitchens' essay on Kissinger as a war criminal.

At the end he lied his ass off to his own attorneys, lied repeatedly to the American public, lied to his own family.

He only resigned when it was absolutely clear that the vote to impeach and convict would be overwhelming, crushing.

Later he tried to justify everything. He told David Frost, "If the president does it, that means it's not illegal."

IN other words, long after he left office, he still believed the president of the United States was above the law.

There was nothing dignified about Nixon's entire career, including his exit.



ON EDIT: By the way, welcome to DU to the newbies. I;m not always this mean. But Nixon sorta touches a nerve. I consider him to have the blood of thousands of my generation on his hands. He lingered before dying because they were warming up a very special place in hell for him.
KIDDING! I'm just kidding. May he rest in peace. Sort of.
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TimMooring Donating Member (413 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 01:33 PM
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11. Is a modicum too much
Two of my best friends in HS came back in boxes. I was lucky not too. My opposition to Vietnam started way before Nixon. The chant was :Hey, Hey, L B J. I have a natural opposition to people whose ideology is so clean that they can't acknowledge a "modicum" - tiny - bit of dignity in Nixons exit from the WH. If you saw his back straight - then that's a modicum. bush will blurb.
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 01:18 PM
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8. Don't know about dignity, but
I find him an object of some pity. I have no pity for any of these gangsters.
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Ishoutandscream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 01:22 PM
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10. "Nixon's Dignity" goes down as an oxymoron
with other well known ditties as "Military intelligence" and "Fox News."
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TimMooring Donating Member (413 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 01:56 PM
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14. Neither are actually oxymorons
oxy is sharp
moron is not so sharp

a just war - that's an oxymoron

Your's are loosely oxymoronic in terms of actual usage. tired cliches are oxymoronic by that standard.

There's a modicum of intelligence in the U.S. military.
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Lisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 01:33 PM
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12. you know, if Dubya tried to emulate Nixon's exit ...
... he would knock his head on the helicopter door frame.

And he'd probably have shouted "I am a cook!", or something equally cryptic.
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DieboldMustDie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 01:37 PM
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13. I guess "modicum" is the key word here.
By the way, who's Mel?
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Must_B_Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 05:35 PM
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17. Gibson... haven't you heard? Fender sux...
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