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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 03:20 PM
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Ashcroft tells one flat out lie . . .
Says that he found no order to kill bin Laden when he took office, but there was one to arrest him. . . .

BULLSHIT . . . there is an executive order signed by Clinton authorizing the assasination of bin Laden.

Frickin' liar.
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Florida_Geek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 03:24 PM
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1. He may be right....
The executive order was to the CIA to kill bin Laden... It may have not been copied to the AG office.
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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 03:26 PM
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3. He was discussing AFTER his investigation, not just when he took office. .
He's lying through his teeth.
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gasperc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 03:25 PM
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2. Ashcroft is lying through his fucking teeth!!!
what a fucker, he contradicts his own preliminary memo about new budget priorities where terrorism is on the bottom of the list.
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skypilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 03:26 PM
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4. Yeah, I'm getting confused about this.
Was the counterterrorism budget increased or decreased before and after 9/11? I'm hearing so many different things.
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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 03:27 PM
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5. Have they asked him yet why he refused to increase funding . . .
on 9/10 for anti-terrorism efforts?
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rainy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 03:28 PM
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8. I thought Congress decided on budget
Wasn't Clinton's congress in charge of budget republican?
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Qutzupalotl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 03:28 PM
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9. ...or stopped flying commercial aircraft
in the summer of 2001?
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bearfartinthewoods Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 04:19 PM
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11. it seems that turns out to be wrong
he just listed commercial flights he took, after the warning.
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onecitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 03:27 PM
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6. ONE?
My gawd. He's telling one right after the other!

My friends, the gloves are off! And I'll never forget the image of the men in black escorting him into the room.
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neoteric lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 03:27 PM
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7. the worst part is
he probably not lying. He probably didn't look for one for the use plausible deniability.

Just listen to him just trashing the Clinton administrator. I really DONT like this guy.
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MrMonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 03:48 PM
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10. Ashcroft tells another outright lie
"for nearly a decade our government had blinded itself to our enemies."

Which commandment was that? "Thou shall not bear false witness"?
That man is going straight to hell!
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 04:21 PM
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12. Yeah, no shit. "Blinded itself to our enemies?"
You mean, something along the lines of Bush deciding not to postpone his vacation despite the warnings?

That evil, lazy, lying, stupid, crackhead, alcoholic motherfucker is too dangerous for this country.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 04:21 PM
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13. ONLY ONE LIE? No way, I'll bet he has already told A DOZEN!
WWFMD?

What Would Ferdinand Marcos Do?

It's the only question you even need to ask about our Emperor and his Stoges.
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skeptic9 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 04:34 PM
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14. Ashcroft's priorities: The DOCUMENTED TRUTH
A Paul Krugman column in the NY times last month (at http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/23/opinion/23KRUG.html ) and a website with documents to back it up are in direct conflict with what Ashcroft just said under oath.

Supportive of the headline version of Richard Clarke's main argument (US Lagged on Terror Fight--Clarke") is side-by-side posting of Janet Reno's TOP priority in April 2000--counterterrorism--versus John Ashcroft's May 2001 list of seven "Strategic Goals and Objectives". Ashcroft did not even mention terrorism.

Under oath, he just said that these May 2001 list items were RENO's priorities, NOT HIS!

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The Center for American Progress has links and summaries of actual documents that contradict what Ashcroft just said, at http://www.americanprogress.org/site/pp.asp?c=biJRJ8OVF&b=39039 :

4/6/00 DoJ Budget Goals Memo: Official annual budget goals memo from Attorney General Janet Reno to department heads dated 4/6/2000 detailing how counterterrorism is her top priority for the Department of Justice. In the second paragraph, she states, "In the near term as well as the future, cybercrime and counterterrrorism are going to be the most challenging threats in the criminal justice area. Nowhere is the need for an up-to-date human and technical infrastructure more critical."

5/10/01 Ashcroft New DoJ Budget Goals Memo: Official annual budget goals memo from Attorney General Ashcroft dated 5/10/2001 (directly compares to the 4/6/2000 Reno memo). Out of 7 strategic goals described, not one mentions counterterrorism, a serious departure from Reno.

8/9/01 Internal Draft of New Ashcroft DoJ Strategic Plan: Internal draft dated 8/9/2001 of DoJ's plans to revamp the official DoJ Strategic Plan strategic in which Attorney General Ashcroft's new priorities for DoJ were highlighted in yellow (because of color constraints with PDF, the items with black boxes were the ones actually highlighted). As it says, highlighted items equal the specific goals of the new Attorney General. Specifically highlighted by Ashcroft are domestic violent crime and drug trafficking prevention. Item 1.3 entitled "Combat terrorist activities by developing maximum intelligence and investigative capability" is passed over. After September 11, Ashcroft quickly amended his plans for DoJ's
reorganization. The final strategic mission, which was released in November looks starkly different than Ashcroft's pre-September 11 draft. (to see this reversal, you can compare "stragicplan.pdf" attached to this email with the final strategic mission that is found on the web at http://www.usdoj.gov/jmd/mps/strategic2001-2006/chapter2.pdf ).

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John_H Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 06:57 PM
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16. DOJ link blank for me. anyone having any luck w/this?
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MissMarple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 06:28 PM
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15. Bimping for skeptic9's links.
"The truth shall set you free"... and all that stuff. If only Ashcroft could wrap his twisted, wasted mind around a piece of reality.
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