ASHCROFT THREAD #2!!!

please continue here

is on. Oh boy, this should be fun!

BEAT YOU TO IT!!!

:D

:bounce:

Here goes Ben Veniste! This ought to be good.

Who's minding the store?

What a maroon.

I posted that in another thread. This man must think he is a f-ing disciple of Christ. How the hell can biology and/or chemistry be evil!

Be careful of the evil philosophy next!

Evil Evolution.

Some document that they just got last week that asscroft might want to review? Then something about he might want to enlighten himself but it can't be discussed because of national security?

Anyone else catch that or know what he's referring to??

not just detain.

That document supposedly makes something Asscroft said WRONG.

I heard that too.

Asscroft told he might want to familiarize himself with it.

I think the bushistas finally gave the Clinton PDB to the commission.

http://www.cnn.com/video/us/2002/02/25/ashcroft.sings.wbtv.med.html

Maybe he'll break out into this song during his testimony!

I had forgotten all about that vile display by asscroft-- LOL!

(what a coincidence beniste just said "you are not well versed!")

Citing lies he just told and - more importantly - showing how out-of-touch and unresponsive Asscroft and bush were to terrorism. Forget about Clinton!

Go Richard!

ben veniste - "I take your word that you were not well versed in the way of Washington"

SLAM!!

"I take your point that you were not well-versed in the ways of Washington..."

It sounded like it to me..must be the dirnking game.

When they have to make up verbs to sound like they were actually doing something, beware! This leaves his claim of involvement up to the listener, who will substitute his/her own definition of pulsing.

Food processors pulse. Blenders pulse. People pulsing conjures up a freak-assed image!

Meeeow!

"Counterterrorism was nowhere to be seen on Ashcroft's list of top priorities for the Justice Department. Ashcroft's May 2001 "budget goals memo" outlined the Attorney General's top seven priorities. Counterterrorism did not appear anywhere on the list. After 9/11, Ashcroft released a revised strategic goals memo in November 2001 that inserted a new priority at the top of the list – "Protect America Against the Threat of Terrorism."


Attorney General Ashcroft specifically cut counterterrorism spending prior to 9/11. Justice Department documents released by American Progress reveal that in August 2001, the FBI specifically requested additional resources to bolster counterterrorism resources. In response, Ashcroft actually cut counterterrorism funding in critical areas including equipment grants, border control, and the National Domestic Preparedness Office. Our new analysis reveals the 2002 counterintelligence budget proposed by Ashcroft cut counterintelligence spending by more than $476 million – a 23 percent decline from 2001 funding levels.

http://www.americanprogress.org/site/pp.asp?c=biJRJ8OVF&b=45491

Ask the sorry son of a bitch about "flying on comercial airlines"

That threat assement had nothnig to do with terrorism. they thought I would better served using government aircfaft.

Now Asscroft says he said terroism was highest priority--to high to be on the list.

In his opening statement AND in an answer to "Big Jim" Thoompson.

then lie like a pig.

woooo hooo!!!!

eom

Charter private aircraft!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bull fucking shit!!!!!!!!!! He is going to be nailed.

:D

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get the POPCORN!!!!

he's "pleased" to address this...

n/t

the Question./.......private plane....

Asshat says that he never stopped using commercial travel for personal travel.

the charter jet.

(In a cubicle - can't get C-Span cause of the firewall)

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Go Dick!!!! priorities...spin this one Johnny...

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/07/26/national/main303601.shtml

Ashcroft Flying High
WASHINGTON, July 26, 2001


Fishing rod in hand, Attorney General John Ashcroft left on a weekend trip to Missouri Thursday afternoon aboard a chartered government jet, reports CBS News Correspondent Jim Stewart.

In response to inquiries from CBS News over why Ashcroft was traveling exclusively by leased jet aircraft instead of commercial airlines, the Justice Department cited what it called a "threat assessment" by the FBI, and said Ashcroft has been advised to travel only by private jet for the remainder of his term.

"There was a threat assessment and there are guidelines. He is acting under the guidelines," an FBI spokesman said. Neither the FBI nor the Justice Department, however, would identify what the threat was, when it was detected or who made it.

A senior official at the CIA said he was unaware of specific threats against any Cabinet member, and Ashcroft himself, in a speech in California, seemed unsure of the nature of the threat.

"I don't do threat assessments myself and I rely on those whose responsibility it is in the law enforcement community, particularly the FBI. And I try to stay within the guidelines that they've suggested I should stay within for those purposes," Ashcroft said.

Asked if he knew anything about the threat or who might have made it, the attorney general replied, "Frankly, I don't. That's the answer."

Earlier this week, the Justice Department leased a NASA-owned G-3 Gulfstream for a 6-day trip to Western states. Such aircraft cost the government more than $1,600 an hour to fly. When asked whether Ashcroft was paying for any portion of the trips devoted to personal business, a Justice Department spokeswoman declined to respond.

All other Bush Cabinet appointees, with the exception of Interior and Energy with remote sites to oversee, fly commercial airliners. Janet Reno, Ashcroft's predecessor as attorney general, also routinely flew commercial. The secretaries of State and Defense traditionally travel with extra security on military planes.

The Justice Department insists that it wasn't Ashcroft who wanted to fly leased aircraft. That idea, they said, came strictly from Ashcroft's FBI security detail. The FBI had no further comment.

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"it was related to the AG's safety..blah blah blah"

Not related to terrism threat - just the security of me, myself St Asscrack

but it looks like his answer was satisfactory. If he continued to use commercial jets for personal flying I don't think we can use this against him anymore.

fucking Johhny had a good answer. i hope i missed something and THAT IS POSSIBLE.

it seems like it's a good ole boy day in DC.

crap.

he never stopped flying commercial for personal travel.

He's saying the that had nothing to do with terrorist, gave some bullshit gobbly-goop answer.

I thought outside the Prez/VP, they had to take commericial?

I bet if Janet Reno was using tax dollars to use Charter Planes for business travels, they'd be demanding a Ken Starr investivation for $70mil dollars

I think he was saying the threat that effected his flying for "busisness" was a personal one and that he moved from commercial to government planes because of the firearms his protectors were flying with.

Is that what I heard???

Said his wife flew to Germany in August on commercial airlines and on Sept. 3 him and his wife flew domestically and commercially. I certainly wish there was a way to cooberate.

on edit; corroberate oopsie

There has been so much importance attached to that allegation. I truly wonder if that idea was planted and fertilized here by someone.

"I have used commercial aircraft exclusively for my PERSONAL TRAVEL" since 2000,.... and continuing.

For WORK.... I had to use govt/private aircraft for logistics reasons...supplies, personnel, etc.

Oh, two points for Ashcroft.... pretty amazing recovery on that subject.......bastard

From July 26 2001 opens " Fishing rod in hand, Attorney General John Ashcroft left on a weekend trip to Missouri Thursday afternoon aboard a chartered government jet, reports CBS News Correspondent Jim Stewart."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/07/26/national/main303601.shtml

Sounds like a personal trip to me.

about flying???????????????? noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!

anyone else?

to verify his account of his travel habits.

He'd let Ashcroft hang himself first.

But I tend to doubt there was much to it (CBS article aside), unless someone can produce the actual threat assessment and show that he did change his plans based on it (as in actual flight records, etc.).

if there is any. The story was a CBS News Story.

i am thinking he took commercial and wasnt a valid story. so we go on. there are many many that are coming up true. shruggin

although counterterrorism was mentioned - but not as a major goal - back to the budget

that's not what we heard earlier.

isn't he under oath?

Huh?

http://www.justice.gov/ag/annualreports/summary2000/part1.htm
Reducing Espionage and Terrorism



DOJ's FY 2000 performance plan maintains a strong focus on pursuing the early detection, investigation, and prosecution of terrorist conspiracies, and responding to terrorist acts, including cyberterrorism. There will be a prompt, aggressive, and fully-coordinated response to all terrorist acts directed against Americans, their interests or the National Information Infrastructure, including those located or originating from abroad. Consistent with legislative mandates and related Presidential directives, DOJ and its components coordinate with other Executive Branch agencies in these efforts. For all overseas-based incidents, particular liaison occurs with the Department of State. As another example, the National Defense Authorization Act of 1996 provided funding and a training mandate to assist State and local authorities in the proper response to a terrorist incident. The FBI participates with the Departments of Defense, Energy, Health and Human Services and the Environmental Protection Agency in the development and delivery of this training.

Key features of the DOJ FY 2000 performance plan will strengthen the Nation's response capability to terrorist episodes. Specifically, DOJ will work through the FBI, the U.S. Attorneys' Offices, OJP, and the Department's Criminal Division to establish or expand partnerships with state, local and international entities to better respond to domestic terrorist acts, cyberattacks and other threats. OJP's role in domestic preparedness is discussed under Core Function 2.

Recognizing the threat of terrorist acts to critical infrastructure, such as the information highway, power systems and transportation networks, the Attorney General created the National Infrastructure Protection Center (NIPC). In FY 2000, through the NIPC, DOJ will further our capabilities to coordinate and respond to the cyber and physical threats targeted at key infrastructure assets by operating the center 24-hours per day, 7-days per week.

FY 2000 Key Performance Goal FY 2000 Key Performance Indicators
1.3.1 Preventing Terrorist Acts ­ In FY 2000, DOJ, working with other federal agencies such as Treasury and State, will improve the Nation's capability to prevent terrorist acts within the United States and abroad by: improving information gathering and analysis capabilities to evaluate threats and provide early detection of potential terrorist acts; investigating the fund-raising activities of terrorist organizations; planning, coordinating and conducting training exercises; and increasing the number of multi-agency Joint Terrorism Task Forces.

that budget mumbo jumbo had people tuning out all over the country.

http://www.justice.gov/ag/annualreports/pr2000/TableofContents.htm

Although it did somehow make it into the REVISED plan:
http://www.justice.gov/ag/annualreports/pr2001/TableofContents.htm

CLINTON administration. Why is he being allowed to evade questions like this? This if nothing but a SHAM!

Huh?
All items would be listed under "Related."
None under "Counter Terrorism."

OH! All of the FBI computer upgrade $ was actually counter terrorism-related?

What a crock!

Slade Gorton....man that guy could pass for skelator without a hint of makeup!

he sounds like he's constantly choking on his own spit.

The repubs are really not letting him get off too easy... Slade is saying he didn't start breaking down the wall like he said he did...

it comes out Slate Gordon.. it sounds so much better than Slade Gorton.. What is this "Gorton" anyway, it sounds like a phelgmy cough. Or maybe a kind of cheese.

While I agree he doesn't look all that great, I saw a nice line of questioning by this Gorton. He scored imho. Punctured throgh the clenis line of defense.

... about the threats" quote?!?

It sounded like it was soft-balled, from a Repub-friendly member, but also like he issued an unequivocal denial anyway.

I didn't hear it.

Anyone?

asking why the 1995 guidelines were left in place is they were so bad

see.

Ole Crisco tongue said "ration ay lee" what a maroon.

What a dunce.

I don't know what is.

If someone knows the word, how could it be mispronounced? Wow, just wow..

who knew? :shrug:

Ashcroft pronounces "rational" as "ration-aily."

What a severe fucking idiot.

if he never stopped using commercial aircraft and the answer is so simple, why did he storm out of his office when he was asked about it?

In May 2002 its claimed the threat assessment had nothing to do with al-Qaeda, but Ashcroft walked out of his office rather than answer questions about it.
AP at FoxNews
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,52982,00.html

Also from that story: "Since July 2001, Ashcroft has typically flown aboard an FBI jet or aboard other jets leased by U.S. agencies, although he occasionally has traveled on commercial flights, such as during a recent trip to Trinidad, Corallo said."

He's parsing personal v business!!!!!!!!!

And this was a Q from Fielding!!!!!!!!!!!!

Whoa, Doggies! Fielding just called him out! A$$KKKroft should review how he got intel because Fielding has info disputing A$$KKKroft's statements.

Oh.. My.. Gawd..

Fielding just smacked him with a LIE!!!!!!!!!!!!! PERJURY!!!!

that's number one...next????

For the cubically impaired...

I mean, I'm not watching the thing, please tell me he didn't say that. If he did I'll puke!

ergo, evil.

What u=in the heck does that mean?

The feed from c-span.org sucks ass today.

ashcroft somewhere,. even the republicans seem to be in puzzle in some of the answers

Not giving him a pass. MONs latest received, A$$crap did not issue any classified memos..sleep at the wheel.

Roemer on: Attacking about his bragging about being aggressive.

Oh my..

You can tell his blood pressure is through the roof

He doesn't understand the question???????????????

Why not go after all terrorists, not just UBL?

"I believe that's what we eventually did."

Why just go after UBL...why not Al Queda and he just says..."I don't understand your question..." idiot dodger...

Was there a threat assessment or wasn't there? All Ashcroft did was confuse me. If there was a threat assessment but he continued flying on commercial planes on personal business was the threat a lie? If it was a lie or not to be taken seriously, then why did he officially stop flying commercial planes on official government business?

What exactly was the threat?
Who told him about the threat?
When was he first told?
What memo or document on what date from what person ordered him to stop flying commercially?
Let's get the text of that memo!!!

How is this issue resolved?

waltzing around.

:)

that his statements about a capture or kill policy NOT being in place when Ashcroft took the job. Ashcroft is claiming differently. They (the commission) is seriously pissed...

I'd like to use the word "lie" but it's clear Ashcroft has been schooled about his opening statement that there wasn't a standing order from the Clinton administration to kill Bin Laden.

Edit: spelling