So Asscroft says he flies Commercial in answer to the question about

why he stopped flying Commercial months before 9/11. Does this shoot some of our LIHOP theory down, or did he lie? Benveniste said that he "had to ask the question because he had many people who wanted him to ask it and because the Warren Commission had been accused of overlooking some questions which lead to years of more questions." (paraphrase)
I got the feeling he proposed the question apologetically as :tinfoilhat: stuff. Asscroft seemed to shoot it down. :shrug:

He flew in late july. Type in Ashcroft+2001+private jet in google and see what you get.

link below, post 17

He said he had to fly military because his security detail needed to keep their weapons.
But he still flys Commercial and did right before the attacks.

What security detail? The on-again / off-again security detail? It causes him to fly private military sometimes but not all the time?

was vague, and he never really answered why except because his security needed to "keep weapons" as you say. So why does his security need to keep weapons sometimes and not others. And, why does he need security at all?

And why didn't Benveniste follow up hard? Even the 9/11 widows asked that question on Matthews last week when Tweety asked what they wanted answered about 9/11 so they know exactly what we do that it was reported in the press that he had to fly military because of "threats."

But, now it won't go anywhere, unless a reporter chooses to check it out, and that probably wont happen. :-(

To him commercial means "non-military", therefore to him even private chartered jets would be "commercial", that is any plane you have to pay to fly.

Patrick Schoeb

I got this from Randi Rhodes show caller. He went on a fishing trip to Missouri ( this is from a CBS news report 7/21/01, someone Stewart was the reporter. Said he left on a private chartered jet to go fishing because of a "threat assessment". When the Stewart (?) asked him what the threat was, he said "I don't know, I don't do threat assessments. So he quit flying commercially at least by 7/2001

www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/07/26/national/main303601.shtml

But will anything become of it? :kick:

in a perjury trap, but it didn't look like it at the time, since he didn't press the answer. :shrug: The CBS article and others I've read certainly said he was told to fly private jet.

"In response to inquiries from CBS News over why Ashcroft was traveling exclusively by leased jet aircraft instead of commercial airlines, the Justice Department cited what it called a "threat assessment" by the FBI, and said Ashcroft has been advised to travel only by private jet for the remainder of his term.

"There was a threat assessment and there are guidelines. He is acting under the guidelines," an FBI spokesman said. Neither the FBI nor the Justice Department, however, would identify what the threat was, when it was detected or who made it."

Could he provide ticket stubs, itineries, passenger lists, etc. to provide the commission with irrefutable proof that this was so?

We need to stop asking for things we think the Repugnicans won't provided us. I'm sorry, but inuendos surounding the October PDB made it sound like we had a smoking gun that Chimpboy doesn't want us to see. Then they declassified it, and it wasn't anything like what anybody imagined. We looked silly, and it hurt our credibility. Let the inuendos fly, but be careful about asking for too much proof.

Proof is TRUTH, IMHO. You just can't have too much of it.

Think about it for a minute. Any good attorney will tell you that "what you do ask is often as crucial as what you ask" (In particular what you ask Janet Reno, but thats a whole other story).
If Ashcroft shows the world a fistfull of airline ticket stubs, we will have screwed ourselves. We have plenty of other fronts to fight Ashcroft on, we do not need to risk this one.

answer. You make no sense to me at all.

What I was trying to quote was "what you do not ask is as crucial as what you ask" pardon me please, it's late and I'm getting a little lazy with the keyboard.

Seriously, if this story has been overblown, so be it...

Ashcroft's explanation could be true, or it could be total BS.

It was August PDB and it was damning!

PDB from 8/6/01.

Now tell me again who looked silly? It's in quotes because that was Condi's answer when asked what the name of the briefing was.

the memo told him that an attack was coming and soon....what did he do?

nada.

The problem is, they only look bad because they lie. This is damning because Condi lied so much, she voraciously denied that they had intel saying bin Laden would attack in U.S. and would use airliner as weapons, and then she had to say "I meant me" cause other people knew, and she wouldn't listen. That's the point that some don't get, WE are not trying to make them look bad, WE aren't doing anything, THEY are making themselves look bad by telling a lie when the truth would have sufficed. Condileper doesn't even get that if she just had a little humility and said, "we messed up", and apologized, this would have played out so differently. But she felt compelled to lie, and on the face of it there is no logical reason for a lie in this situation, which tells me that the only reason they are lying so much is because there is a bitter ugly truth underneath all this, that's probably worse than anyone wants to know. Like Randi Rhodes says "it's not a conspiracy theory if there really is a conspiracy."

Am I missing something? Why does Bush keep bragging that he ASKED for the August 6th PDB, if it's something he gets EVERYDAY?? What does it stand for, if I have it wrong?

This one I don't have a link for, but there is some discrepancy as to whether or not he ever saw this briefing. Someone at the CIA, I believe, is saying that to his recollection Bush did not ask for it. I heard Bush say that at the press conference tonight, and I thought hmm.

ARGGHH. I thought I had saved the article but I guess not. Anyway, the reason it seems weird is because it is weird. He's using repetition to establish a fact that isn't a fact.

the AUGUST PDB? A few DID 'imagine' the "text deleted" sections sprinkled throughout. Until "text deleted" is declassified, they haven't answered the question.

The text deleted sections refer to where the information was coming from. Thats how everyone seems to be interpreting it. I'm not trying to be difficult here, but I do not think the independents will give their vote to Kerry on the basis of Bush being warned in this PDB. I'm convinced from everything I've seen and heard, except for my few liberal friends in the state I live in, that this is going nowhere. If it where, it would be the lead story on every news show but FOX.

Are you ready to apologize for that?

If I have, I will apologize. Please lay it out for me. I'm all ears, like Chimpboy.

You say that the independents won't give their votes to Kerry based on this.

Let's back up.

Some people care about the tragedy of 9/11. Some people care about the victims and the families. Some people care about the devastating impact on our nation and what it has given Bush carte blanche to do to our democracy. Some people want to go over this event with a fine toothed comb and find out what happened so that it will never, ever happen again. And I want to know why John Ashcroft was warned and what the warning was regardless of who wins in November and regardless of who it hurts or helps politically.

Everybody cares. Everybody wants a fine tooth comb to go through this thing. I want everybody to testify under oath and in public who has had any part of this thing for the last ten years. Even Clinton, even if he proves to be a liability. However, if we do not win this election, are we any better off. This is not a game, I want the truth, but I want it when I have the power to act on it.

At it's heart,it isn't. Kristin Breitweiser, who is the best known of the Jersey Girls, is a registered republican, and she and her deceased husband both voted for Bush.

I know what it feels like to feel in the minority, but republicans are at most 30% of the population. The biggest threats to democrats winning this election are lack of voter participation and election fraud via computerized voting, not any truth that comes out of this commission..

I haven't even thought much about the election with regards to the 9/11 commission. The press conference tonight, yes. The Iraq war, yes. And definitely the economy yes. Don't let republicans dictate the game. I don't know what else to say. The truth is the truth, and it will out.

as 'not a smoking gun'.

:hi:

Yes, the "text deleted" referred to ??? (whomever) provided the intel. Isn't that somewhat interesting? I think so.

Maybe it won't go anywhere. There is a mega ton of sh*t flying right now. The tipping point will be reached. Every straw adds a little more weight.

Please understand, in Southwest Virginia, I am surrounded by Republicans and "Dixicrats". Very few are moderates, but those who are seem to be behind Bush on all issues surrounding 911. Straws like this PDB thing are adding weight to us. They hurt us here. So will the Ashcroft-airline thing. We need to focus on the job losses, the economy, education, etc. in my state. We have lost a lot of jobs in Southwest Virginia. I'd like to keep mine, so I need Kerry. I just don't want to throw a bunch of little league pitches that the Reps will knock into the cheap seats.

which added to the other piles of ammo from other nations, meant we got 9/11, because Bush ignored the warnings. Bush: 2 and 2 make 25.

sorry, shouldn't have fed the troll.

the PDB was a threat warning and a smoking gun..


Your misrepresentations of the facts are laughable.

We don't want to hear it anymore.

BTW, we are talking about the August PDB. That would be BEFORE 9/11. I'm sorry, but you should have your facts straight BEFORE you post.

And in what way do you imagine we looked "silly?"

What you guys don't get is that we WANT truth. That's all we're asking for. Facts, truth.

and it was damaging as hell.

So when was the last time he took a personal trip?

oh, July of 2001, maybe?

He's IMPORTANT! Everything he DOES is "official business". They roll his shit into pills and sell it via email as a penis enlarger!

Ofranken show.

a caller asked him about that, and the Ron Brown warning

he said they looked into both, and there was no evidence for either

the caller mentioned the CBS news story, too.

he said nothing there, and they dropped it

wish they'd gone into detail

didn't BROWN himself say that condi, or someone close to her, warned him off?

read it and weep, they are lying.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/07/26/national/main303601.shtml

I've been calling it that for awhile

wish EVERYBODY would start calling it that

what a travesty