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skooooo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 11:31 PM
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Did I hallucinate, or did Bush refer to "brown-skinned" people??


Just need a reality check, here. Was that political suicide or what?? Where did he pick up that phrase? Are there people around him who talk about "brown-skinned" people?

WTF?
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IranianDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 11:32 PM
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1. I heard that..
Pretty embarassing.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 11:33 PM
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2. In what context?
I missed the conf. that sounds like a lowlight.
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shockingelk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 11:40 PM
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11. CONTEXT CONTEXT CONTEXT
"Some of the debate really center around the fact that people don't believe Iraq can be free; that if you're Muslim, or perhaps brown-skinned, you can't be self-governing and free. I strongly disagree with that. I reject that..."

I've challenged a freeper board to come up with a single person who believes that "that if you're Muslim, or perhaps brown-skinned, you can't be self-governing and free."

I'm still waiting for reply, of course!
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JohnOneillsMemory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 11:41 PM
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15. LIKE THE US COUP IN HAITI, YOU MURDEROUS FUCKER.
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 11:33 PM
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3. Yes, he did; wasn't that a pip?
Another reason why they never let this idiot go off script. I thought that was a jaw-dropper. I can't remember the exact wording, but he was saying something to the effect that some people thought that Muslims and brown skinned people were incapable of democracy, but that he didn't share this opinion.

Somebody needs to ask him who "these people" are that say things like this, and ask him why he listens to them.

Please find the exact quote, somebody, I'd love to have that on tap.
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skooooo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 11:35 PM
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5. You're version is pretty accurate...


He talked about how some thought that "brown-skinned" people couldn't govern themselves, but then magnanimously stated that he rejected that idea.

Wow, awfully white of you, George.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 12:26 AM
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31. He was TRYING to imply Democrats and war protestors are racist.
And he, of course, is not. I mean, haven't you seen his brown-skinned nieces and nephews by Jeb?
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gold_bug Donating Member (485 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 01:03 AM
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35. So who is arguing that brown-skinned people and
Muslims can't rule themselves? Nobody. This is a huge fallacy of strawman.
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RapidCreek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 11:37 PM
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8. Uh huh
and some people think they are incapable of developing one on their own with out the watchful tutelage of G. AWOL Bush.

RC
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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 11:37 PM
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9. Go to the New York Times. They have the whole transcript.
http://nytimes.com/2004/04/13/politics/13CND-BTEX.html?pagewanted=6

requires free registration.
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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 11:40 PM
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12. And here is the actual quote from the WH home page.
Edited on Tue Apr-13-04 11:44 PM by LittleApple81
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/04/20040413-20.html

and here is the quote:
Some of the debate really center around the fact that people don't believe Iraq can be free; that if you're Muslim, or perhaps brown-skinned, you can't be self-governing and free. I strongly disagree with that. I reject that, because I believe that freedom is the deepest need of every human soul, and, if given a chance, the Iraqi people will be not only self-governing, but a stable and free society.

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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 11:34 PM
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4. Yes there are people arond him who speak
about "brown skinned people." This is racist to the core.
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Rebel_with_a_cause Donating Member (933 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 11:35 PM
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6. Usually "little" precedes such comments
and often "cute," as well.

Did he say that, too?
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tedzbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 12:19 AM
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29. How can Ms. Rice and Powell stomach this guy???
I mean, really!

:mad:
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not systems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 11:37 PM
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7. It is in the transcript.
Who are these people who argue "brown-skinned" people can't
be self-governing and why is the president hanging out with them.


http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/gate/archive/2004/04/13/bush13.DTL

Some of the debate really centers around the fact that people don't believe Iraq can be free; that if you're Muslim, or perhaps brown-skinned, you can't be self-governing or free. I'd strongly disagree with that.
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Rick Myers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 11:38 PM
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10. We love you 'brown-skinned' people!!!
If yer' 'Muricans!!!

Hell, we'll even take the ragheads!!!

But we DON'T want the IRISH!!!

(apologies to Mel Brooks!)

:evilgrin:
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pschoeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 11:40 PM
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13. He got that phrase from his pops
Edited on Tue Apr-13-04 11:41 PM by pschoeb
Who once said, pointing to Jeb's kids, and introduced them as "the little brown ones over there"

Patrick Schoeb
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Kool Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 11:47 PM
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20. Damn-I had forgotten about his dad's comment.
Ignorant man. Ignorant men. This is just another buzz-phrase. Like the thinly-veiled accusation of the statement he made about people that equate Iraq and Viet Nam, that it hurts the soldiers and gives "comfort" to the enemy. You know, in other words, you're not a patriot if you say these things. Or if you disagree about Iraq, it's because you are a racist. This ought to be a beautiful campaign.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 11:40 PM
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14. yup my wife went
crazy-we`re attacking mexico??? bush the racist-think he lost a few votes???
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 11:42 PM
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16. I about died! "brown people"!
He said in context (I'm paraphrasing), 'many people don't believe that Muslims or brown people want to live in harmony'. He said it.. he said it.. Along with 'I know it's not pleasant to see dead people on t.v.'. He said that!! He said that about OUR military killed over there. DEAD PEOPLE!!!! What a fucking idiot!

And.. he reprised his famous line about grieving families.. 'I con.. con.. con... console them, and it's a time to hug, and cry, and console'.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 11:42 PM
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17. his father identified his grandchildren as the brown ones. it runs in the
family
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dumpster_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 11:43 PM
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18. playing the race card--taking every advantage he can get
Translation: if you are against the Iraq war, you are a racist.

Disclaimer for literalminded moderators: the above post does not make me a Bush-lover, a Republican, a Freeper, etc. I hate Bush; I want to hang Bush, etc.
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Kimber Scott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 11:44 PM
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19. It's funny when George Carlin says
we only bomb "brown-skinned" people - we all laugh, even though it hurts. When Bush said some people think "brown-skinned" people can't govern themselves, but he believes they can, it's a sacrilege. There was a lot more going on tonight to pounce on than that.
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bobbyboucher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 11:54 PM
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Just admit it was a fuckin' stupid thing to say,
and move on. The President of the United States shouldn't say anything like that in front of the whole world. It is fucking about as stupid as ....... well I cannot think of anything as stupid.

You defend that idiocy?
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Kimber Scott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 12:20 AM
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30. My husband and I say stuff like that all the time.
"Oh, what? They think they can't do this, or that, or they deserve bombing, or don't need AIDS medicine, or malaria medicine because they're brown-people?" We, just like Bush, are referring to the way some people, supposedly, view brown people. (Of course, Bush might want to look in the mirror, since he has bombed and withheld medicine from brown people.)

I don't have to defend anybody for saying anything. There were enough big bones to pick in tonight's news conference for us all to have a full meal without have to revert to nit-picking the "race card."

Oh, and before you play that card on me... my husband's black.
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bobbyboucher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 12:30 AM
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32. Why did the POTUS bring up skin color?
Skin color has absolutely nothing to do with anything, and for the POTUS to bring up skin color in front of the world is incomprehensible. You and your husband can bandy about the color of peoples skin all you want, I don't mind and wouldn't dream of stopping you or speaking out against you for saying "brown-skinned" people in any context, it really doesn't matter. But the POTUS, that's a whole different ball game.

IMO, for what it's worth.
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Kimber Scott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 12:46 AM
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34. He said something to the effect of
Edited on Wed Apr-14-04 12:47 AM by Kimber Scott
some people think they can't govern themselves because they're brown-skinned, but he disagrees with that. If I have to find the exact quote I will, but there really are brown skinned people in the world and pink ones, too. Pretending we're all the same color, or have no color, is ridiculous and not being able to speak about differences is even more silly and is very oppressive. Being "color-blind" doesn't mean being blind and political correctness does nothing but hide what people really think. I'd rather know and I'd rather be able to talk about it, not pretend race and racism don't exist. That's MHOP.
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skooooo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 12:06 AM
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26. Huh? Racism is racism.
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PfcHammer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 11:49 PM
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21. reminds me of rush limbaugh's comment last year about the eagles
they insist on inserting ethnicity in places where it has no
relevence. tells you where their head is at.
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PfcHammer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 11:54 PM
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22. ... and don't forget this gem
During a chat between the American
president George W Bush ....and
Fernando Henrique Cardoso (of Brazil),
Bush suddenly burst out with the
question: "Do you have blacks, too?"
Rice, his national security advisor
rescued the situation by explaining,
"Mister President, Brazil probably
has more blacks than the USA. Outside
of Africa, it has more blacks than
any other country in the world."
Cardoso reasoned afterwards that
where Latinamerica is concerned,
Bush is still in the "learning stage."
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 12:04 AM
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24. Which begs the question....
Edited on Wed Apr-14-04 12:08 AM by DesertedRose
CONDI....you brilliant IDIOT....

What in the hell are you doing in the republican party?!?

(see toostupidtobepresident.com for the Brazil quote, it's originally from Der Spiegel out of Germany.)
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AbbeyRoad Donating Member (848 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 12:12 AM
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27. Holy crap
I hadn't heard that one. Ugh.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 12:00 AM
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23. His base will love it!


They know that he doesn't care a bit about "brown people."
They know that it is just a game for Hispanics and other minorities to believe that he really cares about people that are brown.

I'm Brown and I KNOW for a fact that he doesn't care about me or my people!

His base is smart. They know he will "SATWIN" = Say Any Thing To Win In November. And to them, that win is all that matters.
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AbbeyRoad Donating Member (848 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 12:05 AM
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25. Some people believe....
that if you live in a trailer you must be lazy, uncultured trash. Is Bush going to bring this up in his next economic policy speech?

Bush says "I strongly disagree with that." The "that" is "the fact that if you're Muslim, or perhaps brown-skinned, you can't be self-governing and free."

I think the majority of the world's population could be considered "brown-skinned," including me. The whole things strikes me as kind of condescending and way too broad.
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SilasSoule Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 12:16 AM
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28. Has LULAC and other Hispanic organizations been notified of this?
Edited on Wed Apr-14-04 12:31 AM by SilasSoule

I think I will pop them an e-mail.

LULAC News & Media Inquiries

LQuiroga@LULAC.org

In a couple of days this will be characterized as a "misstatement" or "taken out of context", but as brown-skinned person myself, I demand a full and public apology.
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TheWizardOfMudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 12:35 AM
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33. It was a thinly veiled attempt to call anti-Iraq-war people racists
AS IF someone against the WAR to bring FREEDOM and DEMOCRACY to Iraq is RACIST because he or she does not think BROWN-SKINNED people are smart enough to be free.

I hate that twisted Bush motherfucker.
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