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Coventina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 10:46 AM
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That Hideous Strength
I was pondering in the shower a few minutes ago, why the Republican Party seems to have become cartoonishly evil.

For some reason I started thinking about C.S. Lewis' book, "That Hideous Strength" which tells the story of the scientific/business organization that gradually abandons their "legitimate" research and devolves into a devil-worshipping, human-sacrificing cult.

I kind of think that the same mechanism is at work in the Republican Party. A critical mass of evil people have collected at the top (PNAC Neocons) and now that they are all together and in power, they've descended into an orgy of death and destruction.

Any body else here read the book and see what I'm talking about?
If you disagree with me, feel free to say so. I wouldn't be sorry to be wrong!

Or maybe the situation is more like a movie: "Dr. Rumlove: Or How I Learned To Stop Worrying And Love The Chimp."
:scared:
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Coventina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 03:02 PM
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1. kick for afternoon crowd
Any C.S. Lewis readers out there?
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 03:15 PM
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2. As you'll notice if you check out my sig line . . .
Hard to say if ChimpCo, Inc. is informed and guided by evil alien intelligences, although I'm sure they're informed and guided by greed, fear, arrogance and their own evil lack of intelligence.

But I think the dialogue between Merlin and Ransom pretty much nails it on the head: "They possess an engine called the Press, whereby the people are deceived."
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GreenArrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 03:28 PM
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4. not "alien, evil intelligences," per se
but rather, "macrobes," the nature of which I will leave to your imagination.
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 03:23 PM
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3. Wow - it's been a long time since I read it,
but I think you're on to something. A "critical mass of evil" really says it for me, too. And at my tinfoiliest, I suspect that devil-worship is not merely a metaphor with this gang.

There are some very sinister, forboding aspects to the National Security State, and these people are in the thick of them.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 03:29 PM
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5. There is the case of Col. Michael Aquino, former Church of Satan priest
that took them over and replaced them with his own Temple of Set all the while on active duty in US Army and DIA, he and his wife were mentioned in The Presidio molestation case:grr:some folks get away with murder-even though there is no statute of limitations for it.:puke::argh:
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 08:53 PM
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7. Have you heard of Aquino's military paper "From PsyOp to MindWar"?
I posted about it a few months ago. It reflects a truly hideous strength of will.

People can dismiss Aquino if they like, because the thought of Satanism strikes them as preposterous, but the man is a retired Lt Col, and he co-authored "From PsyOp to MindWar" with Col. Paul E. Vallely, who has gone on to become the senior military analyst for FOX News. Read the following excerpt regarding "MindWar", and you'll know how scary that is.

This is from the archived thread (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=785713):

From PSYOP to Mindwar: The Psychology of Victory" is a military paper on psychological warfare, written by Lt. Col. Michael Aquino and Col. Paul E. Vallely in 1980. It was sent, writes Aquino, "to various governmental offices, agencies, commands and publications involved or interested in PSYOP." I think it bears a close read now, because it describes a top-down psychological conditioning Americans may find familiar. And it's not insignificant to note that co-author Vallely is now senior military analyst for FOX News.

Who is Aquino? A since-retired Lieutenant Colonel, Military Intelligence, and special-forces officer. Also, for many years, an avowed Satanist, and founder of the "Temple of Set." Aquino's name frequently appears in ritual child abuse cases which appear to have military-intelligence sanction or protection - the Franklin and Presidio scandals, for instance (A good introduction to Aquino and this subject is "Uncle Sam Wants Your Children": http://davesweb.cnchost.com/pedo3.html - part three of "The Pedophocracy," which begins here: http://davesweb.cnchost.com/pedo1.html ). Aquino has never been convicted, so is either innocent or well protected.

And who is Vallely? "The senior military analyst for FOX News Channel and guest on many nationally syndicated radio talk shows, Paul E. Vallely retired in 1991 from the U.S. Army as Deputy Commanding General, U.S. Army, and Pacific in Honolulu, Hawaii."
http://www.kepplerassociates.com/speakers/vallelypaul.asp?1

Aquino has said that "assorted cranks tried to make a public issue out of this paper just because of its catchy title.... That paper had no connection to MK-Ultra, nor Paperclip, nor any crazy Nazi experiments."

Even if one believes Aquino, and dismisses suggestion that he is part of covert-sanctioned research into occult mind control (another CIA interest inherited from the Nazi doctors rescued by Project Paperclip), the implications of "Mindwar" are fairly chilling. And rather familiar, I should think, to anyone living through the Bush years.

Here's a .pdf of "From Psyop to Mindwar" which Aquino has posted, with a new introduction, on his "Temple of Set" website:
http://www.xeper.org/maquino/nm/MindWar.pdf

Some excerpts:


"MindWar...is, in fact, the strategy to which tactical warfare must conform if it is to achieve maximum effectiveness. The MindWar scenario must be preeminent in the mind of the commander and must be the principal factor in his every field decision. Otherwise he sacrifices measures which actually contribute to winning the war to measures of immediate, tangible satisfaction. (Consider the rational for 'body counts' in Vietnam).

...

"In its strategic context, MindWar must reach out to friends, enemies, and neutrals alike across the globe -- neither through primitive "battlefield" leaflets and loudspeakers of PSYOP nor through the weak, imprecise, and narrow effort of psychotronics - but through the media possessed by the United States which have the capabilities to reach virtually all people on the face of the Earth. These media are, of course, the electronic media -- television and radio. State of the art developments in satellite communication, video recording techniques, and laser and optical transmission of broadcasts made possible a penetration of the minds of the worlds such as would have been inconceivable just a few years ago. Like the sword Excalibur, we have but to reach out and seize this tool; and it can transform the world for us if we have the courage and the integrity to civilization with it. If we do not accept Excalibur, then we relinquish our ability to inspire foreign cultures with our morality. If they then desire moralities unsatisfactory to us, we have no choice but to fight them on a more brutish level.

...

"Unlike PSYOP, MindWar has nothing to do with deception or even with 'selected' -- and therefore misleading -- truth. Rather it states a whole truth that, if it does not now exist, will be forced into existence by the will of the United States. The examples of Kennedy's ultimatum to Khrushchev during the Cuban Missile Crisis and Hitler's stance at Munich might be cited. A MindWar message does not have to fit conditions of abstract credibility as do PSYOP there; its source makes it credible. As Livy once said: 'The terror of the Roman name will be such that the world shall know that, once a Roman army had laid siege to a city, nothing will move it -- not the rigors or winter nor the weariness of months and years -- that it knows no end but victory and is ready, in a swift and sudden stroke will not serve, to preserve until that victory is achieved.'

...

"For the mind to believe in its own decisions, it must feel that it made those decisions without coercion. Coercive measures used by the operative, consequently, must not be detectable by ordinary means. There is no need to resort to mind-weakening drugs such as those explored by the CIA; in fact the exposure of a single such method would do unacceptable damage to MindWar's reputation for truth. Existing PSYOP identifies purely-sociological factors which suggest appropriate idioms for messages. Doctrine in this area is highly developed, and the task is basically one of assembling and maintaining individuals and teams with enough expertise and experience to apply the doctrine effectively. This, however, is only the sociological dimension of target receptiveness measures. There are some purely natural conditions under which minds may become more or less receptive to ideas, and MindWar should take full advantage of such phenomena as atmospheric electromagnetic activity (12), air ionization (13), and extremely low frequency waves (14).
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 09:05 PM
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8. Aquino's name also figures in cases of state-sanctioned trauma-induced
mind control, like the "Franklin Cover-Up" scandal involving Satantic abuse and pedophilia among leading conservative Republicans in Nebraska and Washington (Poppy Bush pops up there, too), and tales of CIA "Monarch" programming.

The Monarch stuff is so out there, and yet there are so many corroborating stories, I haven't really formed an opinion on it. But the Franklin case is all too real. Ugly, nasty, and evil.
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Coventina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 09:32 PM
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9. Crikey! Now I'm even more scared!!
:scared:
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Coventina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 08:36 PM
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6. Self - aggrandizing kick for evening crowd
:kick:
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Waverley_Hills_Hiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 09:40 PM
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10. Sure, I read the book...pretty interesting.
but I think Lewis was doing more of a critique of a sort of technocratic secular humanism, saying that it eventually leads to evil.
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