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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 02:29 PM
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Arthur Liu, the man that shut down Air American in Chicago/LA
Lets research to see his connections (if any to the Repubs/Bush) so far this is all I found:

LIU, ARTHUR
NEW YORK,NY 10013
MULTICULTURAL RADIO
4/26/1999
$1,000
National Assn of Broadcasters

LIU, ARTHUR,
WKDM/WNWK
6/30/2000
$1,000
Lazio, Rick A


LIU, ARTHUR
NEW YORK,NY 10013
WPAT-AM
5/16/2000
$1,000
National Assn of Broadcasters

LIU, ARTHUR MR
NEW YORK,NY 10013
WPAT-AM/MULTICULTURAL RADIO/PRESIDE
5/7/2003
$1,000
National Assn of Broadcasters

http://www.opensecrets.org/indivs/search.asp?NumOfThou=0&txtName=Liu%2C+Arthur&txtState=%28all+states%29&txtZip=&txtEmploy=&txtCand=&txt2004=Y&txt2002=Y&txt2000=Y&Order=N
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Goldom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 02:31 PM
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1. And there it is.
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President Jesus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 02:32 PM
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2. link
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 02:35 PM
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3. Does anybody know what the NAB does with its money?
:kick:
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 02:39 PM
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5. info on the guy
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 02:41 PM
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7. They give some to Democrats
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 02:38 PM
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4. Hey, he doesn't sound so bad...Check this out...
ROSS CULTURAL COMMUNICATIONS SCHOLARSHIPS




March 03, 2003

A new scholarship program at Syracuse University's S.I. Newhouse School of Public Communications aims to increase global awareness among future leaders in the communications industry. The Liu Multicultural Scholarships will benefit graduate students with a history of, or interest in, cross-cultural communications. The scholarships are the result of a $500,000 gift from the Liu Foundation, a family foundation established by media entrepreneur and Newhouse alum Arthur Liu and his wife, Yvonne.


"Multiculturalism is a cornerstone of the University's Academic Plan, so this is precisely the type of opportunity that we want to encourage at SU," says Deborah Freund, Vice Chancellor and Provost of Syracuse University. "With these types of opportunities SU students will distinguish themselves in the workplace and in life through their multicultural literacy."

The $10,000 awards will be made to Newhouse students over the next several years, with the first five recipients to be named later this semester. Criteria for selection include proficiency in a foreign language, extensive travel or participation in a study abroad program, an undergraduate program that emphasizes cross cultural or global studies, or relevant career aspirations.

David M. Rubin, dean of the Newhouse School, says the scholarships send an important message to today's communicators and to those of the future. "The dangers of continuing to think about an alien 'other' around the world are obvious," Rubin says. "The United States is now permanently intertwined with the affairs of practically every country around the globe, and their welfare inevitably affects ours. It is, therefore, increasingly important that our students cultivate an appreciation for, and an understanding of, other cultures. Arthur and Yvonne Liu and the other members of the Liu Foundation Board recognize this. The Liu Multicultural Scholarships will encourage graduate students at the Newhouse School to engage in the exploration of other cultures, and to use their communications skills to educate a media audience desperately in need of a worldwide perspective. It is no exaggeration to say that our future depends on it."

A native of China and longtime resident of Taiwan, Arthur Liu graduated from the Newhouse School with a master's degree in public communications in 1966. He then built a media empire that now includes more than 30 radio stations, three cable networks and a weekly publication. Liu's Multicultural Radio Broadcasting, Inc. broadcasts daily in dozens of languages and has stations across the U.S., including major cities such as New York, Dallas, Los Angeles and Seattle. Yet Liu remains cognizant of the challenges faced by those starting out. "I am basically a very simple man and a practical one," Liu says. "I know only too well that without financial support, a good education and therefore, a rewarding job, can be difficult to attain. I had to work 60 hours a week to support my graduate studies; now I seem to be in the position to help others devote more undivided time to their studies."

In 2001, the American Advertising Federation named Liu as an inaugural honoree of its Mosaic Awards. The awards were created to recognize industry trailblazers who have contributed significantly to the evolution of multicultural marketing and advertising, as well as celebrating extraordinary achievements in diversity.

The S.I. Newhouse School of Public Communications at Syracuse University is one of the largest and most respected professional communications schools in the nation. Its faculty includes industry leaders and internationally known scholars and researchers. Its degree programs are consistently ranked amongst the best in the U.S. and include advertising, broadcast journalism, magazine, newspaper, public relations, television-radio-film and visual and interactive communications. The school is also recognized for its prominent and highly successful network of alumni.

Students applying for admission to Newhouse in Summer/Fall 2004 may apply for a Liu Foundation Multicultural Scholarship. Visit the Newhouse website.
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 02:43 PM
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9. He donated money to Rick Lazio's campaign.
That tells me all I need to know about the hump.

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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 02:44 PM
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10. Not to mention Alphonse D'Amato
Edited on Wed Apr-14-04 02:55 PM by wndycty
:kick:
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Another Bill C. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 02:39 PM
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6. National Association of Broadcasters
http://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/lookup2.asp?strID=C00009985&cycle=2004

"Contributions from this PAC to federal candidates (list recipients)
(33% to Democrats, 67% to Republicans)"
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 02:41 PM
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8. OOP's ...on second thought, GE Got to Him...that might be the connection.
Creating a Chinese Radio Empire in America
... n little Taiwan, jam packed with its own media, not many people have heard of Arthur
Liu, a man from Taiwan now living in the United States who owns 30 radio ...
www.taiwanheadlines.gov.tw/features/20011030f3.html - 16k - Cached - Similar pages
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GE Commercial Finance's Global Media & Communications Unit ...
... The GE Commercial Finance/Global Media & Communications ... structure, timely delivery
of financing, and syndication expertise," said Arthur Liu, President and CEO ...
biz.yahoo.com/bw/040330/305171_1.html - 11k - Cached - Similar pages
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 02:45 PM
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11. Pssst. Check his wife Yvonne Liu's donations.
Edited on Wed Apr-14-04 02:53 PM by Lex
Just for kicks and giggles.

LIU, YVONNE
NEW YORK,NY 10128



Giuliani, Rudolph W

Republican National Cmte

National Republican Congressional Cmte

Lazio, Rick A

Bush, George W


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President Jesus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 02:53 PM
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15. here's a link...MUST SEE
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 02:53 PM
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16. Oh you are talking about this??? Interesting!
LIU, YVONNE
NEW YORK,NY 10128
MULTICULTURAL ORG
10/13/1999
$1,000
Giuliani, Rudolph W

LIU, YVONNE S
NEW YORK,NY 10128
9/14/2000
$1,500
Republican National Cmte

LIU, YVONNE S MRS
NEW YORK,NY 10128
4/6/2001
$500
National Republican Congressional Cmte

LIU, YVONNE S Y,
6/30/2000
$1,000
Lazio, Rick A

LIU, YVONNE S Y MRS
NEW YORK,NY 10128
MULTICULTURAL RADIO BROADCAST/VICE
10/12/1999
$1,000
Bush, George W

http://www.opensecrets.org/indivs/search.asp?NumOfThou=0&txtName=Liu%2C+Yvonne&txtState=%28all+states%29&txtZip=&txtEmploy=&txtCand=&txt2004=Y&txt2002=Y&txt2000=Y&Order=N
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 03:32 PM
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51. UNF-INBELIEVABLE!!!!!!!!!!! n/t
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 02:55 PM
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19. OMFG!!!!!
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maveric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 02:48 PM
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12. Could you give me some info on the shutdown?
And how did he do it? I havent heard anything about this.
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 02:50 PM
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13. Go Here
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 02:52 PM
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14. From bartcop forum:
Edited on Wed Apr-14-04 02:52 PM by robbedvoter
FreshLaundry    
http://bartcopnation.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=2&topic_id=282287&mesg_id=282319&page=

In LA & Chicago
Mr. Arthur Lou of 'multicultural broadcasting' stole some money from Air America?
They had handed him some more checks, and then said, wait! please explain about this before cashing these checks.
They were double-charging both Air America and another station at the same time.
Supposed to be in negotiations.
But they now find that they are off the air before any negotiating happened.
They are filing litigation, they have copies of every check and contract, solid case. Looking for 'temporary restraining order' to remove the harm being done - i.e. get it back on the air NOW, you are hurting our revenue.
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CynicalOne Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 02:54 PM
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17. I believe AAR's version of events. No matter what.
I mean, sure we are only hearing AAR's version of events on
their station, but what the heck. Their lawyer simply MUST be
telling the truth, right?

I want people to imagine the following:

General Electric sues XYZ corporation. NBC (owned by GE)
starts reporting on the suit, only interviews GE people and
attorneys and only speak about how XYZ is horrible and how GE
is saintly.

Now, you'd be screaming about "corporation media"
and "bias" and "not getting the whole
story". You'd also not believe a lick of it.

But AAR's version of events? Swallowed whole, no critical
thought, no analysis, no "Hey, maybe they are just
accentuating their own case and glossing over any part of
this that might make them look bad."

I'm not saying AAR's 100% full of it, I'm not saying this Leu
(sp?) guy is spotless and pure as snow. I am saying that it
is really ironic that people who listen to AAR claim the are
sick of monolithic, biased media giving only one side of the
story....and then proceed to listen to one side of the story and
decided "This is fact, anything to the contrary being a
lie."
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 02:54 PM
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18. Dude...
We got it the first time.
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 02:58 PM
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22. We're nice to the new folks @ DU, so Play Nice...n/t
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 02:56 PM
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20. Did you go to the George W. Bush School
Edited on Wed Apr-14-04 02:56 PM by Lex
of clarity?






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theoceansnerves Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 02:58 PM
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21. so.
how many times are you gonna copy and paste the exact same message?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 02:59 PM
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24. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
tkmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 03:12 PM
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31. Welcome to DU
:hi:
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Columbia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 02:59 PM
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23. So your allegation is that
Liu is a GOP henchman who preplanned the leasing of his stations to AAR and knowingly planned to pull the plug on it later on for spite? This guy has been doing radio for many, many years, why would he jeopardize all that to be accused of "double-dipping" a relatively insignificant amount or sabotaging a liberal network he profits from? Doesn't make sense people, sorry.
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 03:00 PM
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25. No allegation. . .just research. . .
:kick:
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 03:00 PM
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26. He's been double-dipping the airtime and is a crook.
And he's a republican.

I'm sure he's not been happy with AAR kicking republican ass all day long.

I can do the math.




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Columbia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 03:04 PM
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27. Can you really?
If what you say is true, why would he lease the time to them in the first place? And how do you know he was truly double-dipping? I have seen no evidence of that whatsover. And it would not make sense for him to do so in the first place.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 03:07 PM
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28. I agree
He may be a Republican, but he is Chinese... and, being married to a Chinese woman, I can say that Chinese are generally bottom line people. If Mr. Liu can make more money by selling to liberals than he can with his regular programming, he will sell to liberals.
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 03:10 PM
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30. Sounds like he planned to sell the airtime TWICE.
Which would really be making him some nice dough, eh?


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Columbia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 03:15 PM
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33. No, it wouldn't
He owns dozens of stations and deals with hundreds of millions of dollars in his business. He has absolutely nothing to gain by engaging in a potentially criminal activity and everything to lose.
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 03:18 PM
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36. Is his company in bankruptcy?
Do you know? Seriously, I read on another thread that his company might be in receivership, and that might be the root of the problem.


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Columbia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 03:21 PM
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39. Even if it was
Double-dipping would only hurt his finances when the parties involved find out. There is absolutely no reason for him to engage in such activity whether his business was doing well or not. Either way, he would lose money.
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 03:33 PM
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52. Going by that logic
Edited on Wed Apr-14-04 03:34 PM by Lex

which is "why would he engage in illegal activity that would hurt his business?"

then no big business owner would ever intentionally engage in unlawful practices which, if found out, would ultimately harm their business.

Can't buy that.

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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 03:22 PM
Response to Reply #36
41. I read something about bankruptcy - but about the stations
not necessarily about his company. Also haven't seen that item anywhere else - so don't know that there is any validity to it.
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 03:09 PM
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29. Well, let's see . . .
Liu said AAR was "bouncing checks" but AAR says they have a copy of each of the checks they've written and they've bounced no checks. AAR's lawyer asked them NOT to cash anymore checks until Liu dealt with selling the double airtime.

Why would AAR ask him to stop selling airtime to them and someone else if it wasn't true?

Why would this Liu fellow say AAR bounced checks if they haven't?

Has Liu denied double-dipping the air time?


Sorry, I'll believe AAR's lawyer's statements over Liu's actions right now, thankyouverymuch.

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Columbia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 03:18 PM
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35. Have you seen these checks?
Just because they have a copy of the checks doesn't mean they were cashed. It just means they have a copy of them.

Find me one reason that Mr. Liu would sacrifice all the work he has done over the years in his multi-million dollar business for something so insignificant.
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 03:19 PM
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37. The attorney has copies of all the cancelled checks.
You know, the ones that went through the bank and come back to you?

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Columbia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 03:23 PM
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43. Which is it?
You say they were cancelled checks now, but earlier you said AAR told Liu not to cash the checks since they put a stop on them. If that was the case, they would not have been cancelled, but stopped. So which is it now?
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 03:29 PM
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48. Listen closely.
Liu said AAR "bounced checks" to him, according to what I read.

AAR's lawyer said "no checks bounced" and that he has copies of all the checks that were cashed by Liu. AAR's lawyer further said that they had asked Liu not to cash any more checks until the dispute about the airtime was resolved.

Ergo, no bounced checks.

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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 03:35 PM
Response to Reply #48
54. the two are not mutually exclusive
(this is really in response to Columbia's questions... but a tag along to your response).

1) Money paid (earlier)... = (alleged) cashed checks at AAR

2) Controversy (not sure what the nature is... AAR says company is taking double payment... Liu (sp) says bounced checks)... = (alleged) bounced checks

3) AAR claims that amid the controversy (whatever it is) they held payment (ergo no bounced checks) while Liu claims bounced checks. There should be a record ala receipts of bounced checks (including notification to AAR of charges for writing checks for insufficient funds.)

Thus having the cashed checks records does not contradict the story of withholding payment. Doesn't, in and of itself, prove their story either.
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Columbia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 03:38 PM
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57. Thanks for the explanation salin
I just think there is more information out there we don't know about yet. Maybe by the end of the day it will be more clear.
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 03:41 PM
Response to Reply #57
61. Agreed Columbia.
I'm eager for more facts. Another thread shows that thesmokingun.com now has the petition for the TRO up.


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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 03:41 PM
Response to Reply #57
62. oh were it to be resolved so openly and so quickly
I think there is definitely missing information - but that it may take a little while to sort out.
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 03:20 PM
Response to Reply #35
38. OK I am sure Mr. Liu can provide proof the checks bounced. . .
. . .if I was Air America's lawyers I would encourage him to.
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 03:22 PM
Response to Reply #35
42. Are you the person who posted about their not being any Black hosts on AAR
just wanna know...
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Columbia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 03:23 PM
Response to Reply #42
44. Nope
I never said there were no black hosts on AAR
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 03:28 PM
Response to Reply #44
46. You're right I stand corrected, There weren't enough Black hosts @ AAR..
I found the post via search. I just wanted to know. No Biggie...
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Columbia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 03:30 PM
Response to Reply #46
49. Correct
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CynicalOne Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 03:13 PM
Response to Reply #26
32. In other words, believe only AAR's version.
AAR's verision must be truth. No matter what.

So what if the whole story isn't in yet, if you are only hearing AAR's version from AAR's own attorney on AAR.

They aren't biased or anything. No.

If ABC ran a story about a lawsuit involving Disney, I'd be highly suspect.

Yet you accept as gospel AAR's story about a lawsuit involving AAR.

Ok.
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 03:16 PM
Response to Reply #32
34. Well, friend, I'll believe whomever's story I like.
Arthur Liu, Rick Lazio supporter?

or

AirAmericaRadio's lawyer?

--------------

We'll see who turns out to be full of it, okay?




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revcarol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 03:25 PM
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45. They have a contract dispute in LA and he cuts Chicago off the air?
That alone is enough to raise suspicions about Liu.Blackmail, holding the network hostage, unfair business practices, call it what you will.
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 03:29 PM
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47. HELL - YEAH!!!!!!!!! BABY! n/t
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 03:22 PM
Response to Reply #26
40. Ahhhh.....
"I'm sure he's not been happy with AAR kicking republican ass all day long."

Is that why he was the very first broadcaster to lease them air time?

http://www.mediaweek.com/mediaweek/headlines/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=2067233

Or maybe he's a liberal plant. Give them lease time, then create a legal kerfuffle thereby increasing AA's visability possibly generating sympathy as "outlaw" radio. ;-)

It seems that there is a problem with the LA station and Mr. Liu is using the Chicago station as leverage. At least according to Garafolo.



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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 03:32 PM
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50. Perhaps he leased them airtime
because he intended all along to double-dip the airtime, and when he was called on it by AAR, he pulled the plug.

I'm sure the facts will come out.


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Columbia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 03:35 PM
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53. Again
Why would he try to double-dip? It obviously wouldn't work.
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 03:37 PM
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55. Again too.
Your argument which is "why would he do something illegal which would harm his company in the end" makes no sense, at least to me.

Business owners, even big business owners, engage in illegal practices all the time that if they are uncovered, it will spell trouble and ruin for their company.

That story is as old as time. Hand caught in cookie jar. Business and reputation ruined.

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Columbia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 03:40 PM
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59. This is a radio station
You can easily tell if one network is broadcast and another is not. How could he have possibly thought he would get away with it? This is someone who has worked in the business for a long, long time.
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 03:42 PM
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63. Well, he didn't get away with it.
I don't know how he thought he could, or what the details are on what AAR objected to.

I'll be glad when the details do come out, though.

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Columbia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 03:46 PM
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66. Me too
"I'll be glad when the details do come out, though."
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 03:38 PM
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56. not claiming that he did
but individuals and businesses do it all the time... all comes down to the presumption of whether or not one can get away with it.

Standing alone it is not enough reason (the why would he do it) to assume it didn't (or did) happen.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 03:41 PM
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60. Hopefully...
"I'm sure the facts will come out."

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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 03:39 PM
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58. The number for the bad guys in L.A. is (626)855-8882
Edited on Wed Apr-14-04 03:47 PM by genius
Call and complain
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 03:44 PM
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64. Verify number please...too many digits. n/t
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 03:44 PM
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65. oops! n/t
Edited on Wed Apr-14-04 03:44 PM by xultar
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