The mystery of Bush revealed

Today a colleague, whom I respect, asked me if I saw last evening's press conference. I said I had and that I wasn't impressed. I didn't go into particulars. I asked her what she thought.

"I thought Bush was great. I think he speaks to us plainly. He's strong and reassures us. I didn't listen to what he was saying. I just know from looking at him."

I must be living in a parallel universe.

What the hell is wrong with people? :puke:

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the ignorance of the general population....and it works, doesn't it?

It is an axiom of history that such despiccable people seldom retain their undeserved freedom for long.

And was their triumph ever nearer than at the very moment when restored monarchy thought itself more firmly settled than ever?

The Eighteenth Brumaire
Karl Marx

http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1852/germany/ch01.htm

n/t

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Damn, yer colleague is deaf, dumb and blind!

Anybody that didn't see a bumbling idiot last night is either (a) a bumbling idiot also, or (b) still under the spell of The Tie.

a leader who can project confidence and victory and optimism, bolstered by a media echo chamber that further promotes that image, wins over a disturbingly large number of semi- or less- informed voters.

yet another thing that hitler also knew. interesting....

just as reagan, bush can say outright lies, incohrent half-truths, whatever. as long as he carries himself like he's right, people will buy it. being a pathological liar works great for this model of a presidency.

Monsters like the Busheviks. Like Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Ferd Marcos, Baby Doc, Idi Amin, etc.

Always.

You are correct and things just don't change, do they, in that regard?

Did 9/11 really change everything, as they say--
Or are a large number of Americans really this idiotic?

America knows this is all about oil and
their (our) standard of living.

as soon as I saw that, I listened from another part of the room and never stared at the screen again...

TRUST THE TIE
EMBRACE THE TIE
LOVE THE TIE
THE TIE KNOWSS
TRUST THE TIE
TRUST THE TIE.....

Good one!

I kept having to turn my head away, too.

Mugatu: Kill the Prime Minister of Malaysia !!!

(I love that movie)

Because he is severly challenged with speaking and does not hide his lies or ignorance very well... What the hell does she know just by looking at this guy?

Kind of like germany in the 30's. People were inspired by Hitler's oratorial skills and many didnt listen to what he was saying that closely. If they were listening they may not have supported him and his war.

This is so F***ing scary folks!

Our Job is to wake up Neurons on a massive scale. We need group therapy, a potion of sorts, whatever.

America needs to wake up.

I've met Democrats out there who describe chimpy as looking "Presidential." It isn't just the core repugs. Many do not look beneath the surface. Chimpy's handler's know that and are banking on that fact to ride to victory in November.

Miller believes that Bush’s problem is deeper than
mere dyslexia, or what he calls Bush’s “West Texas
ebonics.”  It’s deeper, too, than simple ignorance. 
Bush’s problem is that he’s an anti-intellectual, and thus
he plays very well on television.  Although TV is an
excellent advertising medium, it detests reasoned
discourse and instead focuses attention on the visual and
the trivial, such as Ross Perot’s big ears, Al Gore’s
robotic gestures, or any woman’s hair style.  Writes Miller: 
"The networks' journalistic stars go on and on and on about
the politicians' failure or success at pleasing--or at
not displeasing--viewers.  …such interminable yakking
tells us nothing, dwelling on details of bearing, posture,
voice, and makeup, instead of dealing with what anybody
did, said, or failed to say."  Put another way, our TV
culture reduces "all discussion to the level of the taste-
test, wherein 'likeability' is all that counts."

http://www.theemailactivist.org/Dyslexicon.htm

makes an opinion? Seems like so many people do not use their own eyes and ears, but wait to hear what they should think from the media or some other person.

it's called fundamentalism. It's called knowing you are right, and your Leader-God is right and that way no thinking is called for.

Lazy ass believers!

To believe without question is easy, I believe that's what the terrorists are doing.

Something about his tie was messing with my TV it came out scintillating psychedelically. Saw some clips on a different TV later and saw the same effect.

Maybe if your focus was distracted from his eyes, which had even worse eye contact than the usual teleprompter setups, then he would appear to have some strength.

But I don't see how anyone could watch him during the Q&A and get a good impression at all. His body language was all like "please don't hit me" and any kind of thinking is clearly painful for him.

Seriously - did anyone else get a headache from that damn tie? Looked like it had red and blue rolling across it whenever it was pointed directly at the camera.

No one at the WH thought to look at a monitor during rehearsals to see how it looked?

He doesn't get to pick his own clothes. It was the costume designer's choice and they know these things will play on the TV like that. I think it was to distract attention away from the fact that he's turning into Pat Robertson.

She sounds like a stupid twit

I'm just very puzzled by her viewpoint. She said right after the quote above that she's just not into politics. One of these days I'll get to talk to her about it. At the time, I had to get back to chaperoning the school store and she had to get back to hall duty. Teachers don't get to talk to each other much.

This person is a great teacher and parent. Her way of dealing with the political arena is suspect in my view, but why should I not respect her?

Honestly, there is something wrong with the mental faculties of someone who thinks like that. She seems to be one of those teachers who proclaims "I learn more from the kids than they do from me"...and it's likely the truth (not just a treacly platitude)

It's easy to simply call somebody an idiot. Our problem (Bush as empty actor, form over substance) is even scarier and harder to remediate because she's not an idiot. There are otherwise intelligent people falling for this.

(On edit - grammar correction, because, well, I'm a teacher!)

that if she's going to just go by looks, that maybe she shouldn't vote.

..to talk to her further about this. I'm planning on approaching it by talking about how our two Bushes (we have to contend with Jeb, too) have affected education.

and PLEASE don't flame me for this...
She's probably religious. Facts will not matter if she has been raised and is supported in her belief in mere symbols and ideology. Bush doesn't have to show PROOF, faith is enough.

I have also found that single issue voters (i.e. NRA types and anti-choice types) are for Bush, whether they believe in democratic social contracts or not.

of what a person says. She judges on "appearance".

That is frightening on so many levels.

Is that how she grades students? On "appearance" instead of "content". Do all the popular kids get A's even if they dont' do any work?

Is she related to the teachers and professors who passed * through the school system and then the university system.

In a friendly way. "You know, I've been thinking about what you said, and it kind of bothers me. Here's why...(as a teacher, blah blah blah)"

maybe have an excerpt or two of his actual speech and hand it to her.

Then again, how anyone could think that he even looks "presidential" is just beyond me. And I mean...as opposed to whom? And why? It's not like his predecessors were all standing up there in a clown suit and throwing their legs over their head screaming WOOGA WOOGA WOOGA! Standards, people! Anyone can put on a blue suit and frown into the camera! Even though Bush comes dangerously close to even screwing that up!

and tell this intelligent friend of yours to make sure to vote on November 5th.

:)

:)

The actual content of *'s words wasn't the issue -- the smiling and joking, and the type of clothes he wore, were the REAL message.

They Just Don't Want to Know; Of Dissidents and Dissonance
By Ben Tripp

Cognitive dissonance is when you find out the woman you just took back to your hotel is really a man_and you didn't get the corporate discount on the room. Another example of cognitive dissonance is when an entire nation, with world peace in the balance, throws its support behind a bunch of guys who turn out to be lying. In other words, cognitive dissonance is the agony of learning something new that contradicts what you already know. But that's not all: cognitive dissonance is also when you learn something new that contradicts what you already know, so you discount the entire subject as unimportant. "Yeah, he cheats on me when he travels," she pules. "Who cares, as long as I get the frequent flier miles?" America is suffering from a bad case of cognitive dissonance, and it explains a lot- unfortunately, not to Americans.


<snip>

America invaded another nation, unscrewed its head and took a giant dump down its neck--unprovoked. Confronted with the singularly un-American nature of this exploit, our leaders responded by claiming we had to do it-- because this enemy nation was aiming a vast artillery of deadly weapons designed especially to kill blonde people at us. I don't think all that many people really believed it, not really really. But they went along with it, because to confront the real reasons for such aimless aggression would be too horrible for their fragile worldviews and patriotic self-images to bear. When the 'WMD' bit turned out not to be true, the rationale switched to exporting American Democracy by force. Which is an oxymoron, a common symptom of cognitive dissonance. You cannot force someone to be free, any more than you can teach them a lesson by killing them (note to self). I don't think many Americans cared at that point; Bush said it, I believe it, that settles it. Easier to just agree than actually question the whole mess. Bush and his buddies were counting on this. Long before the American people had any idea why we were supposed to attack Iraq, it was clear to the cabal at the top that we would agree to the adventure under any damn pretext-- because there were so many Americans deep in the throes of denial about what was happening already (the erosion of rights, theft of elections, evaporation of opportunity, and suchlike fiddle-faddle). Too bad it's true.

The beauty part of cognitive dissonance is the worse it gets, the more people throw up and say "who cares?" In this way such public works projects as genocide and empire-building can be accomplished, because people refuse to care. It's too damn demanding, too scary, and too damaging to that ever-threatened bird called Self Esteem. But this is the time to take a good long look at your mindset, before things get so awful you find yourself goose-stepping down the Reichsparteitag rather than face the facts. Are you in a state of cognitive dissonance? Does the evidence of your senses not jibe with what you've been told is The Way Things Are? Do you find yourself redefining what is important to exclude what you don't want to believe? Are you angry at people who demand you think about issues you consider closed? Do you often find yourself wondering why everybody but real Americans are wrong? Do you believe there is one set of rules for America and a different set of rules for the rest of the world, and that America should enforce both of them? Are you a red-faced witless baboon?

http://www.opednews.com/Tripp_they_just_don.htm

See also:

Brainwashing America
by Dr. Norman Livergood

Personality Profiling and Simulation

In an earlier article, I reviewed the varied aspects of personality profiling and simulation. While serving as Head of the Artificial Intelligence Department at the U.S. Army War College, 1993-1995, I conducted studies on profiling, psychological programming, and brainwashing. I explored and developed personality simulation systems, an advanced technology used in military war games, FBI profiling, political campaigning, and advertising. Part of my discovery was that:


unenlightened human minds are combinations of infantile beliefs and emotional patterns

these patterns can be simulated in profiling systems

these profiling systems can be used to program and control people

Personality simulation systems are being used to create political campaigns that apply voter profiles to control their voting behavior. TV commercials and programs use personality simulation to profile viewers to control their purchasing and viewing behaviors. And sophisticated propaganda and brainwashing techniques are being used by the Bush junta to keep American citizens under control. (my emphasis /jc)

http://www.hermes-press.com/brainwash1.htm

..and I believe it describes exactly what is happening here.

Whom the Gods Would Destroy


Bush’s crippled style indicates more than a problem
of articulation. It indicates a lack of thought, a lack of
focus, a disconnection between the words and the realities
for which they are counters. And that betrays an inability
to encompass the big picture, to grasp the essential
elements of the situation, which is the sine qua non of
good leadership and administration. Every
successful statesman (and soldier) that I can think in
history has been eloquent (though often laconic) in crisis,
for eloquence is simply clear thought. In the President we
have not a lack of articulateness, but a lack even of
simple plain-speaking shrewdness.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/wilson6.html

yeah..and maybe his ear device was not receiving properly..lol

you must have been reading my mind. as soon as i read the first post of the thread, it was cognitive dissonance all the way. *ush is no different than most americans - they don't want to THINK.

I'd have a hard time mustering any respect for anybody after a comment like that.

See post 23

"He speaks to us plainly in words we can understand." Duoh! I find I don't understand a lot of what he says and I don't think he does either. Speaking in generalities, grasping for words and then offering platitudes and saying phrases that have nothing to do with the topic is not speaking plainly to me, IMO.

"He speaks to us plainly in words we can understand."

... would be along the lines:

"Isn't that what they said about Hitler?"

Reflect the potential ramifications of their shortsightedness back at 'em whenever possible....

I think people who say this are parroting what they've been told to think.

How many self-respecting people would BRAG about being dumb?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=1404144&mesg_id=1404681

He certainly appealed to his base (which might be 35%). It reminded me of a time back in 1973, when Nixon was in the hot seat. I was sitting in a bar (in Alabama) watching the Trickster lie-lie-lie on TV. I was disgusted. Suddenly, a lady sitting near me gushed, "I just love that man!"

Same mentality. :puke:

Lots of liberals in that town then. Everytime Nixon spoke, everyone hooted, hollered and booed. The "I am not a crook" speech gave me my best happy hour take ever. That's how many people despised Nixon and came into the bar during happy hour so they wouldn't miss the news on the commute home.

mystified. Its clear she is very scared of another 9/11 and thinks Bush
will protect us. I ask her is she had been following the 9/11 investigation
and she said that alot of what they said seemed biased. I said most of
it was from the Bush Administrations own documents and mentioned the
Aug. 6th memo. She said it didn't state exactly what would happen. I said
that it is the Administrations job to put 2 and 2 together. I ended by saying
I thought Bush meant well but was not qualified for the job. She said
neither was Kerry. It ended there as I was leaving for the day.

This women is clearly into politics. Its amazing she can be so uninformed
about Bush's reality. Its clear she feels like we (Americans) are the under-
dog (!) and Bush is an underdog too, that makes her like him.
Everyone is out to get him, poor guy.

I don't know how to reach these people.

Bush has a sizable religious following who really think he is doing the work of God. God is always right. Automatically this puts anyone with a different opinion as working against Bush, against the will of the Almighty.

It does not matter any more what he says. His faithful followers believe Bush is on a holy mission to get the world rid of evil.

Or maybe that psychedelic tie did the trick!

and they said "I thought it was good. He's just not a very good speaker. You just know whatever he says he says from the heart and believes it."

Mindless twit. Never talk politics with this woman again.

http://www.renanabrooks.com/publications.html

nuf said..

the article mentions ahnold. he uses the same techiques as *ush, which is how he won here...this explains a lot.

do you respect this person? Blindly following a man known to be a liar who is sacrificing lives by his stubborness and hubris is not serving our fine country. It's time to call these "good Germans" on their involvement with a dangerous regime. I don't think these people are laudatory. Quite the opposite.

"He makes me feel smart..."

"He makes me feel safe..."


From reading about all these people here, I weep for our nation.

*sigh*

He obviously voted for him.

You should ask the co-worker:

Besides voting for Bush; How many other mistakes have YOU made?

How does she feel reassured by just looking at him?

That is it. We do not need debates or to listen to them speak anymore, they don't have to do anything, we will just put pictures of bushie and Kerry on the tv screen for a hour once a week and we can vote for the one that gives us the warm fuzzies.

Same reason. he looks nice.
Who needs words?

How can anyone sanely look???

I asked friend if he wanted to read 191 lies by Bush.

He said "no way. He is my man".

Sound like Germany and Hitler. Exact.

you know what that sounds like? a rabid sports fan. that is our culture. you're a winner or a loser, ain't no in between...

Shameful but true. Most are just dumb.

Lest Bush fails to remember his mistakes, again!

complete denial

make "good Germans". I remember thinking when I was a boy concerning WWII (the war my father fought in)was how could the people of Germany let it happen? I have that same feeling creeping in now about my own country and it bothers me everyday.

STUPID.

Then how does she know that he spoke clearly. I smell a liar.

Well, I have this feeling that Americans who have drunk the Koolaid or seen the tie don't even realize it. They have been conditioned to this type of thinking. We don't need leaders. We just need Models. An God, what an awful one to pick. His hair looked like it was going to fly off his head. Bad hair day indeed. A democrat must have cut it because with that tie and his bumbling and his hair cut, he looked more like an escapee from Barnum Bailey than a so called Leader giving a press conference. As a former DJ, I can tell you that dead time with not being able to think of a mistake was making those control folks nervous. I bet they wre ready to put in a tape of Jeopardy music. They used to call them carts instead of tape but either way, Jeopardy would have been appropriate and then when he spoke, someone should have grabbed the mike and said, "Time Up. What is, " I made no mistakes"...Geesh. This woman is teaching?
Teaching...what class? I sure hope its not political science.

The other day, Randi Rhodes revealed some sort of unspeakable fantasy involving the executive codpiece. ****SHUDDER****

are why we have as president like this. :dunce: