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baronessniki

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Wed Apr-14-04 05:37 PM
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Giving up land that you stole is something to brag about?

Edited on Wed Apr-14-04 05:38 PM by baronessniki

So Sharon says they are giving up land to the Palestinians and our media is spinning that as a noble jesture? Israel is occupying Palestinian territory and now says they will give them some land back. I just don't get it.

Anyone here think this will help the ME situation and gain us any friends among the Arabs.

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displacedtexan

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Wed Apr-14-04 05:38 PM
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1. 1948

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La Lioness Priyanka

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Wed Apr-14-04 05:39 PM
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2. i dont either....

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aquart

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Wed Apr-14-04 05:43 PM
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3. What would YOU give the Arabs to make them like us?

Let's hear a plan.

WHICH land are you talking about, by the way? The land bought and paid for by the Zionists, the borders ratified in 1948, the land won in the wars? You are so vague I don't quite understand your position.

Do you?

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liberalhistorian

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Wed Apr-14-04 05:54 PM
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6. How about not stealing their land,

and livelihoods, not destroying their towns and farmland, treating every single one of them, including children, like they're all terrorists when most are nothing of the sort, building a wall that divides their land, villages, and cuts them off from their jobs and families, etc., etc.?

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Mountainman

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Wed Apr-14-04 05:45 PM
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4. This may not be popular but I never did accept the birth of Israel

I was only two years old then but from what I've heard, the Palestinians were considered nomads and did not own "land" as we think of it. It seems a lot like the Native Americans in this country. So the State of Israel was created out of land that the nomad Palestinians lived on.

Now was that a fair thing to do? Was it fair what happened to the Native Americans? In both cases I think the nomads or original occupiers were seen as less of a people than the new occupiers were. They were just in the way.

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liberalhistorian

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Wed Apr-14-04 05:51 PM
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5. I didn't used to believe that,

but now I do, there's just no way around it anymore. And the settlers are taking more and more land that they have no right to take, and in the process are making the Palestinians who live on and make their living off the land homeless and destitute. But who cares, they're just A-rabs, right?

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rockymountaindem

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Wed Apr-14-04 05:59 PM
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7. That isn't true.

British tour guides from the 1800's say that the population of Jerusalem was 40,000 Jews, 13,000 Christians and 7,000 Muslims. When Mark Twain visited in the 1870's, he said that he traveled for days without seeing a single inhabitant. He described the place as a wasteland. What's more, the land was officially owned by the Ottoman Empire, itself an imperial Turkish empire which was then dominating much of the Arab world.

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sandnsea

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Wed Apr-14-04 05:59 PM
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8. That's why they created Jordan

Which is ten times the size of Israel. Now is now and then is then. Any agreement has to treat the Palestinians who are alive today fairly. Whether the land was stolen or won in a war or however the hell it ended up the way it is today doesn't matter. A fair resolution matters. Until I know exactly which settlements Sharon is wanting to keep and whether Arafat has agreed to this before, I won't make a judgment. But whatever happened 50 years ago or last year needs to be let go of. We'll never get peace over there if we keep going down that path.

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cornfedyank

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Wed Apr-14-04 06:01 PM
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9. the place will not calm down

if you look at this series of historic maps, you will see that the arabs got shoved to the side.

what bothered me when i heard it was that * said they deserve a jewish state. not a democratic state, but a religious state. answer me this. why does that right to choose a religious over a democratic state ok for one but not the other??? like iraq or iran
there will not be peace in that area as long as old men point and say "that is where i used to live until they took it".

wage peace----it's cheaper in the long run.

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