How was the Biden-Lugar bill the same as the IWR?

I hear this over and over again from the anti-Dean crowd, but they have yet to explain why (if it was so much the same) Congress dumped it and went for the IWR? Why would they need to if it was the same?

Just doesn't make any sense to me,



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but you will have to print it to read it.

www.back-to-iraq.com/archives/Files/RL31596.pdf

so it's not the same thing at all is it?

So why do the anti-Dean people keep saying it is the same thing? Why did Congress drop it and go with the IWR instead if they're right? Still doesn't make any sense to me,

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they compare five resolutions, but which one is the one they voted on? I assume it was the one labeled H.J. Res. 114, but was that the final res w/o the other four ammendments?

Sorry, but this comparison is more confusing than helpful,

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Yes, the issue is complex.

They are similar, but they are not the same. While each is relatively lax in what is required for authorization, Biden/Lugar requires a written determination that Iraq is a threat for authorization without UN sanction and it limits the authorization to disarming Iraq. For those reasons, it's better than the IWR. Biden/Lugar is not by any means a good piece of legislation beyond its humble virtue of being better than the IWR. Biden/Lugar was dropped because some Dems ran to the president's side in an election year and pulled the neogotiating rug out from everyone else. Hard to negotiate when the president already has the votes for his 'we authorize you, go do it'. :(

Passing Biden/Lugar would not have much limited the president in terms of what he has done so far, however. He still likely would have obtained the authorization since the whole of Congress had already received determinations of 'threat' from phony witnesses and scrubbed intel briefings. But we'll never know, and I'd rather have Biden/Lugar than the IWR.

the "written determination" is the part that interest me. To me that says, that the Prez couldn't say what he says now about why we went to war. We would have written proof instead of everyone else's say so now of why we went...

And then again, maybe not,

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