DU MKULTRA thread-let's talk about mind control, factually now.

:shrug:

:shrug:

this issue...and weapons in space..."mind control" "tectonic weapons" and "chemtrails"...
http://www.fas.org/sgp/congress/2001/hr2977.html

HR 2977 IH


107th CONGRESS

1st Session

H. R. 2977
To preserve the cooperative, peaceful uses of space for the benefit of all humankind by permanently prohibiting the basing of weapons in space by the United States, and to require the President to take action to adopt and implement a world treaty banning space-based weapons.


IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

October 2, 2001
Mr. KUCINICH introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on Science, and in addition to the Committees on Armed Services, and International Relations, for a period to be subsequently determined by the Speaker, in each case for consideration of such provisions as fall within the jurisdiction of the committee concerned



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A BILL
To preserve the cooperative, peaceful uses of space for the benefit of all humankind by permanently prohibiting the basing of weapons in space by the United States, and to require the President to take action to adopt and implement a world treaty banning space-based weapons.


Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the `Space Preservation Act of 2001'.

SEC. 2. REAFFIRMATION OF POLICY ON THE PRESERVATION OF PEACE IN SPACE.

Congress reaffirms the policy expressed in section 102(a) of the National Aeronautics and Space Act of 1958 (42 U.S.C. 2451(a)), stating that it `is the policy of the United States that activities in space should be devoted to peaceful purposes for the benefit of all mankind.'.

SEC. 3. PERMANENT BAN ON BASING OF WEAPONS IN SPACE.

The President shall--

(1) implement a permanent ban on space-based weapons of the United States and remove from space any existing space-based weapons of the United States; and

(2) immediately order the permanent termination of research and development, testing, manufacturing, production, and deployment of all space-based weapons of the United States and their components.

SEC. 4. WORLD AGREEMENT BANNING SPACE-BASED WEAPONS.

The President shall direct the United States representatives to the United Nations and other international organizations to immediately work toward negotiating, adopting, and implementing a world agreement banning space-based weapons.

SEC. 5. REPORT.

The President shall submit to Congress not later than 90 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, and every 90 days thereafter, a report on--

(1) the implementation of the permanent ban on space-based weapons required by section 3; and

(2) progress toward negotiating, adopting, and implementing the agreement described in section 4.

SEC. 6. NON SPACE-BASED WEAPONS ACTIVITIES.

Nothing in this Act may be construed as prohibiting the use of funds for--

(1) space exploration;

(2) space research and development;

(3) testing, manufacturing, or production that is not related to space-based weapons or systems; or

(4) civil, commercial, or defense activities (including communications, navigation, surveillance, reconnaissance, early warning, or remote sensing) that are not related to space-based weapons or systems.

SEC. 7. DEFINITIONS.

In this Act:

(1) The term `space' means all space extending upward from an altitude greater than 60 kilometers above the surface of the earth and any celestial body in such space.

(2)(A) The terms `weapon' and `weapons system' mean a device capable of any of the following:

(i) Damaging or destroying an object (whether in outer space, in the atmosphere, or on earth) by--

(I) firing one or more projectiles to collide with that object;

(II) detonating one or more explosive devices in close proximity to that object;

(III) directing a source of energy (including molecular or atomic energy, subatomic particle beams, electromagnetic radiation, plasma, or extremely low frequency (ELF) or ultra low frequency (ULF) energy radiation) against that object; or

(IV) any other unacknowledged or as yet undeveloped means.

(ii) Inflicting death or injury on, or damaging or destroying, a person (or the biological life, bodily health, mental health, or physical and economic well-being of a person)--

(I) through the use of any of the means described in clause (i) or subparagraph (B);

(II) through the use of land-based, sea-based, or space-based systems using radiation, electromagnetic, psychotronic, sonic, laser, or other energies directed at individual persons or targeted populations for the purpose of information war, mood management, or mind control of such persons or populations; or

(III) by expelling chemical or biological agents in the vicinity of a person.

(B) Such terms include exotic weapons systems such as--

(i) electronic, psychotronic, or information weapons;

(ii) chemtrails;

(iii) high altitude ultra low frequency weapons systems;

(iv) plasma, electromagnetic, sonic, or ultrasonic weapons;

(v) laser weapons systems;

(vi) strategic, theater, tactical, or extraterrestrial weapons; and

(vii) chemical, biological, environmental, climate, or tectonic weapons.

(C) The term `exotic weapons systems' includes weapons designed to damage space or natural ecosystems (such as the ionosphere and upper atmosphere) or climate, weather, and tectonic systems with the purpose of inducing damage or destruction upon a target population or region on earth or in space.

The original HR2977 story
http://www.raven1.net/govptron.htm

"tectonic weapons: :scared:

This is what the RNC wants most of all, a return to Reagan's SDI-as if we haven't already a space weapons empire.
http://www.adacomp.net/~mcherney/starwars.html

Seriously, the physics required to make tectonic weapons viable just does not exist and is well beyond anything science is close too. We will have faster-then-light travel before we have viable tectonic weapons. You just need to know way, way, way, way to much extremely specific information about how rocks interact over a huge area miles and miles underground and then use an extreme amount of energy (alot more then any nuke every developed) with extreme accuracy to cause an earthquake.

Telsa was just blowing smoke because he was kind of crazy.

supressed Tesla equipment, but there is the curious case of more human experimentation on US military-the case of the U.S.S. Eldridge in WWII aka The Philadelphia Experiment-that sounds crazy--to experiment on US Navy members without their consent, to make a naval ship "invisible" to radar-but many real events sound ridiculous, at first.

Debunking that results to dismissal based on unprovable pathology doesn't work, my friend.

There was no independent verification that Telsa's "tectonic" weapon ever worked. None.

Go day-dream some more fantasies... they can make good sci-fi, but not much else.

George W. Bush says there is no global warming, too.

There was indeed a "Philadelphia Experiment" by the US Navy. That's a fact I suggest you search for yourself. That experiment may have involved Tesla equipment.

The use of weather modification and control has been making advances too. Lot's of directed energy weapons in late development, some sonic weapons deployed with USMC in Iraq-in fact, the company that got the contract for the sonic weapons, American Technology of San Diego, also holds US Patent on Silent Sound, a voice-to-skull communications system that literally puts voices inside your head-this was doable back in 1974. Again, a spin-off of mind control.
http://www.raven1.net/hssweapon.htm

http://www.raven1.net/atc-ag98.htm

http://www.raven1.net/5159703.htm

American Technology executives have engaged in insider trade.
http://biz.yahoo.com/t/14/1529.html

This is non-sensical. I was talking about tectonic weapons... the so-called "Tesla Howitzer" that in theory would cause earthquakes across the globe. I don't give a rats ass about your other links right now.

Defend your mythical earthquake gun that violates multiple laws of physics or retract your position.

that liquids would not compress, but they do...besides doesn't Tesla's equipment go to where quantum mechanics meets the unified field theory???

I'm a generalist that got an A in introductory statistics though, and I'm a trained observer too, there are exotic weapons based on directed energy, that's a known fact, some of them are space-based, that's denied by the US-I think they are capable of being used as tectonic weapons, and I wouldn't discount them entirely.

Tesla's equipment/theory violates the laws of Thermodynamics. They also ignore most of what we know about rock mechanics, tectonics and quantum mechanics.

To put it simply, what the "Tesla Howitzer" is supposed to do requires that a relatively small amount of energy will travel through the middle of the earth (thus causing some energy loss) and be able to move a tectonic plate enough to cause an earthquake.

There are many problems with this...

First: For this to work you would need to know exactly how the rocks of each tectonic plate were interacting down to almost a moleculer level. Simply put, we have neither the capability to acquire that data accurately nor do we have the means to compute that data in any kind of reasonable amount of time (ie, decades) should we be able to acquire it. We are also a very, very long ways off from having that kind of technology.

Second: Tectonic plates weigh an incredible amount. They are just about the most massive things you can imagine on earth. They are also in constant friction with each other and with the mantle below. To move one even a centimeter would require far more force then it would be feasable to use.

Think about it this way... Mount Everest is the tallest mountain on earth, do you think if we put 100 of our most powerful nukes that we would move Mount Everest? Sure we would blow up a good chunk of it, but the whole mountain itself wouldn't really move. Now maginify the size of Mt. Everest by a factor of 10,000. See where I'm going with this? It just require way to much energy to move a tectonic plate. Even our most powerful nukes detonated below ground have only caused localized tremors.


I can go on in more detail, but I don't feel that I need to. I am not a generalist. I have taken courses in quantum mechanics and I have friends who hold degrees in both physics and civil engineering (a masters with an emphasis in rock mechanics <- very relevant to this subject). I have held discussions with my friends regarding things like the tesla howitzer before (cause we're geeks) and it just does not work. It violates too many things that multiple independent research (including some done by my friend) has proven.


Edit: I don't want to come off as an ass or anything, but when people use bad science it just annoys me, so I like to set the record straight, thats all I'm doing.

Thats why I posted.

on quantum physics and now we do agree that regardless of the term used, human perception can be manipulated both overtly and covertly for political agendas, that's mind control. the CIA had 149 sub-projects of mind control research involving at least 80 institutions (source: CIA vs. Sims 1985 SCOTUS FOIA decision) the hidden persuaders, the medium is the message, brainwashing, behavior modification, psycho-correction, etc.

For somebody not meaning to come off as an ass you are doing quite a good job of it.

so tectonic weapons would so also be according to that statement.

Damn Sputnik.

This US military think tank article mentions that fact right up front-from 1998:
The Mind Has No Firewall
http://www.adacomp.net/~mcherney/thomas.html

There are many supporting facts pointing that this stuff never ended, and has been allowed to continue blanketed by the abuse of the "national security" blanket, heh?!

NSA hypnosis online
http://www.kimsoft.com/2000/nsa-psy.htm

ESP has been privatized, it was "researched" for over 20 years by US government and military too, if you got the psychic powers somebody's got a career opportunity for you today!
http://www.lfr.org/csl/index.shtml

"Sweet Dreams: LSD, the CIA and Mind Control". Goes into the history of MK-ULTRA and their experiments. They may not have succeeded in their original goals, that is in their original goal of bending one's will to extract truthful information and perhaps create a double agent, but it's a wild story.

Sid Gottlieb's poisoners and experimenters, google Frank Olson-he's been dead for awhile but his spirit is wanting to be heard, he's pissed at the Nazis in the CIA too!:grr:

(no pun intended!) I think the main problem with this field (& especially with the internet) is the noise -- a lot of the material was scrapped & what has eeked out through FOIA & the 70's congressional investigation doesn't really add up to a full picture so gets coloured with more lurid stuff (Manchurian candidate / Brice Taylor et al / UFOlogy etc). People hear about mkultra/artichoke/bluebird etc, google & then get taken to pretty much a whole heap of unsubstantiated poo. But this (& the related area of drug testing / extreme psychological experiments on the military) should come out -- in fact I'm sure we could all cope with a complete history of the technical services dept.

Personally, I think the CIA (& the DIA; as well as the KGB & numberous global alphabet agencies) tried their damndest & Gottleib was totally up for any form of experimentation whatever the ethics. Where this stopped is anybody's guess (for anyone's interest, the CIA say 73 after the Rockefeller commission sniffed them out), but I don't believe they suceeded in creating a stable agent (& yes, of course, they wouldn't admit this if they had, but hey, I'm naive!). The only possible example that wouldn't suprise me if evidence came to light (tho I don't accept it now) is RFK's assassination.

Onto books -- another excellent one -- & a really trippy ride -- is "The CIA's Mind Control of Candy Jones" by (slightly guessing) Donald Bain. I've also heard some of the hypnosis tapes & it's such a surreal but compelling case. There's also a decent book on Ewen Cameron called something like "My father & the CIA" written by the son of one of Cameron's patients. & finally, Frank Olsen's son Eric has got a website with a wealth of stuff -- http://www.frankolsonproject.org. But as I said above.

as well as liquidation during the days of the Huston plan and Operation CHAOS, discrediting and permanently silencing political enemies domestically spawned some horrible criminal things indeed many were used for "research" imho and experience.

chimpys tie from the other night? It was very hypnotic. :evilgrin:

raising ethical questions, fundamental ones, about the mind invasive technologies.

Mental health professionals have called for new diagnostic criteria for psychosis
http://www.adacomp.net/~mcherney/NewCrit-JPSS-CS2.htm

Military ethics
http://www.adacomp.net/~mcherney/thomas.html

Mind Control Survivor's Advocate link
http://www.mindjustice.org/

operational files on mind control.
http://www.rcfp.org/news/2002/0819kellyv.html

Dennis Kucinich referenced "mind control" in the language of HR2977 The Space Preservation Act of 2001-but all "exotic weapons" text disappeared from the revision HR3616 The Space Preservation Act of 2002.
http://www.raven1.net/govptron.htm

I'm fed up with the discreditation of a valid subject, mind control is part of PNAC, which overly overvalues technology and underestimates the human spirit.

We should talk about it, openly, without traitorous ridicule.

just take a moment, read Must_B_Free's post and think. Now research Rev. Moon alittle, the proof is there. The GOP is full of mindless wonders, the religious right is filled to the brim with controlled zombies. Just watch one of their get togethers. Armageddon anyone?



Must_B_Free (1000+ posts) Thu Nov-06-03 02:12 PM
Response to Original message

91. Thom Hartman just did a show on Rev. Moon


and his mind control techniques.

Apparently, "astroturf" is one of his specialties.

Moon has taken over the GOP right, to where one of his events is now a GOP event.

For those who aren;t familiar with Moon - he is the new messiah sent to complete Jesus Christ's failed mission on Earth.

My hunch is that the right will engineer a plausible Biblical "Apocalypse" that will enable them to complete prophecy (at least as far as masses of followers believe) and effectively write the next book of the Bible. (New World Order)

All it takes is some special effects and manipulation of events.

Thom also mentioned that one of Moon's right hand men (Bo Pak or Park) is also an employee of the CIA.

simultaneously, in several regions of the US in the summer of 1969.
But, some folks can get away with murder in black ops. Even when they leave a living witness and a papertrail.

on edit: lots of decent folks in law-enforcement know of this but have been shut off from making arrests of very dangerous individuals because of "national security", and families of victims and survivors have been intimidated- right?

Cults prey on the most lonely, vulnerable people they can find, cage you with your own mind through guilt and fear, cut you off from everyone...they don't need armed guards to keep you. Liars, tricksters, it's been the same ever since Eve got the apple, and I doubt it will ever change. They're all basically, really the same, con men. "


-- Margaret Singer, Ph.D.

An Experiment Goes Very Awry
New York Times/September 15, 2002

In "Das Experiment," a psychological thriller from Germany opening Wednesday in New York, a journalist played by Moritz Bleibtreu (the boyfriend in "Run Lola Run") goes undercover and answers an ad for male volunteers to act as the guards and inmates of a mock prison for a two-week behavioral research project. Assured that there will be no violence, the men are told that in exchange for being well paid, they will be locked in for the duration. Needless to say, the experiment spins out of control, and violence becomes the order of the day.

You don't have to be a European history major to see "Das Experiment" as an allegory for the rise of the Third Reich - and by extension for any authoritarian regime, including the kind that can take over a school playground. But what's striking is how detailed the allegory is. By movie's end, all the players are on the board, not just sadistic bullies and their shell-shocked victims, but treacherous intellectuals, mesmerized foot soldiers, resisters both wily and naïve and every shade of collaborator, from the maliciously active to the passively disengaged.

Most viewers can find their reflections in the mirror the movie holds up (including journalists, who won't be flattered). One who did and isn't happy is Philip G. Zimbardo, president of the American Psychological Association. His Stanford Prison Experiment made headlines 31 years ago when participating students at Stanford University were jailed by a cooperative local police force and left to the less than tender mercies of other students posing as guards. The project reached meltdown even faster than the one in "Das Experiment."

The film originally credited the Stanford project as inspiration, but it was one credit that Mr. Zimbardo, who maintains a Web site, didn't want, and it has since been excised. Unlike the movie scientists, Mr. Zimbardo shut his experiment down in less than a week. "These guys were peaceniks," he says of his 1971 student guards on www.prisonexp.org. "They became like Nazis."

http://www.rickross.com/groups/moonie.html



How do you think this happened?



How do you think this happened?

YOU DO? Please give me some details. Where were these other "families" located? How does the Process fit in to all of this?


Pleae, I'm very curious! I'd love to hear more. PM me if you don't want to be too public with info, bobthedrummer.

n/t

I'm curious what you have to say about this topic but I can't pm you. What connection if any do you think this has with Manson's scientology experiences in prison? By the way, the book "Turn off Your Mind" is an interesting read which sort of skirts the borders of this topic.

Never mind my joke...

I started reading a book on the Frank Olson story, but it's really not funny reading it.

Judging from the response you get and the responses in the orginial thread, this topic is really not mainstream here on DU.

Only certain specialists, mostly those who are interested in 911, responded in an informed way to the original post, according to my impression.

But it's a good idea reviving this topic.

there's been all kinds of intelligence failures and talk about declassification of other things, I'm somewhat of an advocate for non-consensual human experimentation survivors like President Clinton was when he established this office-mind control is part of all that, of course.
http://tis.eh.doe.gov/ohre/index.html

http://wtec.org/ConvergingTechnologies/

This is the ultimate mind fuck. The technology that comes from this project, as stated in the document on this web page, will be the beginnings of the "next phase of human evolution" via technology. It is the blue print for the Transhumanist movement.

It is also a recipe for mind control. Just read the first 2-3 sections of this document and you will see what I mean.

Remember the monkey with the bionic arm and the remote controlled rat that searched through the WTC wreckage? All of them are products of the Cognome Project, which is a component of the CT umbrella.

"I never saw any intelligence that
indicated there was going to be
an attack on America— at a time
and a place, an attack."
— G. W. Bush
(Source: Wired)




"What's the difference?"
— G. W. Bush
(Source: The Guardian)


Today's Washingtonpost.com
Bush talks as if only an atheist would demand proof when faith alone more than suffices. He is America's own ayatollah.*

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A13298-2004Apr14.html


Bush is not a Nazi, stop saying that!

"We need a program of psychosurgery and political control of our society. The purpose is physical control of the mind. Everyone who deviates from the given norm can be surgically mutilated.
"The individual may think that the most important reality is his own existence, but this is only his personal point of view. This lacks historical perspective.
"Man does not have the right to develop his own mind. This kind of liberal orientation has great appeal. We must electrically control the brain. Some day armies and generals will be controlled by electrical stimulation of the brain."

Dr. Jose Delgado (MKULTRA experimenter who demonstrated a radio-controlled bull on CNN in 1985)
Director of Neuropsychiatry, Yale University Medical School
Congressional Record No. 26, Vol. 118, February 24, 1974

Above quote from the article "Brainwashing America" by former head of the Dept. of Artificial Intelligence at the US Army War College, Dr. Norman Livergood.

http://www.hermes-press.com/brainwash1.htm

Much appreciate the mention of Dr. Livergood, who, IIRC, runs the excellent Hermes-Press site. I only know him through his written work, but he knows of what he speaks.

From reading the sources mentioned on this thread, and going through he cobwebs of my mind, I was amazed at the state of mind manipulation. I also was reminded there are three enormous and overt mind control programs extant:

1. Alcohol
2. Narcotics
3. Television

Here's a nice ditty from the "Overnight Sensation" LP:


I'm The Slime

I am gross and perverted
I'm obsessed 'n deranged
I have existed for years
But very little had changed
I am the tool of the Government
And industry too
For I am destined to rule
And regulate you
I may be vile and pernicious
But you can't look away
I make you think I'm delicious
With the stuff that I say
I am the best you can get
Have you guessed me yet?
I am the slime oozin' out
From your TV set
You will obey me while I lead you
And eat the garbage that I feed you
Until the day that we don't need you
Don't go for help...no one will heed you
Your mind is totally controlled
It has been stuffed into my mold
And you will do as you are told
Until the rights to you are sold
That's right, folks... Don't touch that dial
Well, I am the slime from your video
Oozin' along on your living room floor
I am the slime from your video
Can't stop the slime, people, lookit me go

-- Frank Zappa

http://www.fas.org/sgp/congress/2001/hr2977.html

HR 2977 IH


107th CONGRESS

1st Session

H. R. 2977
To preserve the cooperative, peaceful uses of space for the benefit of all humankind by permanently prohibiting the basing of weapons in space by the United States, and to require the President to take action to adopt and implement a world treaty banning space-based weapons.


IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

October 2, 2001
Mr. KUCINICH introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on Science, and in addition to the Committees on Armed Services, and International Relations, for a period to be subsequently determined by the Speaker, in each case for consideration of such provisions as fall within the jurisdiction of the committee concerned



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


A BILL
To preserve the cooperative, peaceful uses of space for the benefit of all humankind by permanently prohibiting the basing of weapons in space by the United States, and to require the President to take action to adopt and implement a world treaty banning space-based weapons.


Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the `Space Preservation Act of 2001'.

SEC. 2. REAFFIRMATION OF POLICY ON THE PRESERVATION OF PEACE IN SPACE.

Congress reaffirms the policy expressed in section 102(a) of the National Aeronautics and Space Act of 1958 (42 U.S.C. 2451(a)), stating that it `is the policy of the United States that activities in space should be devoted to peaceful purposes for the benefit of all mankind.'.

SEC. 3. PERMANENT BAN ON BASING OF WEAPONS IN SPACE.

The President shall--

(1) implement a permanent ban on space-based weapons of the United States and remove from space any existing space-based weapons of the United States; and

(2) immediately order the permanent termination of research and development, testing, manufacturing, production, and deployment of all space-based weapons of the United States and their components.

SEC. 4. WORLD AGREEMENT BANNING SPACE-BASED WEAPONS.

The President shall direct the United States representatives to the United Nations and other international organizations to immediately work toward negotiating, adopting, and implementing a world agreement banning space-based weapons.

SEC. 5. REPORT.

The President shall submit to Congress not later than 90 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, and every 90 days thereafter, a report on--

(1) the implementation of the permanent ban on space-based weapons required by section 3; and

(2) progress toward negotiating, adopting, and implementing the agreement described in section 4.

SEC. 6. NON SPACE-BASED WEAPONS ACTIVITIES.

Nothing in this Act may be construed as prohibiting the use of funds for--

(1) space exploration;

(2) space research and development;

(3) testing, manufacturing, or production that is not related to space-based weapons or systems; or

(4) civil, commercial, or defense activities (including communications, navigation, surveillance, reconnaissance, early warning, or remote sensing) that are not related to space-based weapons or systems.

SEC. 7. DEFINITIONS.

In this Act:

(1) The term `space' means all space extending upward from an altitude greater than 60 kilometers above the surface of the earth and any celestial body in such space.

(2)(A) The terms `weapon' and `weapons system' mean a device capable of any of the following:

(i) Damaging or destroying an object (whether in outer space, in the atmosphere, or on earth) by--

(I) firing one or more projectiles to collide with that object;

(II) detonating one or more explosive devices in close proximity to that object;

(III) directing a source of energy (including molecular or atomic energy, subatomic particle beams, electromagnetic radiation, plasma, or extremely low frequency (ELF) or ultra low frequency (ULF) energy radiation) against that object; or

(IV) any other unacknowledged or as yet undeveloped means.

(ii) Inflicting death or injury on, or damaging or destroying, a person (or the biological life, bodily health, mental health, or physical and economic well-being of a person)--

(I) through the use of any of the means described in clause (i) or subparagraph (B);

(II) through the use of land-based, sea-based, or space-based systems using radiation, electromagnetic, psychotronic, sonic, laser, or other energies directed at individual persons or targeted populations for the purpose of information war, mood management, or mind control of such persons or populations; or

(III) by expelling chemical or biological agents in the vicinity of a person.

(B) Such terms include exotic weapons systems such as--

(i) electronic, psychotronic, or information weapons;

(ii) chemtrails;

(iii) high altitude ultra low frequency weapons systems;

(iv) plasma, electromagnetic, sonic, or ultrasonic weapons;

(v) laser weapons systems;

(vi) strategic, theater, tactical, or extraterrestrial weapons; and

(vii) chemical, biological, environmental, climate, or tectonic weapons.

(C) The term `exotic weapons systems' includes weapons designed to damage space or natural ecosystems (such as the ionosphere and upper atmosphere) or climate, weather, and tectonic systems with the purpose of inducing damage or destruction upon a target population or region on earth or in space.

a member of Congressional intelligence/defense committees.

Why was the original language of HR2977 referencing "exotic weapons" taken out?

in the CIA under the Director Richard McGarrah Helms.

I see conspiracy when two former Directors of the CIA, Richard McGarrah Helms and George H.W. Bush come from families that had business dealings with the Third Reich, plus the CIA "recruited" Nazis to battle godless communism, just like it "enlisted" the Mafia and uses mercenaries.

The RW of the Republican Party became the political home to real nazis.

This direct family tradition of profiteering with America's enemies has continued with the bin-Ladens and the Bushes imo.

NASA Experiment May Provide a Good Show for East Coast Skywatchers as It Sheds Light on Space Weather


Long way around but it works

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Thanks

:7

There are rumors, many rumors, about secret weapons and the military possibly being behind the summer black-out last year.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/ANA309A.html

But all these are spin-offs, the focus should be on mind control itself. Why believe Fox News, CNN, MSNBC, Al Jazeera...dual use technology...it's one more way our perceptions are being MANIPULATED for political agendas-bigtime. But it's failed.

The problem was mostly caused by buggy software code...

http://www.securityfocus.com/news/8016

There was an investigation that proved that the blackout was preventable:

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/04/05/blackout.report/index.html


Our nation's energy infrastructure has been neglected for far too long because deregulation allowed the big companies who own the lines to just let things slide so they can make a bigger profit.

This failure to maintain our infrastructure allowed a relatively small series of errors to be magnified many fold in coincidence.

I have never seen any evidence at all suggesting any kind of conspiracy.

Rtd Lieutenant-Colonel Michael Aquino

go to www.xeper.org and see that he's still alive and well.

Church of Satan priest that replaced that cult with his own Temple of Set-all while on active duty serving in US DIA and Army. I believe he was active in the Chicago-Madison-Milwaukee region during the summer of 1969 as part of Operation CHAOS.

Let me say this-the Carles Manson family was a model for simultaneous families that professional mental health folks like Dr. Louis "Jolly" West and Col. Michael Aquino helped along spreading the darkside in many ways, especially in Special Forces, unfortunately.

PM me for details.

Aquino and his wife, Lillith, were part of The Presidio molestation case.
:grr:

However, please email me at drdomitan@hotmail.com

must be a kubrick/clarke fan

For those who are new to the subject, it may come as a surprise to discover the BFEE applies these techniques to the masses. It started when GE created the first corporate public relations department in 1897, its goal to shape public opinion. The “science” of PR was originated by a nephew of Dr. Sigmund Freud:

Public relations as a defined business tool got its start in the early 20th century, with help from “father of public relations” Edward L. Bernays, nephew of Sigmund Freud. Some derided it as hype, spin or flackery, but public relations became considered even more essential as consumers and investors got increasingly savvy and media-connected.

http://www.public-relations-online.net/history.htm

Today, techniques are much more sophisticated, the goals are similar:

Here’s some good background:

http://www.factnet.org/

The deal is, the Government employs a lot of the experts. Big Business employs many of the best. The BFEE employs only the very best and nastiest.

My perspective echoes that of Dr. Jacques Vallee, Ph.D. A venture capitalist/computer scientist/astronomer/UFO researcher and all-around Good Guy, here’s a bit of what Vallee believes (courtesy of Mack White):


TELEVISION AND THE HIVE MIND
by Mack White

EXCERPT…

UFO researcher Jacques Vallee, the real-life model for the French scientist in Stephen Spielberg's Close Encounters of the Third Kind, attempted to interest Spielberg in a terrestrial explanation for the phenomenon. In an interview on Conspire.com, Vallee said, "I argued with him that the subject was even more interesting if it wasn't extraterrestrials. If it was real, physical, but not ET. So he said, 'You're probably right, but that's not what the public is expecting—this is Hollywood and I want to give people something that's close to what they expect.'"

How convenient that what Spielberg says the people expect is also what the Pentagon wants them to believe.

In Messengers of Deception, Vallee tracks the history of a wartime British Intelligence unit devoted to psychological operations. Code-named (interestingly) the "Martians," it specialized in manufacturing and distributing false intelligence to confuse the enemy. Among its activities were the creation of phantom armies with inflatable tanks, simulations of the sounds of military ships maneuvering in the fog, and forged letters to lovers from phantom soldiers attached to phantom regiments.

Vallee suggests that deception operations of this kind may have extended beyond World War II, and that much of the "evidence" for "flying saucers" is no more real than the inflatable tanks of World War II. He writes: "The close association of many UFO sightings with advanced military hardware (test sites like the New Mexico proving grounds, missile silos of the northern plains, naval construction sites like the major nuclear facility at Pascagoula and the bizarre love affairs ... between contactee groups, occult sects, and extremist political factions, are utterly clear signals that we must exercise extreme caution."

CONTINUED…

http://www.mackwhite.com/tv.html

I don't think this is looney at all. I remember back in 1979-1980 when I was in college, Carter was president and Reagan and Bush were running (first as rivals, then running mates). The Church Committee and other investigations had defanged the CIA and a lot was coming out in the media.

In particular, I have this vivid memory of watching a documentary on one of the major networks (there was no cable where I lived in 1979-80) about recently declassified information on the CIA with my roomate. It shocked the crap out of us. One image in particular I remember was a grainy film of a CIA scientist with what looked like a giant joystick (they didn't exist yet, as didn't PCs) and -- get this -- a cow. The scientist would move the joy stick to the right, and the cow would turn to the right. The scientist would move the joystick to the left and the cow would turn to the left!

We were absolutely bugging out in our apartment!

This kind of news abruptly ended when Reagan was elected.

I also remember about that time reading a book by Zbigniew Brzezinski, Jimmy Carter's Dr. Evil, that was about the future of international relations. I recall he specifically wrote that armed conflict between the US and third world countries would soon be obsolete because the US already had the technology and capacity to used planes and satellites to instantly narcotize entire populations -- put them to sleep temporarily but non fatally using ultra sound, etc. He even talked about how this had been an option in the Iran hostage crisis. He suggested, I think, that the real international action was with the Soviets because all the other countries were easily controlled.

I know that this all sounds utterly bizarre like "tin foil hat" stuff, but this was common media currency in the late 1970s.

I sometimes wonder if the late 1970s was a window into technology that the US had but did not want to reveal it possessed -- yet.

If so, then what a waste that the US is still using high velocity lead, mostly, to solve military problems.

When I get the chance, I'll see if I can track down the MK/ULTRA remote-control cow story. It's nothing I would put past them.

Off topic, a bit: I remember hearing about a cat they wired up as a roving bug. They put a microphone and transmitter inside the cat, ran a wire up its tail and set it loose in the Soviet embassy. The idea was it would go up to the dignitaries and such and listen in to juicy tidbits of gossip.


Acoustic Kitty

EXCERPT...

They hoped the cat, rigged up with microphones and an antennae in its tail, could pad around unnoticed and listen in on secret spy conversations.

But Operation Acoustic Kitty, as it was called, seemed doomed to failure when the cat kept wandering off to chase mice or look for food.

Abandoned

And the project did indeed go horribly wrong when the cat was killed on its first "mission".

CIA officers sent the cat into a park to spy for them, but sadly it was hit by a taxi and died.

CONTINUED...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/animals/newsid_1638000/1638924.stm

BTW: A hearty welcome to DU, HamdenRice! Where ya been?

this is real, but largely kept quiet, until now-- "the intelligence failure" continues.:dem:Truth kick.

Cause DU and Truth and Knowledge and Democratic ACTION are going to kick the Little Turd back to Crawford and then Leavenworth. The rest of the BFEE turds know they're on notice too.

:kick:

"From PsyOp to MindWar" is a military paper co-authored 20 years ago by Lt Col Michael Aquino (Satanist, whose name pops up frequently in stories of trauma-induced mind control experiments), and Col Paul E. Vallely (retired, currently - wait for it - senior military analyst for Fox News).

I've posted this before. This is from the archived thread (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic... ). Read this, and remember, the authors are a Satanist and accused pedophile with high rank in the US military, and a retired Colonel currently employed by Fox News. "MindWar," in the Bush years, seems eerily familiar.

...

"From PSYOP to Mindwar: The Psychology of Victory" is a military paper on psychological warfare, written by Lt. Col. Michael Aquino and Col. Paul E. Vallely in 1980. It was sent, writes Aquino, "to various governmental offices, agencies, commands and publications involved or interested in PSYOP." I think it bears a close read now, because it describes a top-down psychological conditioning Americans may find familiar. And it's not insignificant to note that co-author Vallely is now senior military analyst for FOX News.

Who is Aquino? A since-retired Lieutenant Colonel, Military Intelligence, and special-forces officer. Also, for many years, an avowed Satanist, and founder of the "Temple of Set." Aquino's name frequently appears in ritual child abuse cases which appear to have military-intelligence sanction or protection - the Franklin and Presidio scandals, for instance (A good introduction to Aquino and this subject is "Uncle Sam Wants Your Children": http://davesweb.cnchost.com/pedo3.html - part three of "The Pedophocracy," which begins here: http://davesweb.cnchost.com/pedo1.html ). Aquino has never been convicted, so is either innocent or well protected.

And who is Vallely? "The senior military analyst for FOX News Channel and guest on many nationally syndicated radio talk shows, Paul E. Vallely retired in 1991 from the U.S. Army as Deputy Commanding General, U.S. Army, and Pacific in Honolulu, Hawaii."
http://www.kepplerassociates.com/speakers/vallelypaul.asp?1

Aquino has said that "assorted cranks tried to make a public issue out of this paper just because of its catchy title.... That paper had no connection to MK-Ultra, nor Paperclip, nor any crazy Nazi experiments."

Even if one believes Aquino, and dismisses suggestion that he is part of covert-sanctioned research into occult mind control (another CIA interest inherited from the Nazi doctors rescued by Project Paperclip), the implications of "Mindwar" are fairly chilling. And rather familiar, I should think, to anyone living through the Bush years.

Here's a .pdf of "From Psyop to Mindwar" which Aquino has posted, with a new introduction, on his "Temple of Set" website:
http://www.xeper.org/maquino/nm/MindWar.pdf

Some excerpts:


"MindWar...is, in fact, the strategy to which tactical warfare must conform if it is to achieve maximum effectiveness. The MindWar scenario must be preeminent in the mind of the commander and must be the principal factor in his every field decision. Otherwise he sacrifices measures which actually contribute to winning the war to measures of immediate, tangible satisfaction. (Consider the rational for 'body counts' in Vietnam).

...

"In its strategic context, MindWar must reach out to friends, enemies, and neutrals alike across the globe -- neither through primitive "battlefield" leaflets and loudspeakers of PSYOP nor through the weak, imprecise, and narrow effort of psychotronics - but through the media possessed by the United States which have the capabilities to reach virtually all people on the face of the Earth. These media are, of course, the electronic media -- television and radio. State of the art developments in satellite communication, video recording techniques, and laser and optical transmission of broadcasts made possible a penetration of the minds of the worlds such as would have been inconceivable just a few years ago. Like the sword Excalibur, we have but to reach out and seize this tool; and it can transform the world for us if we have the courage and the integrity to civilization with it. If we do not accept Excalibur, then we relinquish our ability to inspire foreign cultures with our morality. If they then desire moralities unsatisfactory to us, we have no choice but to fight them on a more brutish level.

...

"Unlike PSYOP, MindWar has nothing to do with deception or even with 'selected' -- and therefore misleading -- truth. Rather it states a whole truth that, if it does not now exist, will be forced into existence by the will of the United States. The examples of Kennedy's ultimatum to Khrushchev during the Cuban Missile Crisis and Hitler's stance at Munich might be cited. A MindWar message does not have to fit conditions of abstract credibility as do PSYOP there; its source makes it credible. As Livy once said: 'The terror of the Roman name will be such that the world shall know that, once a Roman army had laid siege to a city, nothing will move it -- not the rigors or winter nor the weariness of months and years -- that it knows no end but victory and is ready, in a swift and sudden stroke will not serve, to preserve until that victory is achieved.'

...

"For the mind to believe in its own decisions, it must feel that it made those decisions without coercion. Coercive measures used by the operative, consequently, must not be detectable by ordinary means. There is no need to resort to mind-weakening drugs such as those explored by the CIA; in fact the exposure of a single such method would do unacceptable damage to MindWar's reputation for truth. Existing PSYOP identifies purely-sociological factors which suggest appropriate idioms for messages. Doctrine in this area is highly developed, and the task is basically one of assembling and maintaining individuals and teams with enough expertise and experience to apply the doctrine effectively. This, however, is only the sociological dimension of target receptiveness measures. There are some purely natural conditions under which minds may become more or less receptive to ideas, and MindWar should take full advantage of such phenomena as atmospheric electromagnetic activity (12), air ionization (13), and extremely low frequency waves (14).

It's good to see them placed together coherently. The disorganization of some sites that list such references does not help their credibility, except for the most serious researchers who can better differentiate between fancy and worthy tidbits.

Have you read "Night Chills" by Dean Koontz (1977). I just read it after buying it at a church yard sale. Very chilling and relevant (if not the method), indeed!

its existence. But it's easy to answer charges of paranoia when the US military's own words hang them up. After all, it was a US Lt Colonel (Satanist) and Colonel (now Fox analyst) who wrote "Coercive measures...must not be detectable by ordinary means.... MindWar should take full advantage of such phenomena as atmospheric electromagnetic activity, air ionization, and extremely low frequency waves."

And yet, try raising the menace of ELF or the ionospheric "research" of the HAARP transmitter (which has the potential for affecting brain activity), and you'll be told to take off the :tinfoilhat:

People had better start to think for themselves, before they are truly unable to.

Nope, haven't read the Koontz book. I'll look into it, thanks.

There's evidence of the government experiments in mind control, but there's no evidence of any government success in programming human minds. I have no doubt that the govenment messed with and destroyed quite a few lives with these experiments. There's plenty of evidence to support very crude attempts at mind control. There documentation of some pretty hideous things being done to people, and some dreadful after-effects. There is no evidence of any kind that suggests any agency was successful in any attempt of finely controlling an individual's actions.

The only thing I've seen evidence to support is the government learned some crude and ugly ways to send people over the deep end and make them non-functional.

Btw, this article was written by a sceptic.
http://www.raven1.net/commsolo.htm

There's lots of standard military psyops and media manipulation that explains all these events. No bizarre mind control satellites are needed to manipulate a population. Just slick statndard military psyops and media propaganda.

It is the militarization of space, and imo part of PNAC. See the part on Air Force revolutionary planning...
http://www.au.af.mil/au/2025/

Media manipulation and military psyops are well known operations. They aren't even black ops. We all know they want to increase their ability to do psyops.

That is not "MKULTRA" mind control. Big difference.

RFK, John Lennon, the attempts on Ford's life, Reagan's near-hit, etc. Not saying there's anything concrete, but a lot of people involved in documenting and researching these deaths have raised questions about whether "mind-control" was being used. I try to keep an open mind about it, no matter how outlandish the claim.

Okay, like I said, no evidence, but you know, there's really no "evidence" to suggest that Jesus ever existed or that Oswald killed JFK, either. Just state-sanctioned "approval" of a certain set of speculations.

Tighter, punchier, more accurate message below. Won't let me delete this one or edit it.....

The United States has a crap mental health policy. Always has. Combine that with the gun culture in the US and you get lots of mentally ill people who are not getting treatment with lots of guns to use in a culture that glorifies violence.

most (not all) gun-related attacks on politicians have occurred since the formation of the CIA (1947), when guns have been available in the US for a couple hundred years. And how odd is it that the only politicians/public figures who have been attacked are the ones whose interests contradict the interests of the corporate state and the cult of intelligence.

I find the whole "lone nut" thing just a wee bit suspicious.

The increase in gun related-deaths has been society wide.

The previous increase on society-wide gun deaths was in the Civil War/post-Civil War period. Lincoln, Garfield and McKinnley were killed in that period with guns. I assume you're not going to claim that was mind control, too?

Just a lucky coincidence, ya think?

There are millions of unimportant people killed with guns while the CIA has been in existance. There were three presidents assassinated with guns before the CIA was even created.

The only simialrity is that lots of people die from gunshot wounds throughout the history of the US. Nothing secret about that.

RFK's assassination, and he has much "missing time" before the night. Even the prosecution admitted Sirhan was hypnotized, but said he was self-hypnotized.

There is a remarkable body of evidence that points to Sirhan having been a programmed patsy. Vincent Bugliosi came to think so in the mid-70s. And Sirhan finally has a lawyer, Lawrence Teeter, who agrees. I highly recommend Lisa Pease's research in The Assassinations anthology, and Turner and Christian's book The Assassination of Robert F Kennedy.

You don't need weird mind control plots to envision a conspiracy that finds someone who is mentally ill to use as a patsy and fall guy.

There were more gunshots than can be accounted for from Sirhan Sirhan's gun. That's not a strange mind control theory. That's simply asking whether more than one shooter was involved.

Witnesses saw only flashes and paper residue flying from Sirhan's gun, suggesting he was firing blanks. Witnesses who had heard many gunshots said it sounded more like a cap pistol. No bullets matched a trajectory from his gun, and the handling of evidence was intentionally cocked-up multiple times.

Killing RFK wouldn't be a problem. But the conspirators needed a patsy.

In his book The Search for the Manchurian Candidate, John Marks writes of the CIA's efforts to create a programmed killer via MKULTRA. He quotes a CIA veteran who says the program was unnecessary, as a mercenary can be found to kill anyone for a price. What is more useful is a programmed patsy. Marks writes further of a "programmed patsy":

"The purpose of this exercise is to leave a circumstantial trail that will make the authorities think the patsy committed a particular crime. The weakness might well be that the amnesia would not hold up under police interrogation, but that would not matter if the police did not believe his preposterous story about being hypnotized or if he were shot resisting arrest."

LA hypnotist Dr William Joseph Bryan Jr liked to brag about famous jobs he'd taken on for police departments and the CIA. For instance, he boasted to prostitutes about having hypnotized Albert Di Salvo, the convicted Boston Strangler, while Di Salvo was in custody. He also spoke about having worked with Sirhan. It didn't mean anything to the hookers, but the thing is, he never had access to Sirhan in custody. And here's a funny thing: in Sirhan's notebook of "automatic writing" - you know, the pages of "Robert F Kennedy must die" scrawled over and over, which he doesn't remember writing - the name "Di Salvo" is scribbled, though Sirhan claims to not recognize it. Perhaps Bryan couldn't keep from boasting of his past accomplishments, even with Sirhan under hypnosis.

Like you said in your own post, a mercenary can always be found to hire to kill someone. There's no need to do mind control because there are always people willing to do these tasks willingly for the right price.

As I said, a mercenary can always be found to kill someone. What is harder to find is someone who can take the fall, who doesn't point a finger back at the conspirators.

I'm not singing out of my ass on this. There is a lot of evidence to support it. And as I said, it convinced Vincent Bugliosi in the mid-70s. He's hardly a conspiracy theorist.

There is no concrete evidence supporting this claim. There is only a little non-concrete speculation supporting this claim. There is plenty of evidence to suggest that there is nothing in existance remotely close to the capabilities you are claiming.

IF the rich elites had such tools at their disposal, why are there so many black sheep in the families of the rich elites? If the Bushes had these tools at their disposal, Jeb Bush's daughter would not be getting busted in pharmacies with fake xanax prescriptions. They would have "fixed" her and those like her with these tools you claim exist long ago.

RFK, John Lennon, the attempts on Ford's life, Reagan's near-hit, etc. Not saying there's anything concrete, but a lot of people involved in documenting and researching these deaths have raised questions about whether "mind-control" was being used. I try to keep an open mind about it, no matter how outlandish the claim.

Okay, like I said, no evidence, but you know, there's really no "evidence" to suggest that Jesus ever existed or that Oswald killed JFK, either. Just state-sanctioned "approval" of a certain set of speculations.

A neighbor of Cheney's was quoted as asking the Vice President why he did not run for President and he allegedly said because he was involved in the MK Ultra program and too many people know it.

He never made it to the declaring candidacy phase, but he did have an exploratory committee.

Cheney was in the Ford White House when the CIA "family jewels" were open for public review. Poppy Bush put the lid on tight and remembered who helped him when he later was presidunt. Here's the story:


US Vice President Dick Cheney and

Secretary of Defence Donald Rumsfeld

Linked to “Murder of CIA Scientist”

by Gordon Thomas

EXCERPT...

The documents uncovered by Professor Olmstead include one that states “Dr Olson’s job was so sensitive that it is highly unlikely that we would submit relevant evidence”.

In another memo, Cheney acknowledges that “the Olson lawyers will seek to explore all the circumstances of Dr Olson’s employment, as well as those concerning his death. In any trial, it may become apparent that we are concealing evidence for national security reasons and any settlement or judgement reached thereafter could be perceived as money paid to cover up the activities of the CIA”.

Frank Olson’s family received US $750,000 to settle their claims against the US government.

But Professor Olmstead’s revelations will almost certainly bring further embarrassment to Rumsfeld and Cheney as the persistent fallout from the FBIs investigation into the anthrax mailings last year, which lead to five deaths in America, continues to escalate.

Both the offices of Rumsfeld and Cheney have declined comment on their role in the murder of Frank Olson.

CONTINUED...

http://www.gordonthomas.ie/162.html

BTW: A hearty welcome to DU, Spring! Hey, 'bout time ya got here!

Thanks Octafish. Of course they don't like any of this coming out.

The people that say these things don't work, really should investigate all the different things they do during the day and then ask themselves why exactly they do them, and what is the purpose.

It all is really very elemental and can be very complex at the same time.

We all know the media sucks, but who believes they engage in covert...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=729470

"Truth does not demand belief. Scientists do not join hands every Sunday, singing, 'yes, gravity is real! I will have faith! I will be strong! I believe in my heart thatwhat goes up, up, up must come down, down. down. Amen!' If they did, we would think they were pretty insecure about it.' -Dan Barker (ex-preacher)"

http://www.miniluv.com/mt/mt-comments.cgi?entry_id=47

Ask him about all those ex-Stasi (former East German Secret Police) people our USG employs.

It's very interesting

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=199853

:hi: spring

" The Old Trolls Under The Bridge"
Lovely little code sentence there.
The old Reagan era Shadow Gov people still pulling the strings.

It's a fantasy that fools only those with mental health "issues." (i.e. off their meds)

Time to do your homework and research the issues before dismissing this as mere fantasy.

Lots of messed up people that went over the deep end. No successes at fine tuning human behavior.

Science knows nothing about the human brain. Basically all these attempts were various takes on beating the brain with a behaviorial/drug hammer and watching people getting destroyed by the various hammers they used. Lots of abuse documented. No "success" documented.

or ridicule about a serious topic is the last bastion of the ignorant, imho, Woodrow Fan. Ample documentation of mind control reality is in this (and previous) DU thread or it would have been locked.
:hi:

But zero proof of success... because there is none.

"It seems then, that if we define mind control as the successful control of the thoughts and actions of another without his or her consent, mind control exists only in fantasy. Unfortunately, that does not mean that it will always be thus."

http://www.skepdic.com/mindcont.html

There is no evidence of successful research. None.

See #111

Popular Science is right there on the credibility scale with Weekly World News.

No lab data. No tesing data. Just a couple of 50 year old stories related in a 30 year old article.

Evidence is not a synonym for Proof

Unfortunately, I don't have access to the CIA's lab data.

I'm sorry you don't like the magazine that printed this doctor's article but I know you didn't bother to read it before you responded so I don't consider your interest in discovering the truth of the matter credible.

There is nothing in the article that meets any standard whatsoever to be considered evidence for anything. There is a story about a man in which they refuse to even give the man's name, and use a fake name. There is off topic discussion about the book and case in "The Three Faces of Eve" which the article writer states he had no personal contact, yet going on to make claims about a case he wasn't a part of and had no contact. Then he goes on to make claims about two other people with false identities. None of the three stories about people with false identities in this article has any independent cooroboration. No other witnesses. No independent agencies. No pictures. No data. No nothing. Just one guy telling stories about people whose identities he won't reveal.

That's not evidence. Wouldn't be accepted in any courtroom or scientific journal on the planet.

They certainly tried though, on some very shady ethical grounds. At least, it makes for a good X-Files episode!

Game (BBC)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/3485918.stm

and trauma-induced mind control?

Ask the survivors how well it worked. I imagine most would say, too well.

But is that truly mind control?

The subjects reactions to the trauma was totally unpredictable. Lots of trauma induced on people creates a lot of screwed up people. However, there is no evidence they were ever able to make people have particular disorders with particular traumas.

They traumatized people and the people broke. Nothing new there.

Much research and experimentation has been done with many different types of programming. There is definitely evidence that some types of programming have produced "predictable" results.

Dr. G.H. Estabrooks is a Rhodes Scholar. He took his Doctorate at Harvard ('26), and has authored many articles and books on clinical hypnosis and human behavior.

In this very interesting article from Science Digest, 1971, he describes his work programming hypnotic couriers for military intelligence during WWII:

"HYPNOSIS COMES OF AGE"
http://www.mindspring.com/~txporter/scidig.htm

You might want to also look at the well documented case of Candy Jones.

Popular Science? You're kidding, right? You might as well have listed Weekly World News as a source.

There's no lab data in this article. Just a couple of unverifiable stories.

Look up the word if you're unfamiliar with the definition.

Here is some interesting documentation:

BLUEBIRD

Deliberate Creation of
Multiple Personality
by Psychiatrists

Colin A. Ross, M.D.

Richardson, Texas: Manitou Communications, 2000

BLUEBIRD is the cryptonym for a CIA mind control program that ran from 1951 to 1953. Other mind control programs include ARTICHOKE, MKULTRA, and MKSEARCH. The purpose of the book BLUEBIRD is to prove that the military and the CIA have been creating “Manchurian Candidates” for operational use since the second world war. This fact is described repeatedly by G.H. Estabrooks and in CIA documents on BLUEBIRD and ARTICHOKE obtained through the Freedom of Information Act.

By research at the medical school library, ordering out-of-print books, and requests filed through the Freedom of Information Act, Dr. Ross has built up compelling documentation of the fact that the CIA and military intelligence agencies have been creating multiple personality experimentally, and using these subjects in courier and infiltration operations.

The Appendices to BLUEBIRD provide full proof of the fact that the “Manchurian Candidate” is real, and has been created by the CIA and military. The documented mind control research includes putting brain electrodes in children as young as 11 years old and controlling their behavior from remote transmitters; giving 150 mcg of LSD per day to children age 7-11 for weeks and months at a time; building safe houses where CIA personnel watched prostitutes turn tricks with customers — the prostitutes gave their customers LSD without the customers’ knowledge; wiping out memories with electric shock, and using animals with implanted brain electrodes as delivery systems for chemical and biological weapons.

A complete listing of MKULTRA Subprojects, correspondence between Estabrooks and J. Edgar Hoover and other documents are included in the Appendices to BLUEBIRD.
_______________________________________________________

In BLUEBIRD: Deliberate Creation of Multiple Personality by Psychiatrists, Dr. Ross provides proof, based on 15,000 pages of documents obtained from the CIA under the Freedom of Information Act, that the “Manchurian Candidate” is fact, not fiction. He describes the experiments conducted by psychiatrists to create amnesia, new identities, hypnotic access codes, and new memories in the minds of experimental subjects.

The funding of the experiments by the CIA, Army, Navy, and Air Force is proven from CIA documents and the doctors’ own publications. BLUEBIRD proves that there was extensive political abuse of psychiatry in North America throughout the second half of the twentieth century, perpetrated not by a few renegade doctors, but by leading psychiatrists, psychologists, pharmacologists, neurosurgeons and medical schools.

(Available at Amazon)

There's all kinds of documentation for government programs where all kinds of techniques were used to attempt to finely control human behavior. Making a person collapse or breakdown is not fine control of human behavior. Fine control would be for a subject of said experiemnts to remember and execute a series of complicated tasks. There is no documentation of any success in any of those programs.

Evidence of the existance of a program is not evidence of success of said program. There is a lot of evidence that shows lots of revolting kinds of abuses done to human subjects. There is no evidence of predictable results to cause particular disorders with particular abuses. There is no evidence to support success in attempts to finely control the behavior of human subjects either.

because, as stated above, it says "... the “Manchurian Candidate” is fact, not fiction. He describes the experiments conducted by psychiatrists to create amnesia, new identities, hypnotic access codes, and new memories in the minds of experimental subjects...."

Of course, this type of governmental research is covered by the National Security Act of 1947 and is not carried out in the open. There are indications that it can be successful, however, as evidenced by Colin Ross' work. There are no peer-reviewed professional journals, however, if that's what you're looking for.

One can also only speculate as to why the CIA-based Drs. Louis J. West and Martin Orne were involved in founding the False Memory Syndrome Foundation, whose mission is to disprove the premise that the subjects of this type of experimentation can remember what happened to them. The type of experimentation, that is, that their sponsors undertook.

BTW, Here's another interesting link that mentions Colin Ross:

"...I have a statement here from Colin Ross. A very interesting man. Never heard of him before. He's a psychiatrist from Richardson, Texas. He has been researching the CIA for 20 years. Every time an MKULTRA type researcher dies, he sends away FOIA requests, because he figures, well the guy is dead, they will be more likely to release the documents now, and he just ... he's very cute with this, see? He accumulates a little of this, a little of that. MKULTRA had about 139 to 150 sub-projects ... nobody knows what they all were, or even if that is the subtotal. It's the basic mind control project of the CIA after WWII. He has files on as many of these as he can possibly get. "I have in my possession about 80 of the 149 sub-project files which I obtained through FOIA, filing requests with the CIA on each deceased investigator of interest."..."The MKULTRA sub-project file in my possession for this project states that "the CIA's interest in this research was in establishing contact with foreign nationals of potential future operational use by the CIA. The children who served as subjects in the project were as young as eleven years old...."

The fact that people conducted experiments to create a result is not evidence that the experiments are successful. Lots of people have tried experiments to turn lead to gold. Not one was ever successful. However, you can sure make it look like alchemy was a field of legitimate interest if you only describe the experiments conducted and leave results out of your book.

Claiming there is "no peer-reviewed" articles is not a legit excuse. You can bet there would be massive interest in publication of such successful research results, no matter how grizzly the experiments were, if successful research results existed. The lack of peer-reviewed articles on the subject means there is no research that meets minimum standards for accuracy to get articles published.

The truth is, there is no evidence any of these experiments was ever successful.

given their forbidden nature? Suppose Stanley Milgram and his ilk decided to do more of their unethical experiments today, would it have been approved for publication? I would also assume that those running these experiments would not want their results published for public knowledge. I am just pointing out that the *lack* of peer-review articles is not necessarily an indicator of failures.

Factories of Death: Japanese Biological Warfare 1932-45 and the American Cover-Up
by Sheldon H. Harris

"Harris, professor emeritus of history at California State University, here presents evidence from Chinese, American and KGB archives that Japanese scientists used human beings, including Allied prisoners of war, in biologial warfare (BW) research during the Japanese occupation of Manchuria. The project was carried out in large part by the notorious Army Unit 731 under the direction of Major (later Lieutenant General) Ishii Shiro. Harris, who also maintains that American authorities made a postwar deal whereby Ishii and his staff disclosed their BW data in exchange for immunity from war-crimes prosecution, notes that U.S. intelligence agencies have only selectively released material pertaining to the Japanese BW program...."

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0415132061/102-8720543-4496140?v=glance

While the releases were "selective" according to Harris' book, there were releases of the data.

They would find a way to use the MKULTRA experiments if there were any successes, just like they did with the Japanese Unit 731 experiments.

1) This appears not to have been a release of research for public peer-reviewed scientific examination, rather it seems (from reading the summaries) to represent a journalistic description of Japanese war crimes, based on limited access to a specific case. It would seem there was an agenda behind the intel agencies' "limited" release to this author. If there are scientific reviews of this material, please provide the references.

2) There was no Japanese equivalent to Operation Paperclip that I am aware of, integrating the cream of Japanese scientists (and spy agencies) into the U.S. infrastructure, as was done in the case of the Nazis. Thus there was no incentive to protect the Japanese war criminals who remained outside the mainstream of the U.S. military-industrial system. On the other hand, Nazis were instrumental in the post-WWII development of U.S. rocket science, psychiatry, and pharmaceuticals, and the public release of this information would incriminate not only them, but the "patriotic Americans" who took advantage of their skills and research.

Excerpt from the Counterpunch article "Operation Paperclip Revisited":

"...Operation Paperclip was the name of the project that assimilated Nazi scientists into the American establishment by obscuring their histories and short-circuiting efforts to bring their true stories to light. The project was led by officers in the United States Army. Although the program officially ended in September 1947, those officers and others carried out a conspiracy until the mid-fifties that bypassed both law and presidential directive to keep Paperclip going. Neither Truman nor Eisenhower were informed that their instructions were ignored, and if there is a lesson to be learned from Operation Paperclip, it is that, as Elie Wiesel said of the Holocaust, the world can get away with it...."

In the 1960s, Yale physiologist Jose Delgado proved he could influence the mood and actions of animals through remote control. In one famous demonstration, Delgado stood, unarmed, in front of a charging bull. As the bull bore down on him, Delgado flicked a switch on a small radio transmitter that sent charges to electrodes implanted inside the bull's brain, causing the animal to immediately brake to a halt and meekly walk away.

http://jove.eng.yale.edu/pipermail/eas-info/2002/000460.html

Delgado is the author of the 1969 Harper & Row book Physical Control of the Mind: Toward a Psychocivilized Society, an excerpt of which can be read here:

http://earthops.net/klaatu/delgado.html

Under the auspices the fascist regime in Spain during WWII, Jose Delgado began his research into the use of pain and pleasure for mind control. Later, as Director of Neuropsychiatry at Yale University Medical School, he refined the design of his "transdermal stimulator"...a computer controlled, remote neurologic transceiver and aversion stimulator. Since the 1970s, Delgado "has shifted his interest from direct electrical stimulation of the brain (ESB) to the broader area of the biological effects of electromagnetic fields."

I never disputed they could disrupt or paralyze someone, but I don't consider that to be "mind control". Also, that's with direct surgically implanted electrodes, not something remote. Why spend $10,000 on an operation for something a $0.10 bullet can accomplish permanently, from their perspective?

If you're actually interested in the answers to the questions you pose, do some research... there's numerous leads right here in this thread.

BTW, $10 grand sounds like an awful lot for an implant. ;)

I'm talking about Jonestown.

The Black Hole of Guyana: The Untold Story of the Jonestown Massacre

It ain't just a river in Egypt!

Thanks bobthedrummer - great thread! :)

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Scroll up the English Link. It looks blank but its not when you scroll up on Acrobat Reader. It is the translation.

can't get much better than a CIA FOIA document, can it?
http://www.blackvault.com/documents/remoteviewing/hearing/hearing0.htm

A good read.

produced by Toronto radio station CKLN-FM seven years ago, can be found here (just scroll down the page for the links to each installment): http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/radio/ckln-hm.htm

I haven't read it all - there are hundreds of pages worth of interviews - so I can't vouch for all the content. However, I think those interested in the subject of mind control - particularly, trauma-induced mind control and state-sanctioned ritual abuse - will find much of value here.

Critical thinking skills are your own responsibility when it comes to which parts of what you read here on the internet are worth believing.

of course but it's all over the place, RFR, EMR, ELF, etc.
Mind control research proved that modulation of the wave form of this energy had various effects on animals and humans.

We are the most technologically advanced nation on Earth, and we are living amidst tech that has dual uses.

The administration of George W. Bush aka The War President has sparked a spook war imo and one of the best things about it is the declassification of all this secret stuff that has nothing to do with national security, but is political.

It is time for more government transparacy.

if I can't see it, it can't hurt me. Nevermind the decades of development, and deployment, by both the Soviet Union and, still, the United States.

And I'll point all again to post 43 above, and the words of Lt Col Michael Aquino and Col Paul Vallely, regarding their theory of "MindWar":

"For the mind to believe in its own decisions, it must feel that it made those decisions without coercion. Coercive measures used by the operative, consequently, must not be detectable by ordinary means.... MindWar should take full advantage of such phenomena as atmospheric electromagnetic activity, air ionization, and extremely low frequency waves."

for folks with psychic abilities at their Cognitive Sciences Laboratory, another commercial spin-off from these fascists.
http://www.lfr.org/csl/index.shtml

Time to put the bong down and get to work on getting John Kerry elected.

"researchers" to some degree. Will President Kerry follow that lead?

No one's been hitting the bong in this thread imo, it's all reality based-that's what scares some folks.