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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-04 03:22 PM
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Has anyone else thought that CIA's Tenet may be intimidated...
By Poppy Bush and other long-term CIA operatives to not say anything bad about the prodigal son, George Jr Bush? Does it seem that there is "someone" pulling the strings in the background on Tenet? He was very fidgety at his last appearance before the Committee. What was he twisting nervously around his fingers while answering the questions? Untruthfully, we might add? Does it seem that there is someone at CIA that has untitled authority over the CIA Director, George Tenet? Just my impression.
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keithyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-04 03:24 PM
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1. May not be intimidated, but he seems to lie.
I was really disappointed to learn that he had in fact flown to Texas to meet with Bush in Aug and then talked to him by phone on Aug 31. How can you just 'mispeak' about something like then when you know you are going to be before the 9/11 Commission?

What was he trying to hide? Wonder what they discussed when he did fly to Crawford and then talked to him in Aug 31?
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-04 03:29 PM
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4. The Aug. 31 meeting was in D.C., kb --
And I agree, the Tenet factor in all this is really, really puzzling, and raises a jillion questions --
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-04 03:33 PM
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7. Perhaps Tenet told Bush about bin Laden's plans pre-9/11
Meanwhile, CIA Director George Tenet was told of the crash a few minutes after it happened. A messenger gave him the news as he was eating breakfast with former Senator David Boren in a Washington restaurant three blocks from the White House. Boren says Tenet was told that the World Trade Center had been attacked by an airplane: "I was struck by the fact that used the word attacked." An aide then handed a cell phone to Tenet, and Tenet made some calls, showing that at least some at the highest levels of the Bush administration were talking about an attack at this time. Tenet then said to Boren, "You know, this has bin Laden's fingerprints all over it."
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline/main/essayaninterestingday.html

Tenet recognized the attacks as the "fingerprints" of bin Laden. Was he privy to intelligence reports about these attacks prior to 9/11 and did he relay this information to Bush? Was he ignored by Bush who was concentrating on Iraq?

Tenet knew right away who was behind the WTC attacks. He is reported to have said immediately after learning of the attacks "This has bin Laden's fingerprints all over it," but perhaps he was really thinking "Damn that Bush. I TOLD him this would happen!!!"
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-04 03:26 PM
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2. The whole relationship
between Tenet and Dubya is strange. Why the hell did Tenet fall on his sword over the "yellowcake" debacle? Why did Bush keep him on and why does he still keep him on?

I realize that the answers to the above questions could be well accounted for by your post. But you have to admit its a strange, strange relationship under any circumstances.
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cosmicdot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-04 04:25 PM
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12. Why did Bush keep him on
my conjecture:

-he knows too much about the Bushies criminal activities

probably has knowledge that links Iran-Contra, BCCI, and 9/11

did Tenet ever report to a chain of command ultimately leading up to Mr. CIA pre-Bay of Pigs Poppy Bush? Poppy's got Tenet number, and Tenet's got his. It's either toe the line or ..........?

Remarks By George Bush
41st President of the United States,
At the Dedication Ceremony for the George Bush Center for Intelligence

26 April 1999
President Bush:

Mr. Director, thank you for those overly kind remarks.

Let me thank the great team that we have running CIA. I think all the former Directors here would agree that in George Tenet we have one of the very, very best.


http://makeashorterlink.com/?I2F532908

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daa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-04 03:27 PM
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3. No way
President Kennedy accepted the blame, publicly. "Victory has a thousand fathers," he said "and defeat is an orphan."

Shrub blamed the CIA and he will be gone, end of story. Lesson don't fuck with the CIA. Poppy left there decades ago.
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buddy22600 Donating Member (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-04 03:32 PM
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6. watch out, the cia will kill you if you bad mouth them
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TNOE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-04 03:32 PM
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5. Didn't the CIA
(and not Tenet) say that Tenet was "mistaken" or "misspoke" - which of course WAS NOT UNDER OATH.

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gemlake Donating Member (535 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-04 03:36 PM
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8. His willingness to be Powell's
background prop at the U.N. was also bizarre. Particularly given Tenet's later statement that the CIA never said that the threat to America was imminent. Then why did he sit behind Powell during his U.N. speech?
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randr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-04 03:36 PM
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9. B* could take arrogance lessons from Tenet
After blaming everyone else he has the nerve to say he is working hard to fix everything and only needs five more years.
If he goes to the WH as prepared as he was for the commission it is no wonder we are in such deep shit.
The base realities of cronyism that Asscroft refered to must be the rule at the top. I will lick your boots if you will lick mine.
The reason no one has been held accountable--They are all quilty!
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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-04 03:41 PM
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10. Did you know...
Edited on Thu Apr-15-04 03:43 PM by Oaf Of Office
it was Tenet who recommended the name of the CIA headquarters be changed to the George Bush Center of Intelligence? My brain has a hard time accepting George Bush and intelligence in the same sentence.

Seriously though, Tenet knew about Moussaoui weeks before 911 and didn't get a FISA warrant for FBI agent Rowley. Why??? Particularly since he spent the majority of the summer with his "hair on fire" due to the alarming intel he was receiving about Al Qaeda in the US, wanting to hijack planes and use them as weapons.
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Devils Advocate NZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-04 04:06 PM
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11. Tenet is a BUSH CABLIST!
Edited on Thu Apr-15-04 04:10 PM by Devils Advocate NZ
Isn't it obvious by now?

Think of all the times the CIA put Clinton wrong during his presidency - a WMD factory turns out to be an Aspirin plant - Bin Ladin's hideout turns out to be a long abandoned base - a Serbian target turns out to be the Chinese Embassy - and the list goes on.

The CIA has been in on the Bush Cabal plans since day one, and Tenet became a part of it in 1995 when he became Deputy Director. I have no doubt that being there corrupted Tenet (assuming he wasn't before hand) - absolute power corrupts absolutely - as the old saying goes.

Isn't it convenient that Bin Ladin became a menace after Clinton took office, and Bin Ladin (member of a family closely linked to the Bushes) was a CIA asset only a few years before?

The real trick to understanding Sept 11 and everything that has happened since is to realise that this is all part of a plan that was hatched back when Daddy Bush was President. Bush Snr didn't expect to lose to Clinton, and when he did, the plans had to be put on hold.

The only reason Bush Snr didn't occupy Iraq in 1991 was because he wanted a victory (an easy one at that) to use for his re-election campaign. But he set it up so that straight after the election, a breach could be found (refusing the CIA riddled inspectors access for example) and the invasion could commence.

He was so determined to invade, in fact, that he basically stabbed the Iraqi people in the back - he PR'ed them into believing that they should overthrow Saddam, but he didn't expect it so quickly, so he had to leave them to Hussein's mercy (or lack thereof).

Hussein had to stay in power until after the election, otherwise he would have no reason to invade. All he had to do was win the election, and he could do what Bush Jnr has now done.

But he didn't win. At that point all sorts of pressure came to bear on Clinton to force him to invade Iraq, and when he refused to, to try and have him removed.

Like I said, if you think in these terms, it all makes sense - the determined attacks on Clinton - the stolen election - the consistent actions of "Al Qaeda" always managing to create perfect excuses for the Bush Cabal, the bad intel that kept causing Clinton to attack the wrong targets...
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BGrier Donating Member (94 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-04 10:12 PM
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15. Don't Forget Clinton Ordered Bin Laden Killed
Don't forget the CIA "misinterpreted" Clinton's orders to assassinate Bin Laden. Clarke and others testified there were standing orders to kill Bin Laden, yet officials from the CIA and Ashcroft himself have stated under oath there were only orders to capture. The commission revealed information (which was indirectly substantiated by Reno) that there were clear orders to assassinate - in fact, several of the commissioners corrected Ashcroft and the other CIA guy that testified (I can't recall his name - not Tenet). Why didn't these agents and other officials get the message? It fits with your theory.
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-04 10:36 PM
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16. good point
"Misinterpreted" :eyes:

And three times, Clinton ordered missile strikes on bin Laden from attack subs he'd stationed within range of al Qaeda bases, because he'd received intel regarding bin Laden's location and that he was expected to remain there until the missiles reached him, and three times Tenet told him the intel wasn't strong enough.

And in January 2001, barely after the inauguration, Bush ended the subs' mission, which Clinton had had deployed for two years.
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Devils Advocate NZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 02:36 AM
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19. Yep...
Like I said, if you reframe everything that has happened in the last decade or so under the assumption that "Al Qaeda" is a CIA asset, and that the CIA was a Bush Cabal asset, all sorts of things suddenly make sense.

Kosovo itself is a good example - Kosovo was the KLA, a Muslim fundamentalist terrorist group associated with "Al Qaeda" that had been carrying out attacks against Serbs and Serbian police for years.

Suddenly - AFTER "Al Qaeda" had attacked the US (93 WTC bombing, embassy bombings) - the CIA and "Al Qaeda" began supporting the KLA! This was also mirrored in Chechnya - "Al Qaeda" and CIA operatives helping the Muslim fundamentalist's to overthrow Russian control (flashback to Afghanistan).

Hell, even Iraq is an example of the US helping the Muslim fundamentalists to overthrow a secular (yet cruel and repressive) government.

It is almost like the US is TRYING to create a Muslim fundamentalist superpower. Although, would that be any surprise seeing as only an enemy of sufficient power could justify the exhorbitant defense and intelligence spending these people have become reliant on.

If you wonder why I include Kosovo in this list of CIA created wars, remember that the US killed 4 times as many civillians in Iraq in TWO WEEKS as the Serbian military killed in Kosovo after TWO YEARS of civil war against terrorists. (Milosevic has only been charged with the deaths of a little over 2,500 people - that is all the investigators found, and probably includes some terrorists)

Basically, this whole plan revolves around the military industrial complex protecting its profits. After the fall of the Soviet Union, these facists needed a new enemy to justify the hundreds of billions of dollars in defense and intelligence spending they recieved EACH YEAR. However, they learned their lesson after the sudden collapse of the Soviets - they needed an enemy that could be self regenerating and that could be created on the fly.

All they needed to do was kill a few innocents and terrorists would be created, justifying killing more innocents and creating yet more terrorists. The enemy would never disappear like the Soviets did (even though they had tried for years to prop them up), as long as the US kept acting the way it has.

It's all part of the plan.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-04 09:18 PM
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13. Not intimidated -- but something else.
Like they intentionally kept the heat off bin Laden even back to Clinton's time, and it backfired on them. I definitely got the impression that the CIA doesn't take its marching orders from the executive office. But if not executive office, then who?
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-04 09:29 PM
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14. George Bush Sr was once head of the CIA.....
He wanted the job when Carter was President but Carter didn't pick him. He was devastated about that decision, some say. Of course, rumors of George HW Bush and the CIA go all the way back to the Bay of Pigs and before. So if the CIA doesn't take its orders from the executive branch, then who? Indeed.....
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-04 10:37 PM
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17. Good question
I think he's being blackmailed - but by whom?
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-04 10:38 PM
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18. You couldn't be more wrong...where do you think all of the leaks...
...have been coming from? When the NeoCons exposed Valerie Plame, that was like waving a red flag in front of a bull.
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daa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 09:36 AM
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21. That is what I am saying
Edited on Fri Apr-16-04 09:37 AM by daa
Kennedy knew it but apparently these neo-clowns need to find out.
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-04 03:46 AM
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20. intimidated or not
it's apparent that he's the one that is thrown on the sacrifical alter

maybe we should send him a sheepskin to wear so he looks more like a
sacrificial lamb
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