al-Fallujah:--4 killed as Indonesian-donated ambulance fired on by US jet

(article title edited to better explain event)

Thursday 15th April 2004 :
Four killed as RI's Mer-C ambulance hit by U.S. missile

JAKARTA (JP): An ambulance of the Medical Emergency Rescue Committee (Mer-C) donated by Indonesia was shot by a missile launched from a U.S. jet fighter in Fallujah, Iraq, killing four people, news reports said on Wednesday.

"The ambulance's driver and three patients who had been evacuated were killed as a missile launched from the U.S. jet fighter hit them. The ambulance was blasted to pieces," Joserizal Jurnalis, the chairman of the Mer-C, told Republika on Tuesday.

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http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=721

originally reported in The Jakarta Post, Indonesia's main English-language news source.

zionist occupation forces used to do this in Lebanon.. perhaps the head idiots in Iraq's occupation authority might want to be made aware of how unsuccessful these tactics worked out for them before reproducing them..

Having trouble recognizing Israel's right to exist?

Whose tactics were unsuccessful, btw? Seems to me, that if you don't want ambulances blown up, you don't allow the idiots among you to use them, ever so cleverly, to smuggle weapons and bombs. But that's just propaganda because Jews are such liars, right? They lie, they control the world, what can't they do?

Can't stop people from blowing up their own children just to hurt someone else's children.

Fine, fine, people those Palestinians, living happy happy lives because their tactics are so successful.

If Israel were a Protestant country oppressing, say, a Catholic segment, would we ever hear from you? How are you in your reports of the Sudan? Liberia? Yugoslavia? Rwanda? South Africa? Colombia? Brazil? Anything nasty in those neighborhoods?

The evil you teach us, we will imitate, and it shall go hard, but we will better the instruction.

is that it's very close to the code words: "Zionist Occupation Government" ("ZOG") used by the far-right WHACKOS in this country. It's quite possible he didn't use that phrase in a consciously anti-Semitic sense, but that's how it could appear.

I too am emotionally close to the Holocaust and the founding of the state of Israel, but I pretty well agree with the analysis of Noam Chomsky and others.

pnorman

In the exact context, I was referring specifically to the military forces that the State of Israel used to occupy and terrorize its neighbor to the north for over two decades. The reference was a demonstration of the historical tendency of such tactics to eventually fail (4 years ago the IDF aggressor forces retreated after many years of broad-based resistance) and suggesting the inadvisability of such tactics to be emulated.

No other connotation or implication was intended, nor should anything as you suggest be read into it. What I say is exactly what I mean. If I have a slightly veiled pun or entendre intended, I'm usually the sort of idiot that either doesn't trust readers to "get it" or, far more likely, I don't trust myself to make the intended meaning obvious enough--and I'll, directly or indirectly, clarify it at some point in the work at hand. There was nothing above along those lines.

That ZOG rubbish doesn't interest me, if anything it is the other way around (a case repeated in large sections of the world, as it works out). Some things appear to defy explanation, thus the absurd is allowed an audience; this approach does not appeal to me.

Let's look at what occurred not the phrase. Israel has no more right to exist than Palestine and her people have no more right to live that the Palestine people. If you don't realize that then we know who the real racist is.

For a few days I thought I had recognized your DU name from other conversations I had had around here, but couldn't quite put a lock on what memory I associated it with. Now I remember:--exact same sort of random kneejerk/fly-off-the-handle outburst. I'll pick this apart as I see fit:--

Having trouble recognizing Israel's right to exist?

Sometimes, but I am more annoyed when minor remarks take centre stage like this.. there were more important bits in there, you know..

Whose tactics were unsuccessful, btw?

In this case, those of Israel's in the course of its 22yr-occupation of Lebanon. Do you know what events I was referring to?--the Red Crescent ambulances blown up by Israeli helicopters in Beirut during the '96 blitzkreig under that "leftwing dove" Peres?

Seems to me, that if you don't want ambulances blown up, you don't allow the idiots among you to use them, ever so cleverly, to smuggle weapons and bombs. But that's just propaganda because Jews are such liars, right? They lie, they control the world, what can't they do?

Ok, this bit is a doozy. I'll try to cover all of the points made here, but do note that I take only about 1/3 of it seriously.

It seems to me that if you don't want ambulances blown up, DON'T FUCKING FIRE ON THEM.

Since you're apparently taking the role of defending the US/Israeli actions in blowing up ambulances (and probably other things if this was pursued further), I'd like to know--what did Abbas ever do to deserve having to watch his family blown up in the well-marked ambulance behind him? He had just returned from Germany a year earlier and had taken no part in the fighting. I fear the day that the US aggressors in Iraq try to recreate Qana, if that is the model they're following. In al-Fallujah they seem to be applying bits of the Grozny formula as well as the IDF's, alternating from one failed pattern of racist brutality to another. Then again, there is much in our own history to chose from, blending the result into an awful and grotesque series of acts that somehow manage to get worse with every passing day..

What you say is, indeed, just propaganda.

I don't think "the Jews" (as in "the Jews" as a whole, stereotype sort of thing) lie (well, some do, I guess, but that's not at all specific to them of course). Nor do I think they control the world. However, I don't think they could cook a good rack of bbq'd pork ribs (I'd imagine there to be a bit of inexperience in such matters, so the first couple attempts may not end up as the mouth's version of a Kodak moment).

Can't stop people from blowing up their own children just to hurt someone else's children.

Huh?

Fine, fine, people those Palestinians, living happy happy lives because their tactics are so successful.

Running the risk of repeating myself, huh?

If Israel were a Protestant country oppressing, say, a Catholic segment, would we ever hear from you? How are you in your reports of the Sudan? Liberia? Yugoslavia? Rwanda? South Africa? Colombia? Brazil? Anything nasty in those neighborhoods?

You might want to look at my posts in FA and around the forum, as well as those on the unmentionable Dean board, also get an idea of the links I lazily fill my blog with (I know, it's supposed to be written out and all to be the real "blog" experience, but I'm a lazy bastard sometimes and use it on the side to keep my bookmarks folder from filling up before I have a chance to print). After a deep study of its history I am indeed hostile to Israel, irreconciliably so in many ways, but I am not at all without perspective about the world around it. To save yourself future embarassment (your present in such respects is beyond salvaging, sorry), try to look before leaping when you rattle off these propaganda talking points.

The evil you teach us, we will imitate, and it shall go hard, but we will better the instruction.

I can't think of either a dry, informative, or smartass response to this, so "Um..ok" will have to due for a reply. I thought of a third "...huh?" to round out the series from earlier, but I don't want to beat that into the ground just yet. I have a feeling I might need to use it later if this conversation goes on.

http://www.pacifica.org/programs/reportfromiraq/PacInIraq-20040413.html



It does seem that the ambulances/clinics are being targetted.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1193729,00.html

http://www.ekklesia.co.uk/content/news_syndication/article_040414fallujah.shtml

http://www.almuajaha.com/newswire/display/4380/index.php


What's the rationale??

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