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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 12:47 PM
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Bush asked for a new Iraq plan because the old one required 400,000 troops
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/uclicktext/20040417/cm_ucrr/yogibushandcaseyrumsfeld&cid=123&ncid=1501

YOGI BUSH AND CASEY RUMSFELD

LOS ANGELES -- It turns out that President Bush (news - web sites) decided, depending on whether you can understand what he says, to invade Iraq (news - web sites) as early as November of 2001. At least he said something like that to Bob Woodward, as recorded in Woodward's new book, "Plan of Attack."


But the president decided not to tell anyone except Vice President Cheney and Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, who passed it along to a few select military planners. The Pentagon (news - web sites) apparently had no invasion plans beyond 1999 war-gaming that concluded it would take 400,000 troops to conquer and then stabilize the country.


Why not tell anyone else? asked Woodward. Bush answered:


"I knew what would happen if people thought we were developing a potential war plan for Iraq. ... It would have caused enormous international angst and domestic speculation. ... It would look like I was anxious to go to war. And I'm not anxious go to war."

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Safi Donating Member (218 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 12:54 PM
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1. Remember he said he wasn't into nation building and
talked about the importance of exit strategies.
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DAGDA56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 12:55 PM
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2. I just can't hear the Bush Boy saying enormous international angst...
...and domestic speculation.
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Peachhead22 Donating Member (798 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 01:07 PM
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8. I know what you mean
Number 1: I'm not sure he could pronounce it.

Number 2: I'm not sure he could fathom what those words mean.

Number 3: That choice of words is way too sophisticated. Even if he understands their meaning. He doesn't talk like that.
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vi5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 12:55 PM
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3. "Depending on whether you can understand what he says..."
I never thought I'd hear myself say this but is it just me or is that statement a really blatant dig at bush in a normal media source. I would never cry "bias" especially if its on my side, but thats pretty harsh for a journalistic piece rather than an opinion one.
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Dark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 01:00 PM
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5. It is an editorial.
Look in the top left corner of the page. "Op/Ed"
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vi5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 01:01 PM
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6. Ah....I missed that.....
Thanks. I was going to say.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 12:59 PM
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4. now remember back to the summer before the war
Plan after plan was leaked to the press, to the point that Rumnmy had to threaten military personnel with court martials... (This tells me the leaks were so general that if he did Court Martial them, he would have run out of Senior Miltiary Planners, those not Court Martialed would have begged for transfers or early retirements... and the Press would have had to pay attention as this would have looked like a PURGE, a la 1930s Soveit Union.)

then we STILL got some people retiring from the Military, I mean SENIOR peoople, and we got a plan that even General Erik Chinseki (Forced to step down as Army Chief of Staff, six months before the end of his tour) warned Congress it was not sufficient.

So the Army TRIED to warn us, and some of us KNEW we were going to war just from looking at this... but alas the US Press was asleep at the wheel (on purpose most likely) and most people do NOT pay that close attention to DoD.

When history looks back at this terrible state of affairs we will be judged harshly, and the military did all it could.. withhin the law, to warn the American people. They do have an UCMJ to contend with and Bush is still the CiC.

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Dark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 01:03 PM
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7. Yea, it certainly seemed that way.
The press didn't seem to be doing its job. Finally, journalists are beginning to ask questions Americans want and need to find out about.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 01:07 PM
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9. Gen. Shinseki was put in there as the Top Gun of the Armed Forces.
That they did not listen to him is akin to Hitler, etc, who thought they knew more than their Professional Warriors.
A recipe for disaster as we see unfold today.

Surrounds himself with Talent? Does he listen though? Pity as America pays dearly for this WHAT NOW? Prez and his lolo decisions.

Come, beer thirty: time for a drink.
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Athame Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 02:27 PM
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13. We started marching weekly in Santa Barbara back in early September
right after the remark about not launching new products in August. The word was out there and there was no doubt about what the WH was going to do. It really irritated me when the common comment was that people did not begin to speak out until January or February.
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Submariner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 01:20 PM
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10. I'm glad I'm not Yogi
I'd puke my guts out if I saw my name in the same sentence as GWB. Yogi deserves more than that kind of comparison.

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damnyankee Donating Member (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 02:04 PM
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11. 'If I'd told the truth, it would be like I wanted to go to war.'
LOL!

But I'll wager that it wasn't Dubya who rejected the 400K-troops idea -- that it was Rummy.

Interesting to see what a competent Pentagon had detetmined would be necessary to 'do it right,' and how far off Rummy was in how he did it.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 02:20 PM
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12. They both knew we didn't have 400,000 troops. One new plan coming right up
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