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TruthIsAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 05:10 PM
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Holy Shiite! Smoking Uzi! WP: Moussaoui non-arrest key to 9/11
This is the Washington Post.

We are close. Very close. It is unraveling. The mosaic is forming. The dots are connecting. The facts are out there for all to see.

There has to be a consequence.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A18864-2004Apr16.html

9/11 Panel Points to Missed Chances
Publicizing Threat Might Have Halted 'Jumpy' Hijackers
By Dan Eggen
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, April 17, 2004; Page A01


The commission investigating the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks has concluded that the hijackers would probably have postponed their strike if the U.S. government had announced the arrest of suspected terrorist Zacarias Moussaoui in August 2001 or had publicized fears that he intended to hijack jetliners.

A report on the case released this week noted that "publicity about the threat" posed by Moussaoui "might have disrupted the plot." Commission Chairman Thomas H. Kean (R) said the conclusion is based in part on extensive psychological profiles of the Sept. 11 hijackers, who were "very careful and very jumpy."

"Everything had to go right for them," Kean said. "Had they felt that one of them had been discovered, there is evidence it would have been delayed."

Such a delay could have given the FBI, the CIA, and British and French intelligence services more time to discover Moussaoui's ties to al Qaeda and the terrorist cell in Germany that planned the attack. The FBI also might have had more time to track down two hijackers who had entered the country but were not located before the attacks.

These and other findings disclosed by the commission this week make it clear that the scope of missed opportunities in the Moussaoui case was broader than previously believed. A wide array of U.S. counterterrorism officials and foreign intelligence services -- including the director of the CIA -- knew about Moussaoui's arrest but repeatedly missed the clues he offered to the catastrophe that was about to unfold, the reports and testimony show.

more..
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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 05:13 PM
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1. Is it Just Me?
Or do a lot of this tidbits seem to make the papers on Saturdays or come out and make late editions on Fridays ... and then essentially disappear by Monday except to those paying close attention?

Maybe I need to get a hat. :tinfoilhat:
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jbfam4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 05:22 PM
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3. you are right....check this out
April 18, 2004
9/11 Files Show Warnings Were Urgent and Persistent
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/18/politics/18SEPT.html?hp=&pagewanted=...
By DAVID JOHNSTON and JIM DWYER

"The commission found several previously undisclosed intelligence reports to Mr. Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney and national security aides dating back to April and May, when the volume of warnings began to increase. Mr. Bush was given briefing papers headlined, "Bin Laden Planning Multiple Operations," "Bin Laden Threats Are Real" and "Bin Laden's Plans Advancing."

then the one on Aug 6th.......BL determined to attack

No wonder Bush didn't want an investigation.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 06:35 PM
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16. No hat needed
big stories break on Saturdays when they want 'em buried. common knowldege
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Hong Kong Cavalier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 06:37 PM
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17. Nope..Friday is "Take out the trash day"
They always put a lot of stuff they don't want covered on Friday. A lot of it, becuase instead of spreading it out and giving each item 8 inches in a column in a newspaper, all 4 items (to use an example) would each have 2 inches in that same 8 inch column.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 05:14 PM
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2. But if they'd just provided a flow chart....
and perhaps a Power Point demonstration. With an annotated calendar and address book. THEN we could have put it together!

The cubicle mentality loses another one.
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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 05:27 PM
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4. now you know why Woodward's book is getting all the pub
THIS is the real story, along with the Deficiency Act violations

nobody's going to talk about this, unless some brave soul like Kristen Breitweiser calls a press conference, takes off all her clothes, and DEMANDS the media pay it the attention it deserves
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revcarol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 05:32 PM
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5. All these nice statements and the report will be a WHITEWASH.
And I will say, "I told you so."

They will come up with an MI5 type agency and say, "problem solved. case closed."
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enough Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 05:34 PM
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6. The WaPa story says the president not told of the arrest
snip>

According to staff reports and testimony this week, CIA Director George J. Tenet and his senior deputies were briefed on the case within days of Moussaoui's arrest, but never told the president, the White House counterterrorism group or even the acting director of the FBI, who learned about the case on the day of the attacks. The CIA brief given to Tenet was titled "Islamic Extremist Learns to Fly."

snip>
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 05:41 PM
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7. So, Tenet squashed it.
Finally we are getting somewhere!

Ok, so Tenet screwed up big time. He had a report and hid it. Well, so did someone in FBI. Wait, the FBI did the arrest and first report, then told CIA.... And they say there was no communication? Bullshit!~

LIHOP or MIHOP? The answer is:______
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TruthIsAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 05:45 PM
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8. Is this why Tenet first testified he did not meet with * in August?
Then he changed his story. He spoke to Bush on Aug 17.
Did he mention Moussaoui?
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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 05:48 PM
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9. beat me! I SO want Tenet charged with perjury/treason.....then testify
you know what that means.....either a pre-emptive pardon, OR, the other thing

either way, if there's any justice, then

oops, just woke up


didn't realize I could type in my sleep!
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 05:50 PM
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10. That's it, i'd bet.
Tenet, lying about a lie to cover up a lie, lies to the Commission.
Of course they knew what was happening and they couldn't let an honest cop stop the next "Pearl Harbor".

I say * has got about one more month, two tops. Get ready for President Cheney. Could be Hastert, the way things are going.
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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 09:04 PM
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25. Remember our own Simpleman? he thought that WP was going
to publish that Tenet did notify Bush* about Moussaoui on August 23rd. Did that happen?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=125&topic_id=10851
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OneTwentyoNine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 09:07 PM
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26. I find it DAMN hard to believe that Bush wasn't told at all...
They can shovel out the BS that Bush was never informed but I'm not buying. Bush knew and he knew what the attack plan would most likely go south if this turned into a big story. LIHOP??,oh Hell yes....


David
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Must_B_Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 05:55 PM
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11. The real issue is what Moussaoui knows
he knows something that blows the whole thing wide open and that's why he is walking.
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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 06:30 PM
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14. Yep, He also hates Ashcroft and has threatened to kill him. Something
happened here. I would guess a double cross of some kind, but that's just a guess.

The Bushies are testing out the legal system with Moussaoui. When he calls a witness Bush intervenes and says that it is a threat to national security; then Moussa walks because he can't get a fair trial.
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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 06:21 PM
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12. To top it off the person trying to expose Moussaoui (Collen Rowley)
Edited on Sat Apr-17-04 06:35 PM by 9215
was treated like a doormat and the person responsible for shutting her down Marion (Spike) Bowman was given an award by the Bush Admin!!

Also another strange occurance here is that of another FBI agent named Michael Guess. Guess inadvertently gave Moussaoui unattended access to a computer program on flying a 747 jumbo jet.
Guess later died as the co-pilot of Wellstone's ill-fated plane.
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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 06:32 PM
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15. Wellstone's plane??????- explain, please - needs own thread
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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 06:37 PM
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18. This has been discussed at DU before
The Flight School instructors who suspected Mousaoui was a possible hijacker were rebuffed by the FBI and had to go to their Congressman to get any action. One of the instructors was the co-pilot of the doomed Wellstone plane.
<http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/JohnJudge/linkscopy/PWcopilot.html>
MINNEAPOLIS - The co-pilot who died in the crash of Sen. Paul Wellstone's plane played a minor role in the case of Zacarias Moussaoui, the alleged Sept. 11 conspirator who briefly attended an Eagan flight school.
Co-pilot Michael Guess had performed administrative work at the Pan Am International Flight Academy last year as he continued accumulating flying hours. There he met Moussaoui, the school's most infamous student. .......
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Unknown Known Donating Member (829 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 07:58 PM
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21. Thanks for that reminder about Michael Guess/Mousaoui link
Almost forgot about that one. So many sinister plots - but the dots are coming together and the outline looks more like an octopus all the time.

And that's a BIG KICK for a very important thread!
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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 08:49 PM
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24. Like John O'Neill, who died in the WTC, I would like to know how
they got their new jobs after falling out of favor with the FBI.

There deaths are just to damn convenient.
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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 06:50 PM
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19. Here is the DU link:
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 07:15 PM
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20. oh lord
We didn't have any motive for the death of Wellstone before, but now we do. His pilot had a link to Moussaoui. The taking down of the Wellstone plane wasn't to kill Wellstone. It was to protect and insulate Moussaoui.

oh my oh my oh my.
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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 08:13 PM
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22. "Wellstone is a hunted man"
Edited on Sat Apr-17-04 08:13 PM by 9215
"In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happened, you can bet it was planned that way. "
Franklin Delano Roosevelt

Wellstone was a hunted man (John Nichols)http://www.disinfo.com/pages/news/id2840/pg1/

"Paul Wellstone, Fighter
originally posted May 9, 2002
"Paul Wellstone is a hunted man. Minnesota's senior senator is not just another Democrat on White House political czar Karl Rove's target list, in an election year when the Senate balance of power could be decided by the voters of a single state. Rather, getting rid of Wellstone is a passion for Rove, Dick Cheney, George W. Bush and the special-interest lobbies that fund the most sophisticated political operation ever assembled by a presidential administration. "There are people in the White House who wake up in the morning thinking about how they will defeat Paul Wellstone," a senior Republican aide confides. "This one is political and personal for them."
That has made it political and personal for Wellstone. The man who decided to abandon a self-imposed two-term limit on his Senate service at least in part because of his determination to block Bush's conservative agenda wears the target with pride. At a moment when most Democrats are still trying to figure out how to challenge a popular President, the former college wrestler is leaping into the ring. Wellstone is not running for cover; he is running to deliver a message about politics in a state and a nation that he believes to be far more progressive than the readers of political tea leaves in Washington could begin to imagine."
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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 08:15 PM
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23. Guess and John O'Neill, two "people who knew to much",
met similar odd fates.
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NecessaryOnslaught Donating Member (691 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-04 06:26 PM
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13. What Hijackers?
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 01:04 PM
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27. KICKING THIS due to the FBI/Wellstone/Guess/Moussaoui connections
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liarliartieonfire Donating Member (448 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 03:28 PM
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28. Untangling the Giant Web of the Bush Spider Hole
Paul Wellstone was a marked man. Carl Rove and Dick Cheney not even American in my eyes. They are deeply entrenched in their own world of power and evil.

This also needs to be shoved at the masses, continuously, until it gets deserved attention.

When will a Grand Jury be assembled on behalf of the horrific crimes of the Bush administration? I believe it will happen, maybe not until we have the power of the House & Senate to see it through.

Until then we need to carry on exposing the crimes, assembling the info, and telling the masses.

What an enormous and far reaching monster these people of Rove & Cheney/Bush are.

We've probably only touched the tip of this massive web.

Absolutely sickening. What a waste. Here's to you Senator Wellstone.
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jean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 03:35 PM
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29. Kick
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