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ludwigb (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-04 12:45 PM Original message |
Why We Need Conscription |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-04 12:47 PM Response to Original message |
1. I agree overall. |
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IrateCitizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-04 12:57 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. The draft didn't prevent Vietnam... |
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ludwigb (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-04 01:05 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. Well |
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IrateCitizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-04 01:08 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. History would teach us otherwise |
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ludwigb (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-04 02:26 PM Response to Reply #11 |
27. Well |
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IrateCitizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-04 02:28 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. Have you ever served yourself, ludwigb? |
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ludwigb (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-04 02:33 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. No |
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IrateCitizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-04 02:40 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. Then you're advocating things of which you have no real clue |
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ludwigb (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-04 02:53 PM Response to Reply #34 |
38. In response to your first point |
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Kanary (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-04 03:26 PM Response to Reply #11 |
39. I'm completely with you on "alternative service" |
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ParanoidPat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-04 01:23 PM Response to Reply #7 |
19. One word..... |
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freetobegay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-04 12:52 PM Response to Original message |
2. Conscription undemocratic |
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betty_booop (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-04 02:44 PM Response to Reply #2 |
36. couldn't be more correct |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-04 12:56 PM Response to Original message |
3. Conscription is slavery |
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ludwigb (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-04 01:02 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. That's not what I'm advocating.... |
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FeebMaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-04 01:05 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. How exactly does that make it not slavery? (nt) |
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ludwigb (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-04 01:12 PM Response to Reply #8 |
13. Because universal conscription is based upon true equality |
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FeebMaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-04 01:15 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. Whether or not rich people and politicians' kids |
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Paranoid_Portlander (823 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-04 01:41 PM Response to Reply #13 |
22. It's also based on threat of imprisonment. |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-04 01:05 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. Which countries are you referring to here? |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-04 01:03 PM Response to Original message |
6. This Conscript stuff is the Nader principle in action.... |
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ugarte (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-04 01:06 PM Response to Original message |
10. We do NOT need a bigger army |
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ludwigb (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-04 01:16 PM Response to Reply #10 |
16. Well... |
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Sorwen (138 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-04 01:11 PM Response to Original message |
12. No way |
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Columbia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-04 01:15 PM Response to Original message |
15. The only way I *might* support conscription |
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ludwigb (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-04 01:20 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. The Swiss model |
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Columbia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-04 01:34 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. I would still prefer |
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charlie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-04 02:04 PM Response to Reply #17 |
23. The Swiss are pacifists |
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ludwigb (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-04 02:19 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. First of all, |
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IrateCitizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-04 02:22 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. The Swiss are NOT pacifists, they're neutral |
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ludwigb (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-04 02:29 PM Response to Reply #25 |
29. What is the difference between neutrality and pacifism? |
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IrateCitizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-04 02:34 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. Do you seriously not realize the difference? |
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ludwigb (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-04 02:44 PM Response to Reply #32 |
37. Point taken |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-04 02:24 PM Response to Reply #17 |
26. Great Examples.... |
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ludwigb (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-04 02:35 PM Response to Reply #26 |
33. That's a valid point on Switzerland |
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IrateCitizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-04 02:43 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. Their "pacific spirit" has nothing to do with their current service req. |
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ugarte (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-04 01:20 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. Hear, hear! |
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bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-04 01:34 PM Response to Original message |
21. I should probably just move to a country that isn't into the big military |
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KamaAina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-04 02:32 PM Response to Original message |
30. Senator Tim Johnson's son is in the Army and has served in Iraq |
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