real story on the Catholic bishops position on Kerry

heard on NPR over the weekend.

Only 4 bishops have said that they wish to deny Kerry and pro-choice politicians Communion. Over 100 American bishops are silent on this point.

In Europe, the bishops have stated that they will NOT deny a politician Communion because of his political stand.

This is a right wing ploy.

Also, the story on the Catholic right-winger in Sugar Land in the Washington Post is misleading. That person is nowhere nohow representative of Catholics. Not even conservative Catholics.

I think I hear the Right Wing echo chamber. Hitler was right about the Big Lie -- the more you tell it, the more "truthful" it seems.

Bishops and cardinals are already campaigning for their chosen candidates.
Sadly, most Catholics don't know how political the process is. If they did, they might question the "divinity" of the Pope.

They specialize in spreading bullshit accusation. it doesn't matter if its true. Spain's President Zapatero is way more liberal than Kerry and the Catholic church hasn't condemned him!

"Judge not, as ye shall be judged!"

What about the rape rooms in the back rooms of churches in America, should we nuke the Later Day "Saints" too?

and only serves to be inflamatory and insulting....why are you posting it?

of those bishops.

"Abortion is terrible!

Child-molestation is no big deal!" -the Catholic hierarchy.

My point exactly! TY!

read the story posted. It's about how the people saying things about Kerry and other Pro-Choice politicians are the DECIDED MINORITY among the clergy.

It brings in an outside, irrelevant issue slamming Catholicism to a discussion about the fact that the Catholic Clergy is not doing what the media is claiming.

Perhaps you are right, in both cases its blown out of proportion to split Catholics and the left.

These self appointed spokesmen for God, are what I find inflammatory and insulting! The church has upheld far worse things in the past than John Kerry has EVER done, in my opinion! What is between John Kerry and God is John Kerry's problem and I trust that John Kerry's God will judge him as prescribed by the Bible one day!

What Bush has done with his lying, killing and stealing, seems like much higher crimes to me, but Jerry and Pat still love Bush and give him his bread and wine! I don't intend to place my soul in the hands of liars and cheats like I see in just about every church that I've looked at lately!

If you care to attack me again please do so in a pm!

I attacked what you said which was indeed inflammatory. Did you read what cap posted? Or just see CATHOLIC and go into attack mode? Did you note that it is the decided minority that the media is seizing on to attack Kerry on and try to split American Catholics away from the democratic party?

Catholics are largely Pro-Choice. Child Molestation is done by a very small minority of priests. Child Molestation occurs in roughly equal percentage of Pastors, Rabbis, Mullahs and other religious leaders, but is still covered up. Why the attacks on Catholics? Not because its not wrong, but because it makes for a great wedge issue and the Republicans are trying to steal the sizeable Catholic voting bloc from the Democrats. Way to play into their hands with irrelevant invective.

I'm also talking about fundies taking 13 year old brides and who knows what else and then judging other people! I know the GOPer spin masters are out to drive in EVERY wedge they can every time they can! I just talked to a preacher this very morning who heard from his church leadership that it's a done deal that Mrs. Clinton will be Kerry's running mate! I don't know if Gawd or Karl Rove told the church that, but I suspect it was Karl!

Most Catholic bishops don't want to be involved.

The Catholic political agenda is represented by the US Conference of Catholic Bishops and not the Christian Coalition. This is why they don't want to break ranks with pro-choice politicians.

If I were a Catholic, I think this would put me over the top and out of there.

or maybe they just don't care....ever think of that?

... on the statement issues by the Papal representative from the Vatican vis a vis pro-choice Catholics and access to the Catholic sacraments and so forth?

not the Pope and the Church is decentralized. The cardinals in the US will not act on that man's opinion. The cardinals in Europe will ignore it even more blatantly.

Arinze (the Papal representative that you mentioned) just lost his shot at being the Pope. The cardinals are jealous of their local perogatives.

and the catholics need to quit being silent. there is an obligation here. this is part of your christianity. it is your church. not mine. i cannot go in and say what hypocrits, i cannot refuse communion for kerry. i sont have a place to do it. but the catholics do. the preists and nuns do. why arent they being more than silent

this is how fascism is created. all the groups are silent and allow it

evil can only happen if the good people are quiet

is anyone even reading what was posted?

and i am tired of this right wing bs taking religion and contaminating it while the leaders of said religions stay quiet, and while those that participate in religion stay quiet as they feel and know the hypocrisy.

i live in the religion belt i know the right wing and their manipulation of religion and i see continually all the people around me allow it to happen.

i read the article, and until people start standing up for themselves they will be bullied to quiet, they will be manipulated used and abused

next weekend, saturday evening, i am painting a sign, and i am going to my friends catholic church a sign that says, how many use birth control, support death penalty, for gay rights and pro life. refuse communion.

Birth Control. That is why they are not going to open that can of worms.

that is of the Catholics who've ever had sex!

Over 80% use Birth Control (not the rhythm method).

BC, some infertility treatments and Abortion are viewed the same by the Catholic Church. They know the statistics on Catholic Women and BC, that is why they won't even go there.

Bush being for the death penalty is against his church (United Methodist Church). Bush and his church also differ on positions of gun control, social security, and vouchers.

in the killings of hundreds of prison inmates. John Kerry is a simple advocate of a general policy.

Saint Rudy Giuliani has been pretty quiet on this subject. Has he paid for a second anullment and become eligible to receive communion despite his pro-choice views?