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Bundbuster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 12:59 AM
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Global population MUST be reduced by billions for PNAC's hiers
Having unfortunately grown up in a PNAC/CLC (Cheap-labor-conservatives) community, I know well that one of their highest priorities is to pass on their ill-begotten privilege and spoils to their heirs. In the year 2003, they MUST know (but will not publicly admit) that if their policies of global environmental destruction & militarism continue, their grandchildren will be inheriting a vastly corrupted and compromised quality of life. This leads me to the following conclusions:

Studies have shown that if current resource demand/strain/pollution continue unabated, in order to sustain today's "quality of life", the planet's population could not exceed 3-4 billion in approx. 30 years. Since the Junta is doggedly accelerating their policies of resource and non-renewable energy pillaging, they must either -

1) Have a master plan for reducing global population by 2-3 billion people to ensure a comfortable niche for their family trees.

2) Have mutated into an even more selfish life-form than what I witnessed growing up amongst them in the 1950's & '60's, now not even caring about their family trees' destiny.

3) Believe that American science & ingenuity will suddenly come to the rescue with immediate environmental crisis solutions.

I've engaged most of my friends (familiar with the PNAC/CLC profile) in all-night discussions of LOGIC on this ugly scenario, bearing in mind that these meglomaniacs may be all forms of evil but not stupid (shrub aside). The logic almost always points to #1, then to how the population reduction would be implemented. Not trying to depress you, I'm asking you to logically think this through and give your feedback. Just keep in mind the "primary directive" - that for these Manifest Destiny powermongers, passing on the "good life" to their heirs is an inherent necessity.
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mhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 01:07 AM
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1. The Answer
WMDs - selective use of biological agents.

Very few other methods would be cost effective enough to contemplate.

This would make the Nazis look like pikers.
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Bundbuster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 01:13 AM
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2. "Selective use of biological agents"
A logical coclusion - U.S.-led wars are definitely untidy and definitely not cost-effective, however PNAC-instigated "civil wars" would be an option.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 01:31 AM
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3. There is no way to take over Middle East oil and the Caspian basin
Without murdering millions of people.

So, is it likely that's the plan? Yeah.
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 01:38 AM
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4. I read today that
the DOD was working on a gene specific biological weapon
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Bundbuster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 02:09 AM
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8. liberalnproud -are you speaking of...
a genetically selective plague which would infect, say, Arabs-only, Blacks-only, or Asians-only? If so, that is the exact most-evil scenario which my friends' analysis of PNAC logic have come to. The question is then: are they willing to sacrifice Asian-Americans, African-Americans, Arab-Americans? I can hardly write of this, but if you refer to my original post it is not beyond the pale for the bund (shudder & weep).
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 02:15 AM
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9. I will try to look and remember
Edited on Fri Aug-08-03 02:21 AM by liberalnproud
where I read this today and come back and post

here it is
fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/030403_genetic_p1.html
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Bundbuster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 02:44 AM
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11. This is a MUST read for all DU'ers
Here is the click-on link for the article which liberalnproud just referred - thanks so much lib!

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/030403_genetic_p1.html

Warning - read this on an empty stomach, maybe take a Xanax or 6-pack. It highlights some of the most perverse evil, by more than just American imperialists, ever conceived. I will spend tomorrow following the many threads in this article and get back here with more. Thanks to all you late-nighters who have contributed to this thread. I was afraid I would get flamed off as a conspiracy nut.

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Mal Donating Member (213 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 03:29 AM
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12. I know I'm a minority here
but I don't believe any government on this planet (not even the US) is insane enough to develope a race-specific virus. But don't lose heart! There are organisations, most of them American, that are insane enough! The KKK and Neo-Nazi groups, for instance. Of course, once such a disease is out there, is it really as specific as all that? Something impassionate scientific types know is that the difference in genes between races is practically non-existant, but would people religiously convinced of their own racial superiority understand something like that?
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Bundbuster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 04:07 AM
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13. You're not in a minority, methinks
What we have controlling this country and planet now goes WAY beyond any government. I simply call it "The Octopus", signifying an all-embracing, smothering, usually secretive and private conglomeration of corporate/military/often religious-based racist interests in addition to greed-based administrations such as the current bund. Often they masquerade as consultant "Think Tanks" or vague imperialist fraternities such as the Carlyle (sp?) Group. The more evil the Domination agenda, the more distanced the group doing the dirty work of research & promotion must be from the actual "Government". Think about it - in these times how can one separate the "Government" from the rest of the Octopus? Think about from where these characters like Kissenger, Rumsfeld, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Perle, Rice, Baker, etc. evolved from, and where they'll wind up with a golden parachute when their time in government is done. It's all a blur, and it all speaks to world resource & profit domination.
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Emillereid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 01:42 AM
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5. There is a lot of buzz on the internet about Kissinger
asserting in a 1974 classified memorandum that the US should engage in depopulation -- there are many papers etc. theorizing that AIDs for instance might have been developed and introduced as part of such a plan.

Aids comes from monkeys
Researchers track down AIDS virus to monkeys
June 14 2003

<snip>
1. "Depopulation should be the highest priority of US foreign policy towards the Third World".
2. "Reduction of the rate of population in these states is a matter of vital US national security".
3. "The US economy will require large and increasing amounts of minerals from abroad, especially from less-developed countries. That fact gives the US enhanced interests in the political, economic and social stability of the supplying countries. Wherever a lessening of population can increase the prospects for such stability, population policy becomes relevant to resources, supplies and the economic interest of the United States".

The National Security Council. NSSM 200 - "Implications of Worldwide Population Growth for US Security & Overseas Interests", Washington DC, the White House, December 10, 1974. Declassified July 3, 1989.

Henry Kissinger wrote the above report in 1974, ten years before the announcement of the discovery of the HIV virus.

The scientific community state that HIV entered the human population of Africa for the first time around 1975, just months after this top-secret agenda. Tests on blood and tissue samples collected in Central Africa from 1964 - 1975 showed no evidence of HIV infection. "Something dramatic happened in 1975", said leading AIDS scientist Dr. Jay Levy. ...more...

http://asp.african-institute.org/debate_show.asp?Subject=Aids%20comes%20from%20monkeys

There's also a long, detailed, well referenced student paper on the topic the US strategy of depopulation:

How the Government May Have Created AIDS


<snip> The first point was that in the early 1970's, Henry Kissinger wrote a
top secret document -- a National Security Memorandum ("NSM 200") -- in
which he indicated that "depopulation should be the highest priority of US
foreign policy towards the Third World." This Memorandum which can be
obtained from the US National Archives, which was only declassified very
quietly in 1990, was adopted by the National Security Council as official
US foreign policy towards the Third World. Now, this is a classic example
of the "secret government" in action, because of none of this was known to
the Congress, and certainly, it was not known to the American people. Did
any of you know that depopulation was considered a matter of US national
security? Did any of you know that for the past 20 years, depopulation has
been the highest long-range priority of US foreign policy towards the Third
World? No you didn't, because it was classified -- it was a secret.

I would like to read for you just a piece of this document. It is
written by Henry Kissinger:

"Reduction of the rate of population in these States is a matter of
vital US national security." Kissinger]

And we even have a map of those areas in which Kissinger indicates
where depopulation would be desireable. It's all Third World countries --...more...

http://freestudentessays.com/get_essays/health/18_1_24.shtml

just do a google on Kissinger and depopulation

I sure wouldn't put it past Kissinger -- that one is evil incarnate!


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Bundbuster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 02:00 AM
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7. Great post Emillereid
Obviously you've been considering this scenario. Can't think of anyone more qualified or likely to enunciate this "Depopulation Priority" than Kissenger, who epitomizes the whole gang. Not sure I can embrace the HIV/AIDS conspiracy, but maybe that's just me trying to maintain my sanity. NOTHING is beyond this bund.
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Bundbuster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 02:22 AM
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10. Em -
Do you have a link to the entire 1974 Kissenger document? Seems to me it should be disseminated to as many reading eyes as possible. Even though this issue has been on my mind for years, reading that document's snips almost makes me suicidal. The whole scenario is one of those... "As an intelligent member of the world community, I want to know...but I don't know if I can handle the truth."
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Bundbuster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 01:52 AM
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6. Cheap-labor-conservatives' theolgy...
on global populations is: They are to be valued only as

1) extractors of their nation's resources
2) minimum-paid workers producing goods for multinational corporations or NAFTA trade partner nations
3) consumers of American products
4) soldiers in American-friendly "coalition" militaries
5) potential recipients of overpaid Americans' jobs

The rest are merely drains on the planet's resources, thus not only unnecessary but undesirable.
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