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WillyBrandt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 11:31 PM
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Just saw the crappy anti-Dean Club For Growth Ad
Here

http://www.clubforgrowth.org/video/backtovermont.wmv

Yes, a long time ago. Man, what loons these fucks are
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wuushew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 11:36 PM
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1. Why is growth desirable?
Be it economic, population or other? Growth has limits and in many ways the American lifestyle is dependant on it like some massive house of cards.


I would swap economic growth for economic justice and equity, and population growth with ZPG or NPG. Seems better all the way around.
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WillyBrandt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 11:39 PM
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2. Growth is very desireable
Nothing evenly split gives you nothing. And don't buy into the conservative myth that ecnomic growth necessarily requires greater resource consumption, less regulation, etc.

It can happen by the advance of technology, and usually does. More to the point, there's little contradiction between economic growth and equality/social justice, despite what conservatives like to pretend.

Moreover, economic growth makes it easier to find money and opportunity to advance justice initiatives.

(So yes, I think "Club for Growth" is a bullshit name)
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wuushew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 11:47 PM
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3. Standards of living can improve without western style growth
Edited on Tue Apr-27-04 11:49 PM by wuushew
look at stocks..they are only a useful investment as long as earnings increase which in turn usually come from increased demand.

A basic good is increased in demand by population growth. Investing in realestate is the same way. Many of the ways that individuals acculate wealth is not through their labor but by the speculative growth of a consummer based economy.

Look at the national debt, even under Clinton a main thrust of not allowing the debt to swallow us was by the ever decreasing relative size of the debt to the national economy and the gradual inflation of the dollar.

This is not even touching the enviromental impact of conspicuous consumption.

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WillyBrandt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-04 06:01 AM
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4. Not true. It's a mistake
to think that all growth is driven by conspicuous consumption--despite the fact that such consumption is, well, conspicuous, it's not a huge chunk of growth.

Moreover, I read somewhere that 20% of growth comes from increased capital, with 80% coming from improved technology. Which is kind of just what you want to see.
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