Nightline thread

I could live without the loud commercial interruptions.

really spoils the moment

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These are PSA's, not corporate commercials.

I am in NY

New one knocking Kerry on spending for the troops. Looks like Rove is trying to take advantage of this!

... I couldn't believe it — a shameless Bu$hCo attack ad. How tacky. How unpatriotic to desecrate the fallen soldiers dignity with a disgusting political attack ad! :grr:

Since they went to commercial quietly, the next thing you heard after the list of names was "AHM GEORGE BUSH, AND AHH APPROVE THIS MESSAGE"

He certainly did.

was really bizarre.

but i guess they're going in the order of death rather than alphabetically

Hi,

I believe the names are being read in order....there are names that have been burned in my brain.

Anyone else crying? So many babies, 18, 19, 20 year olds. I've got a houseful of teens tonight...some are wondering in to watch. They are all very quiet. I hope they learn something watching this.

Tears,
Kim

The whole thing is unbearably sad, but the worst are the senior pictures being used for the teenagers who have died. I'm still badly shaken.

Has anyone noticed how young most of them are? I feel for all of them, no matter what their age, but god, 18 and 19 year olds losing their lives and for what? :cry:

NT

Let's face it - there are a lot of dead in all categories.

When I saw how many in their 30's and 40's I thought about the families being destroyed. Children growing up without parents. Then the picture of the soldier holding the baby really slammed that home.

I also thought I would like to see a Nightline like this for the soldiers who have become disabled in Iraq. Of course it would take at least a week of Nightline episodes to recite that many names.

Very tasteful and respectful tribute. Bravo Nightline.

It couldn't be more tastefully done.

to allow all names to be read, those killed in combat and otherwise.

Koppel will make a statement at the end.

There's no music, and the break to commercial is silent.

It's tasteful and respectful, although I didn't expect anything less.

This is quite heartbreaking. Every single person in America should be forced to watch this in it's entirety.

We know Bush isn't watching though... he's been in bed for hours now.

i lost count.....it's almost hypnotic looking back and forth with slight eye movements to see the faces..
and the photos of the coffins, not a person.
high school photos
the pic of the soldier kissing a baby.
all the smiles gone now.

:cry:

dp

those who have died in Afghanistan too.

... honored a local boy killed in Afghanistan. They interviewed his father, who was offended that his son was not to be recognized with the others.

Simply heartbreaking.

My sons and their friends are all about their ages. They had everything ahead of them. I'm so glad that Koppel is doing this for them and their families. It's a high cost to pay, these soldiers were our future.

A waste of precicous lives.

For what? NOTHING!

TED... GO FOR IT!

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instead of Nightline.:mad:

Fuck Sinclair!

it's the one that's not showing Nightline. So they're showing a FAKE news show clearly geared to spin it to Sinclair's benefit.

Thanks for spotting that! gotta watch... *sad*

:puke: :grr:
:cry:

Man with his baby. I'm crying now...

FUCK YOU BUSH!!!!

I'm watching on a Fox channel that's showing it, strange to say.

. . . from the National Guard who, when they joined, had no idea a fucking psycho in the White House was going to send them to Iraq to die.

I'm sick to my stomach.

in detail...
David Smith (R), Chairman
http://www.newsmeat.com/fec/bystate_detail.php?st=MD&last=Smith&first=David

David B. Amy (R), CFO
http://www.newsmeat.com/fec/bystate_detail.php?st=MD&last=Amy&first=David

M. William Butler (?), VP Programming
http://www.newsmeat.com/fec/bystate_detail.php?city=BALTIMORE&st=MD&last=Butler&first=William

Mark E. Hyman (R), VP Corporate Relations
http://www.newsmeat.com/fec/bystate_detail.php?st=MD&last=Hyman&first=Mark

Daniel C. Keith (R), Director
http://www.newsmeat.com/fec/bystate_detail.php?st=MD&last=Keith&first=Daniel

Martin R. Leader (R), Director
http://www.newsmeat.com/fec/bystate_result.php?first=Martin&last=Leader&st=

Steven M. Marks (D), VP Regional Director
http://www.newsmeat.com/fec/bystate_detail.php?st=MD&last=Marks&first=Steven

Lawrence E. McCanna (R), Director
http://www.newsmeat.com/fec/bystate_detail.php?st=MD&last=McCanna&first=Lawrence

Nat Ostroff (R), VP New Technology
http://www.newsmeat.com/fec/bystate_detail.php?st=MD&last=Ostroff&first=Nathaniel

Delbert R. Parks, III (R), VP Operations
http://www.newsmeat.com/fec/bystate_detail.php?st=MD&last=Parks&first=Delbert

Delbert R. Parks, III (R), VP Operations
http://www.newsmeat.com/fec/bystate_detail.php?st=MD&last=Parks&first=Delbert

Men, Women, African-American, White, Hispanic, young, old, from every walk of life.

Bush and his administrations should burn in Hell for this.

Quite a conflict for me.

Edit: Hillary and Dave are joking about her book vs. Bill's book. I guess I'll stick to Nightline.

so sad

of prom/HS class/college graduation photos...words cannot express

I put it on "in the background" while I'm on my computer, but I'm finding that I can't turn away. So many people who are so young, some of the pictures are graduation photos. Oh man, they just showed a picture of someone kissing a (his?) baby. A friend of mine almost re-enlisted in the Army (as a career decision) just a few months before all this shit went down. I thank God every day that things didn't work out and he didn't do it--I could be looking at his picture.

It looks like Koppel made a point of learning how to pronounce the names before the show; kudos for that.

to get the right pronunciation, and apologized in advance if he mispronounced any of them.

Koppel is a class act.

and came up to 17 if I didn't miss any by looking away.

I thought I was going to be put off by a recitation of names, but when they put a face to it with pictures, it made my eyes wet, especially since my son is serving in Abu Ghraib just now.

What really honked me off was the Bush campaign commercial between segments.

n/t

... and I'm afraid my anxiety and depression aren't helping matters.

God, that was hard to watch ... so many kids. Good for Koppel, though, for taking a chance to show the cost of this insanity.

For yourselves. For Michael. For all of us. Peace.

What's the latest you've heard from Michael?

... but I can as Michael's dad. He's only communicating by e-mail ...no phone calls, no letters. The last message we got from him spoke to the generosity of the DU'ers. He's already getting packages. Some of mine seem to be getting lost in transit (a letter to him was returned to me after having swirled around in the system of military delivery. It was over two months old.

But yes indeed; he's getting packages already from you good people, and he sends his thanks. He seems to want to thank you each personally by e-mail or by return address, so I'll leave it up to him and not be a broker for his gratitude except to say that as his dad I appreciate what you folks are doing. You're very kind.

I've spoken w/ Mari on the phone & emails, & I know it's been extremely difficult for you and her. My heart breaks for all of you. We've got to bring all the troops home now because they did NOT ask for this so-called war. Let those who are profitting from it, go there themselves w/ their family and friends. I pray that Michael's ok, every day I hear something bad and am scared for you and the others. This week, people from our area have been getting killed. Seems they rotate the front lines w/ the different divisions. Heaven forbid. One family has already spoken out to the local media and I'm sure shit's going to fly, which it should, it's WAY overdue! And now w/ the nuts gearing up for the draft, I hope every DU'er takes the time to fill out the online form to get on their local draft board because it takes about a week for the paperwork to come back.

all these young, BEAUTIFUL people. all dead for a lie.

what a waste of such PRECIOUS life.

all for a lie.

of these kids -- not to mention the elders who have also died over there?

I would go and see, but... ewww.

They can't handle the truth. The truth is their kryptonite. They can't deal with the reality of their polices and their twisted, sick view of the world.

Let me know what he says at the end, please.

On edit: Jimmy said he thought what Koppel did was the right thing and that it's good to put faces with the names.

On re-edit: Toronto City TV (which carries the Buffalo ABC affiliate) came back from Jimmy just in time for me to hear Koppel say "that was not what this was about". What else did he say?

making it clear he was siding with neither those who are pro-war or anti-war, that the intent was to rise above politics and honor those who had died. There is a real cost to war and those faces shown are the ones paying it.

he supports the war. I can't get past that.

Will any reporter be brave enough to ask if they did?

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RACK HIM!!

I think so.

I'm sure a transcript will appear somewhere on the web, but it was totally apolitical. Ted spoke what he thinks both sides of the war issue could say about the show and then said that it wasn't about either of those positions, and that he is not against "the war," whatever that means.

he said the he isn't opposed to the War in Iraq and that we may decide it's worth it as part of The War on Terror.

Also that 400,000 Americans were killied in WW II.

'they died for a war that did not have to be fought...'

that's a close enough paraphrase, and i was suprised to hear him say it.


damn Ted K, you shouldn't have dissed on Kucinich so early on. He's called for the end, pull out the troops all along, and we should have, and Dennis was and is still right.

so a year from now, will be there a "The Fallen II" ?
dp

He was fair, and that is all we're asking for. Enough with the partisan crap, this is a great debate on our future. Not a good vs evil, a debate.

It was well put. I don't necessarily agree with him, but that's beside the point.

Those men and women died in the course of an invasion, overthrow and occupation based on WMD (not there), liberating the Iraqi people (we have killed a minimum of ten thousand plus of them), and the global political theory of spreading democracy in the Mideast through military force. THESE ARE FACTS. FACTS ARE NOT PARTISAN.

Any time soldiers and invadees die under these circumstances, you cannot avoid the political repercussions of reading the names and showing the faces of the dead.

I would much rather have heard Ted say, "If you get a political message from this broadcast, that is up to you."

. . .than man took a lot of heat for what he did he was even handed. But because he did not use the dead to crucify Bush does not mean he is chickenshit, it means he has class. . .something someone who would call him chickenshit probably knows something about.

Historical.

"you may think that I oppose the war. I don't."

Meh. It was still a respectful tribute.

and qualifying that with "just because there's a war, it doesn't mean it or our leaders should be absent from dissent, criticism, or debate" (paraphrased)

But it did. It was both the cumulative effect and the individual faces.

Each of those people "belonged" to someone, was loved by someone. And they will never have them again.

but those bastards got Koppel to admit at the end that he's not opposed to the war. Boooooo. Quit hangin' with Henry Kissinger, Ted! He's filling your head with Repuglican doo-doo!

to see all those faces
Ted should have just ended with, we showed our brave men and women to honor them, period.

By the end of that it was clear it wasn't about Ted anymore.

I didn't even care what he had to say. So, he did his job, I think.

so sad

could be my children

but, that was not to be this time around.

i see beautiful boy after beautiful boy and it just breaks my heart. oh, not that I would ever have a one of them, but I see these boys every day in NYC. on the subway, on the street... you wonder, what's ahead? who will love you? who will you love?

it is too sad. and, for nothing. nothing.

watched about 30 minutes and was tearing up.

The commercials are such a jolt --in the middle of a funeral procession? There it is – profits are more important than people.

Probably the advertisers had no opportunity to produce a company spot that said, “blah, blah, blah, to our fallen.” However, advertisers could have certainly contacted ABC and said that they would exchange their commercially produced advertisements for a tastefully worded statement about The Fallen.

BUT NO! Bring out your dead and bring out your dollars. Blech! Ack!

How do you figure deaths read per minute to the commercial ratio?

PUKE.. coughcoughcough...

More than 700 people. All gone. Most of whom would be here if it wasn't for Bush.

Is this what God told him to do? To send these poor men and women to die for NO REASON? That's not any God I pray to. I don't believe in Hell, but right now I'm wishing it could be created just for Bush, Cheney, and the rest. It's so fucking disgraceful.

I especially wanted to gasp, and my heart sunk deeper, when I saw the pictures of the women, all beautiful, who have died in Iraq.

Flog me if you must.

Conan O' Brien just did a short bit about it. Their announcer read the names of shows that Sinclair broadcasting felt were appropriate to air. Including:

• Temptation Island
  
• Are You Hot?
  
• I'm a Celebrity, Get Me Out of Here!
  
• The Maury Povitch show, including these episodes...
  
• ...I slept with 20 men, are you my baby's daddy?
  
• ...You slept with 20 men, I'm sure the baby's not mine...
  
• etc...
  
• ... and finally: Yes, Dear

(from memory, hope I got close...)

paraphrasing, but he said it wasn't right for a few to sacrifice while the rest of us are seemingly unaffected by the war . . . sounds like his purpose was to spread the responsibility and the pain among all of us, which is where it belongs . . .