Freepers dismiss Iraqi tourture as "Frat Pranks"

Of course - they are being shielded from reality by the FR mods...

Will somebody please post the "blow job" shot at FR?
That shot has been omitted from every post over there...

If any DU is hosting any of the pics that are being leeched by FR - play some games with the file names so they HAVE to see that picture.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1127572/posts

Frat Pranks my ass...

COGNITIVE DISONANCE.

They cannot deal with this as a reality

was Frat prank.

Scroll down toward the end of this and ask them if it were their kid, would you not raise arms against your foe?

Very Graphic
<http://www.aljazeera.net/news/arabic/2003/3/3-22-26.htm>

They complained that I was not putting them in proper context.

Whatever.

"This girl with the blown-off legs is now free under American occupation." or "This kid with the crushed skull was not targeted by our peace-loving missiles."

...take off all of your clothes, put black hoods over your heads, and lay/climb on top of each other. Then tell the whole world how this is good/normal.

:puke:

There's NO WAY to justify this - just stop trying, cause every time you try, you just make yourselves look THAT MUCH MORE STUPID!

i wouldn't be surprised if frat pranks included blowing each other while loudly declaring their heterosexuality on a not-so-rare occasion. that along other sexual and non-quite-as-sexual abuse.

a frat killed a kid where i went to school too. they kept force-feeding him alcohol after he was passed out, till he passed out forever. with that sort of perspective, yeah. these acts are not all that unlike "frat pranks."

before any of you frat boys out there get too bunched up, i'm sure you're not *all* complete assholes, much less sex abusers. it's just that you tend to have an especially high percentage of them compared to the general population.

you freepers aren't all repressed homosexuals, just a high percentage compared to the general population.

You cheapen us all when you dismiss any group of individuals in such an off-hand way.

As a fraternity man myself, I'll kindly have you know that the vast majority of fraternities never engage in that kind of behavior. The portrayal of fraternities as "animal houses" is a media distortion and myth. I thank you for not perpetuating it.

I played in rock bands..so I was in Fraternaties a lot.

My experiences at PennState would tend to contradict that...those Frat boyz party HARD...

I can remember packs of Naked dudes running down the street...carrying each other in carts...

Riots...

Major Cocaine traffic...

Drug and Alchol hazing...

Wild group gang-bang sex.

Hieny paddling

Surely this wasn't at every frat...but I don't think I could honestly say that "the vast majority of fraternities never engage in that kind of behavior."

By the way - the "Skull House" was the biggest perpetrator of this stuff...

Maybe it's cleaned up a bit...

my own national fraternity currently has over 7,000 undergraduate members at this moment, and more than 150,000 alumni members ... and we aren't even in the top 10 largest fraternities. To extrapolate, there are literally millions of fraternity members--current and alumni--out there.

TKE ... the world's largest fraternity ... has nearly a quarter of a million members.

So, draw all the generalizations you want based on your own narrow experiences, but I stand by my statement.

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'cept TKE's not greek. :P

;)
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BTW - I'm not seeking to equate rowdy frat boy activities with the Iraqi torture...

and I'm not trying to start a flame war, just stand up for my brothers. :)

My experience includes not simply my own chapter, but visits to other chapters throughout the northeast. I've also attended regional and national conferences for my own fraternity and the Inter-Fraternity Council, and made visits to several college campuses as an intercollegiate rugby player.

In the 15 years since I first became a member I've also talked with many other greeks about their fraternity experiences.

Without a doubt I have met a lot of asswipes out there who give us all a bad name, and I've heard some stories that make me ashamed for the system. However, I also understand that the numbers are against claiming that those individuals and experiences represent the majority of all fraternity members.

There is also the bias against greek organizations at work here, too. I'm not equating racism with greek-bashing, but the media manipulation works the same way. If the only greeks you see are the ones who get busted for hazing, etc. or the ones you see in movies like "Animal House" or "Old School," then it's easy to make assumptions about all greeks, just as if the only blacks you see are the ones doing the perp walk on the six o'clock news it's easy to assume all blacks are criminals.

Your experience is also limited, as fraternities who can afford to hire bands are usually at larger schools, where you generally have larger chapters, which means less control over the behavior of members, and where you generally have a more diverse student body, which means that you have a higher percentage of students who are not there to be a student, but there to party.

I guess I just take this stuff personally. I work in a high school and have to deal with nimrods who think college and fraternities are about partying, or alterna-chick wannabes who think fraternities are all about gang rape and sexual harrassment. I come from a chapter that in the time I was there graduated 1 valedictorian, 1 future priest, 8 future PhD's & MD's, far too many future lawyers, and a handful of future teachers. That's damned impressive, IMHO, for a chapter that never had more than 30 members in that time. Sadly, we also had to kick out a couple guys for smoking pot in the house--but we kicked them out. I know that my experience is the rule, not the exception.

when the NEA funds art such as a Virgin Mary made out of dung. Or a crucifix in a bowl of urin. But tax funded degredation of human beings is alrighty.

Amazing how they can rationalize humiliation and abuse as something normal.

maybe there`s a bullet or a bomb just waiting for an American or Brit-it`s called payback.those pictures,esp. that woman, does nothing but throw some more fuel on the fire and more Americans and Brits will die..but that`s ok for the freeper crowd,they are safe and warm sitting in front of their keyboards urging on the troops to their deaths..america salutes the brave men and women of freeper land,may your sacrifices not be in vain...

like they blasted the towers. Like they "deserve" to be treated inhumanely.
Forget about the Geneva Convention!
Forget about basic human rights!
Forget that they're too stoopid to make the difference between an Al Quaida terrorist and civilians defending their neighborhood against the invader!

Once the Arab world learns its just frat boy hi-jinks, I'm sure everything will go just peachy-keen!

in seeing Iraqis being forced to fellate one another.

BRING EM ON!

this may weaken the whole "coalition"...

<http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2004201131,00.html>

Wow. I waded through the first 50 responses and that was enough. There were a few sane voices among the responses, but most were apologists. I'd think some of those responses would get the sane Freepers looking for another discussion community. Yikes!

The most efficient post was able to attack Al Franken, women in the military and Bill Clinton... all in one sentence. Another poster even managed to place the blame on the legality of abortion.

Lowlights....

"Agree, not a good idea to get it on film. I think if I were at that age I would have done the same thing." -- Yes, it's only wrong if you get caught. In the best traditions of Ronnie & the Georges.

"The enemy burns innocent US civilians" -- obviously inhumane what the Iraqis did, but they were NOT "innocent US civilians"; they were mercenaries.

"That's what happens when you have gays and women in the military."

"As Al Franken sneered to (I think) Paul Wolfowitz at some DC reception right after the Afghan campaign, 'Whaddya think of Clinton's military now?'" -- Yes; even this they want to blame on Clinton..!!

"The prolifers warned that a country that could tolerate abortion on demand for 30 years would lose its moral fiber in other areas, and your post -- along with that of other apologists for this sick behavior -- confirms those warnings."

"Unfortunately, we have Western values ..." (#63)

Perhaps he should join Al Qaida?

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

They represented their nation, not Alpha Delta Dickhead.

The entire reputation of their country, right or wrong, rested on their shoulders. For this to be dismissed as a "frat prank" is a slap in the face of each and every soldier who served his or her country honorably, and with valor.

As per usual, the flag-waving freepers should be ashamed of themselves.

The entire reputation of their country, right or wrong, rested on their shoulders.

This is the ethos of the "military"... honor to country and fellow citizens. Barbarianism arises when that loyalty is misplaced onto a brutal, illegitimate regime ... which is exactly what PNACers are working for. That was part of the disgust involved in the Saddam reign of terror. It pitted Ira*is against their fellow citizens.

Soldiers who participate in torture betray their nation and countrymen.

Thanks for pointing that out.

these are the same kind of 'pranks' that their hero 'drinky mcDumbass' participated in when he was a good ole frat boy, course they find it all OK. :silly:

If someone broke into their home, kidnapped their son and raped him, would it be a harmless prank? How about being forced to fellate his neighbor while held at gunpoint? No biggie, right?

In fraternity parties, the participants are willing. Line in the sand, either you're against these atrocities or you're just plain evil. What would Jesus think?

Gotta' be!

fraternity brothers are part of a social group, have the freedom to join or leave, and assault rifles aren't being pointed at them forcing compliance with the "tricksters". What these pictures remind me of are the serial rapist/murderer sociopath types, who enjoy photographing their victims. Pretty horrific that these sociopaths are employed by the U.S. government.

I wouldn't describe forcing subordinates to do your biddings as harmless.

Anyway, this is way worse than a frat hazing.

Here is a link that is quite.........well anyway

REAL TORTURE
Torture History and Political Torture
http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Dungeon/9363/history.htm