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xray s Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-04 11:00 PM
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Bush administration ties to Titan Corp and CACI
The web is slowly revealed...

http://www.sundayherald.com/41693

...these soldiers aren’t simply mavericks. Some accused claim they acted on the orders of military intelligence and the CIA, and that some of the torture sessions were under the control of mercenaries hired by the US to conduct interrogations. Two “civilian contract” organisations taking part in interrogations at Abu Ghraib are linked to the Bush administration.

California-based Titan Corporation says it is “a leading provider of solutions and services for national security”. Between 2003-04, it gave nearly $40,000 to George W Bush’s Republican Party. Titan supplied translators to the military.

CACI International Inc. describes its aim as helping “America’s intelligence community in the war on terrorism”. Richard Armitage, the current deputy US secretary of state, sat on CACI’s board.

No civilians, however, are facing charges as military law does not apply to them. Colonel Jill Morgenthaler, from CentCom, said that one civilian contractor was accused along with six soldiers of mistreating prisoners. However, it was left to the contractor to “deal with him”. One civilian interrogator told army investigators that he had “unintentionally” broken several tables during interrogations as he was trying to “fear-up” detainees.

Lawyers for some accused say their clients are scapegoats for a rogue prison system, which allowed mercenaries to give orders to serving soldiers. A military report said private contractors were at times supervising the interrogations.

Kimmitt said: “I hope the investigation is including not only the people who committed the crimes, but some of the people who might have encouraged the crimes as well because they certainly share some responsibility.”



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Unknown Known Donating Member (829 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-04 11:34 PM
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1. It's a revolving door with these crooks
Check out all the contracts given to CACI, including the one for Social Security -

http://news.moneycentral.msn.com/ticker/sigdev.asp?Symbol=CAI

BTW, James Woolsey used to be a director with Titan
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BattyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-04 11:48 PM
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2. If it's true ...
... some of the torture sessions were under the control of mercenaries hired by the US to conduct interrogations. Two “civilian contract” organisations taking part in interrogations at Abu Ghraib are linked to the Bush administration.


If the mercenaries are behind this, then we can't blame the military ... Bushco is directly responsible. They hired them, they're paying them, they gave the orders ... period. :grr:



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T Bone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-04 11:54 PM
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3. oh it's true
where there's smoke there's fire---

If the mercenaries are behind this, then we can't blame the military ... Bushco is directly responsible. They hired them, they're paying them, they gave the orders ... they got the kickbacks to their campaign !!
Just check the campaign contrivbutions so far THIS YEAR.. it there alright. I bet Blackwater is involved too.
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BattyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-04 12:23 AM
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5. This is such bullsh*t!
Bushco* is paying people to torture other human beings ...
which means the Iraqis will get even more pissed off and attack our guys ...
which will give us an excuse to attack them and keep the war going ...
which means other Arab and Islamic nations will get involved and probably attack us ...
which will give us an excuse to attack them and start yet another war ...
which means we'll need more weapons, equipment and mercenaries ...
which means all of Bushco's buddies will continue to make billions! :grr:



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Arianrhod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-04 03:11 AM
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6. Sorry, but you're wrong.
I'm a former Army NCO, and I can state emphatically that there is no lawful order that can be passed through a civilian contractor. Every one of these soldiers could--and should--have refused such orders. They are under no regulation that requires them to obey. Their chain of command begins and ends with the military.

The army is as culpable as the mercenaries.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-04 04:16 AM
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7. I was wondering about that little fact of life
I remember when the freeper types would go nuts, when Clinton sent troops to Kosovo, that they would be under UN or NATO command.

Now they are under private contractor command? Isn't that illegal?

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Arianrhod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-04 10:59 AM
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9. Yup. n/t
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BattyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-04 01:50 PM
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26. Hmmm....
I can state emphatically that there is no lawful order that can be passed through a civilian contractor

Well, that's really the point, isn't it? There is nothing lawful about what's going on over there. Does anyone know who's running the show? Does anyone even care? I'm just so disgusted with the whole thing. These idiots have robbed us of what little credibility and moral high-ground we had left. When our soldiers get captured, we can't say a damn thing about the way they're treated because we're no better. What's going to happen to them? :mad: :scared:



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Unknown Known Donating Member (829 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-04 11:59 PM
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4. Armitage on BoD of CACI
From 1999 -

http://www.caci.com/about/news/10_20_99_NR.html

There's two direct links to PNACers - I'm sure there's plenty more.
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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-04 11:13 AM
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13. CACI had sharp price/share spike just after Bush entered WhiteHouse
Edited on Sun May-02-04 11:14 AM by 9215
THIS STOCK (CAI) QUADRUPLED (10-40 dollars/share) IN VALUE FROM JANUARY 2001--JANUARY 2002.
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Unknown Known Donating Member (829 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-04 10:43 AM
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8. Kick
their asses:kick:
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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-04 11:00 AM
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10. CIA's James Woolsey on BOD of Titan
http://post911timeline.org/article006.htm
(ex-CIA, PNAC, JINSA, British Aerospace, Titan Corp., ex-Shea + Gardner, Vice-President of Booz Allen Hamiliton since June 2002, committee for Liberation of Iraq, ex-director of DynCorp, Participant of DARK WINTER)
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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-04 11:22 AM
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14. Titan stock tripled (early 2003--end of year)
Early 2003 "The Titan Corp" (TNN) shot up from about $6/share--$20.00/share by the end of the year!!. Check it out


Time to buy put options for you savvy war stock investors. :eyes:
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legin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-04 11:02 AM
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11. I've noticed this before
CACI is a foreign policy/military/politics type organisation.

Apologies to the business comunity but why are these smegheads on the board of directors:

"William B. Snyder -- an executive with experience in investor organizations and the financial and insurance communities, and the former Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of GEICO Corporation.

Richard P. Sullivan -- an executive with investment banking and mergers and acquisitions experience, and the current President and Chief Executive Officer of Cargill Detroit Corporation.

John M. Toups -- a technology executive who also brings significant experience in the investment banking industry, and the former Chairman, President, and Chief Executive Officer of PRC., Inc."

It is like the british international chess team saying "well a couple of our top players have got flu so they can't play in the event, we'll get a couple of international bridge players to fill in for them, it's the same sort of area they are both interlectual sports."

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legin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-04 11:11 AM
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12. With dorks like that running the organisation
you can imagine them doing a 'time and motion' study on the different methods of torture to see which supplies the most information in the shortest time and in the most cost efficient manner.
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cosmicdot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-04 12:30 PM
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16. is CACI similar to Mitre?
Edited on Sun May-02-04 12:32 PM by cosmicdot
Mitre 'Corporation'is an ".org"

http://www.mitre.org/about/trustees.html
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legin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-04 01:33 PM
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24. Interesting one
Thnx bookmarked. Dr. John J. Hamre did the Hamre report about Iraq that government meetings covered by CSPAN all mentioned in July/August last year.

http://www.csis.org/isp/pcr/IraqTrip.pdf

or the link:
Iraq's Post-Conflict Reconstruction - A Field Review and Recommendations

http://www.csis.org/isp/pcr/

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cosmicdot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-04 12:28 PM
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15. has Titan always been known as Titan ... or under another name?
Edited on Sun May-02-04 12:39 PM by cosmicdot
for some reason, I'm thinking SBC ... but, can't find anything yet googling

and, of course, Lockheed is on the verge of absorbing Titan ... is this another way of covering things up?




http://www.cayenta.com
Cayenta - a subsidiary of Titan

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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-04 12:43 PM
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17. One thing is sure about these mercenaries-they are big campaign givers
Edited on Sun May-02-04 12:43 PM by bobthedrummer
and they have been rewarded by the administration of George. W. Busha aka The War President, and these mercenaries are helping the cause of both Osama Bin-Laden and PNAC not freedom and democracy-their actions are fueling anti-Americanism worldwide.

Campaign Contributions of Post-War Contractors (MERCENARIES)
http://www.publicintegrity.org/wow/resources.aspx?act=contrib

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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-04 01:00 PM
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19. Has it occured to any one that these companies are CIA Ops
Edited on Sun May-02-04 01:08 PM by FreakinDJ
I mean look at this one ...

Another Pentagon contract calls for SAIC to, in effect, rebuild Iraq's mass media, including television stations, radio stations and newspapers. SAIC runs the "Voice of the New Iraq," the radio station established in April 2003 at Umm Qasr that is funded by the U.S. government.

Its initial solution was to enlist Voice of America, the foreign language broadcasting service of the U.S. government, to patch together a short nightly news show made up entirely of dubbed stories

There have also been widespread complaints from press freedom organizations about the SAIC effort, including charges of military censorship and cronyism.

Inman served as director of the National Security Agency and deputy director of Central Intelligence.

http://www.publicintegrity.org/wow/bio.aspx?act=pro&ddlC=51

Disinformation and control of information is one of the CIA's primary purposes
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-04 01:10 PM
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21. Of course they are.
All privately held companies with the military and the spooks coming in to sit as executives, then going back to government BFEE style.

For far too long the umbrella of national security has hidden these criminal enterprises that are ultimately harmful to the United States of America.

Now is the time to speak openly, do not be intimidated by national security goons or so called "secrecy contracts" that may have been signed.

There has been an intelligence failure after all, we, the people have had it with the bullshit covering up crimes in the name of the national security of America.

National security has also failed. We should declassify a lot, and talk about these previously taboo subjects as part of the defense of our US Constitution.
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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-04 01:29 PM
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23. I can't say how I know...but I know
I was just hoping some of you are aware as well
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revcarol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-04 12:48 PM
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18. Get Lou Dobbs on it.
They are outsourcing military intelligence jobs, and MAKING A FORTUNE!!
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soundfury Donating Member (280 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-04 01:04 PM
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20. Having your cake and eating it too

The military says it has no jurisdiction over the private contractor but it does have
Jurisdiction to invade Iraq and Iraqis.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-04 01:28 PM
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22. CACI - look at just the first of their contracts listed on the website
posted above -

45 mil blanket purchase agreement with Social Security admin to provide Telecommunications and Sys Op work

31 mil to support AF Comman and Control at Langley

20 mil U.S. Navy Fleet

30 mil U. S. Naval Aviating Training

60 mil National Security clients within the Govt

60 mil Military Health

133 mil Navy Tactical Command

and it goes on and on...

plus this purchase....

"CACI International Inc. to Acquire AMS' U.S. Defense and Intelligence Group; CGI and CACI Sign Strategic Alliance to Share AMS Intellectual Property
March 10, 2004
CACI International Inc. (CACI) announced that it will purchase from American Management Systems, Inc. (AMS) the U.S. assets of its Defense and Intelligence Group for an aggregate consideration of CDN$549 million ($415 million). Additionally, in order to facilitate the growth of their respective client bases, CGI Group Inc. (CGI) and CACI signed a strategic alliance whereby CACI will receive all intellectual property solely used by the U.S. Defense and Intelligence Group and a license from CGI to use certain intellectual property retained by CGI, and CACI will grant CGI a license to use certain of its intellectual property."

my translation - CACI will get ALL INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY SOLELY USED BY THE U.S. DEFENSE AND INTELLIGENCY GROUP from American Management Systems and part of the deal is to get the above from CGI. CGI is a Canadian firm (mostly French names on the staff). Learning more - but there is this tidbit - CGI up for an "Oscar" at a May 5 Oscar night of Outsourcing Awards in Houston.
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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-04 01:34 PM
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25. Now wasn't AMS the company who's employees were killed
in Saudi Arabia before the start of the war. 2 defense contractors shot at stop sign after leaving a McDonald's

I wonder if they ever captured the purp
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