Let's cut to the quick...Where is Kerry on POT?

Medical?

Recreational?

of recreational smokers (exactly what he did when he ran prosecutor's office in Boston.)

That is the war on drugs?

http://www.wgoeshome.com

"Guns don't kill people...God kills people."

Wow that's pretty deep.

That's the LEAST of our problems....

I don't see how he can avoid it...

He will be taken to task about his personal use.

His views and policy of Medical Pot will be questioned.

Not a major issue - but it will play...

By the cokehead in the White House that was drunk until he was 40?

I think most people just appreciate his honesty about it. Most people from Kerry's generation have at least tried it.

by who? A guy who was a well know coke snorter and a drunk until the age of 40?

RC

So I suppose FOX and Co will just ignore this issue...

Please...

That AWOL George chose to snort cocaine instead of flying jets that the tax payers paid close to 1 million dollars to train him to fly...or the fact that he was a irresponsible drunken party boy until the age of 40?

RC

Yer dreamin'...

And for the record...I'm talking about POLICY...

Not personal "did he or didn't he" bulshit...

Now you are stumbling over your own subterfuge....Keep it up..I am beginning to find this entertaining.

RC

I asked for imformation about Kerry's stance on POT.

Medical (ISSUE 1)

Recreational (ISSUE 2)

Do you have any information about those issues?

no...move along...

That's what you are saying right? Or are you saying they have given Bush a pass on his drug usage and alchohol addiction?

RC

Yes - I think FOX spins stuff in Bush's favor...always...

Do have any information about Kerry's stance on pot?

Quite a bit as a matter of fact....and get this....it took me less than 2....count em 2...seconds to come up with it.

So which of these two isseus is it that Fox will not give Kerry a pass on....you know...like they have Bush.

RC

Call!

than I. You have been playing silly little games on this thread...since when? Quite a bit longer than two seconds no? So if we operate under the VERY liberal assumption you are not a disingenuous asshole...we then must come to the conclusion you've not heard of Google...or if you have you lack the intellect to use it. I of course find the later case rather difficult to believe since you can read and type and you've found this site...then again....

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Copy and paste these instructions into note pad....incase you have trouble remembering them after you've left this page.

Click on this link www.google.com

ok, now in the little box at the top of the page type these words...

John Kerry "medical marijuana"

Now click on any of the 10 pages of links that you are presented with...start with the first one. After you get done with your research go back to www.google.com

Once there, type in the little box at the top of the page

George Bush "medical marijuana"

Now click on any of the 10 pages of links you are presented with...

This is how us "time wasters" do research on the internet. Please stop back if you cannot understand these instructions....I'll have my seven year old try and explain the process to you. Sometimes a bit of tutoring from a person on your own intellectual level can be quite helpful.

RC

Yeah there is some info there...good info...

But I'm sure some people who live in MA...might have more first hand experience with Kerry on this issue. Google cant have all the information that is out there...I hope you are not that trusting..

Plus - It pays to talk about this stuff among ourselves...

I will remember your advice for future reference...

about 30 posts too late with your smarty-ness...

I favor decriminalization, not legalization. It will save lives and bundles of $$$, free up human resources to pursue productive enterprise rather than the mindless, costly, stupid *war on drugs*. It isn't the "least".

he's President.Before that,what's he got to say to get elected?

Clinton's drug czar said "there's no such thing as a soft drug"
(wtf is beer then?)

I would have expected Clinton to listen to reason on the drug war. Nope. I hope Kerry will do the right thing.

http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=5900
Basically way cooler than *, less cool than Kucinich. Pro-medical pot, somewhat in favor of decrim.

some liberal there, you betcha'

There was an interview conducted with Kerry a while back (early stages of the primary, I think), where he was commenting on just this issue. He said (I saw his lips move) that he feels that drug laws should not be used to prosecute the old lady with glaucoma or the expiramenting college kid. He said prosecution should be reserved for the big time dealers.

trying to twist the hypocrisy of kerry's drug policies into some sort of plesantry?

best wishes in your crooked crusade to distort kerry's drug policy stances

he will not sign a presidential order ordering the DEA to remove weed from the dea's schedule I list.

schedule I listing:

The drug or other substance has a high potential for abuse.

The drug or other substance has no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States.

There is a lack of accepted safety for use of the drug or other substance under medical supervision.

Some Schedule I substances are heroin, LSD, marijuana, and methaqualone

yes, if kerry doesn't remove weed from schedule I then he is admitting that he supports incarceration of potheads in general.

This is an idiotic wedge issue.

All politicians, all people and all things are flawed; even if you didn't know the answer to this, you should know that it's nothing but dangerous to even explore. If anyone brings it up to you, call them out for being divisive.

John Kerry is the only hope you have for the future of the human race; suck as that may, please love him with the fervor of the imperiled.

If it was just mild curiosity on your part, sorry for the rancor; if you actually give a damn about this with all the other more important issues in play, then please go shinny up a banana tree.

A woman in the audience asked him how he feels about the drug war. She told him about how it has ravaged her innercity neighborhood.

He said that in his Administration he'd focus more on drug treatment instead of incarceration. That's something he learned as a prosecutor.

We'll see. Clinton was a douchebag when it came to the drug war.

Then I am proud to be a part of the wedge.

I used to be one of them. And it isn't only about pot--it is about the underground, covert economy that is fuelled by the illicit drug trade. 'The war on some drugs' was just a warm up to 'the war on terrorism.'

hey i have an idea drive through the ghetto and explain to the mothers of kids in jail for possession, which could possibly ruin there future, they don't matter, just like the gays

Fine. Soak off more votes to Nader or induce others to sit out the election just because Kerry's not perfect enough for you to reflect the pristine beauty of your ego.

If silliness like this gives Junior an edge to win or steal the election, why don't you go through the many ruined parts of the world looking for hugs and kisses for having helped take down the temple. You have only one real choice: Kerry or Bush. If you can't see this for all its stark clarity, then please find some sycophants and stay out of the way.

of slavery, and the klan and of the war vote, and of ignoring the plight of the gays, and the patriot act. I won't be selling out my conscious anytime soon.

hey Lyndon Larouche is a good canidate who doesn't fit my idea of a pristine canidate

hey even Roy moore doesn't

Do you mind restating that incoherence? Yes, the Democratic Party is the party of the Confederacy and Slavery, but it's the party that brought us Civil Rights legislation at great effort. The Democratic Party's record on gays is infinitely better than the Republican Party's, and you need to be aware that it takes time and progress to even address such things.

The Democratic Party is not the party of the Patriot Act. There's only one Senator who voted against it, and he's a Democrat. In the House, there were 63 Democrats who voted against it, while only 3 Republicans could manage a "nay". How the hell do you call this a Democratic vote? Yeah, most of them went along with it, but they also provided virtually all of the resistance. This is like the "Democratic Congress" being guilty for all of the Reagan-era crap, when they only provided enough crossovers to help the lock-step fascists.

What on earth makes Lyndon LaRouche a good candidate? He talks some sense about corporatism, but makes himself waaaaay beyond electable by the very act, and has enough baggage to tie up every skycap in town.

Your last sentence fragment doesn't even make any sense: is there anything remotely admirable about Roy Moore? Is this some attempt at humor?

One does or doesn't sell out one's "conscience" (a noun, referring to self-reflection and morality), not one's "conscious" (an adjective denoting awareness used to modify nouns).

Clunky and slapdash composition suggest sloppy thinking and lack of consideration for the poor slob who tries to read the damned stuff.

It's mighty easy to stand on the perch of hypothesis and slag various examples of actuality; theory's always much more tidy than reality. Just stop.

Thousands of people go to jail each year for laws which shouldn't exist. I expect change on this issue, damn near every other western country is already changing their laws. And Kerry also seems to be advocating a new approach, so there's no reason to attack this guy. Norml rates Kerry much better than *, so this is an issue we can use to recruit those on the Left, not alienate. The good news of Kerry is that he wants to end this sick status quo. The bad news is so did Clinton. I hope someone has the courage to end this wicked drug war.

POE, I'm with you!

... "Pulling Out Troops." }(

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Doesn't make me a fan...

I have two teenage sons - and sometimes I download some Rap music for them...

Does that make me a fan of Rap...no.

You just have no REAL ammo against me so you have to resort to insults...and a Freeper-like witch hunt.

I have half a head of Dreadlocks, and if I had some POT...I would be smoking it...

trash Air America, try to discredit the torture pics....
I haven't followed you past these threads, but that's plenty.

I replied to post that asked "What's with all the negativity at AAR?"

I did not start the thread (so add another person to your attack list!)

I NEVER attempted to discredit the photos in anyway...Show me where I did...or suggested they depict anything less than what has been said so far...YOU CANT!

My post was titled " Torture Photos: What is happening here?" not "What is "Really" Happening Here"

I wanted to get other folks impressions on the photos...

I haven't followed you past these threads, but that's plenty.

Keep Following...

lately...with their 'little' whispering scam to seed Kerry discontent....

the reTHUGlicans layed it all out in a BIG think-tank presentation here in DC...so it's no surprise...they keep pounding on it here in DU, and sadly, it appears to be effectively moving the vote to re-select bush*



notice that they all start with the very same theme.....it goes like this: oh, I'm voting for Kerry, but isn't he a real horrible person....

always start it with...oh, I'm voting for Kerry....and then diss Kerry so bad that at least 20 or 30 will be led off a cliff...it's a real effective reTHUGlican scam that works on feeble-minded people....

work to get KERRY elected...start today to take back America...it's easy...just open this web link and GET TO WORK....
www.JohnKerry.com

Do you have any info on Kerry's pot stance?

If not - move along...

cute volcanojen

about your buzz?

I would have titled my post...

"Does anyone have any pot?"

Face it...there will be more than one issue in 2004 and drugs will be one of them.

if it makes you forget that there are over 700 dead american soldiers and over ten thousand dead Iraqis , if it makes you overlook the three million lost jobs and unemployment run out for so many, if you can live with under funded education and the rest of the problems here in the real (not stoned) world.

The War on Drugs is, like everything else, an economic issue and those whose budgets are inflated by that war will work very hard to keep it that way.

Medical Marijuana is a REAL issue...a big one.

I am in a unique position as I can manage more than one issue when it comes to my candidate...

Bury your head if you like...

Your reaction is sooo right wing...analogy...

Recently a local talk host had an Animal Rights activist on - it was only a few calls before the Anti-Abortion folks hit the phone lines...

"How can you waste energy on animals when babies are being killed"

That's your mentality in action...

I like to think we can multi-task...that's what makes us different from the folks I describe above...

it is always comforting to see that there are those like you around muddling up the works......

Medical Marijuana is an issue separate fromt he war on Drugs, which was, I believe, the gist of this thread, but if you feel the need to vent go right ahead.

...but if you feel the need to vent go right ahead.

"...issue separate from the war on Drugs..."

I disagree...the War on Drugs has made it much harder for Medical Marijuana movement to make any progress.

anyone...Bueler...?

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Pot smokers VOTE!!!

Who do you want them to vote for?

I think actual stoners have a low voter-turnout rate.

(And motivating this "constituency" would infuriate the soccer moms beyond a point where doing so would be beneficial)

Stoners will vote - if they think it will help thier side...they will.

So, you would perfer that some voters stay home? Is that the message you want Kerry to send. That sounds like a bad idea...We need to motivate as many as possible..

Soccer moms smoke it too...

But, first and foremost, I want Kerry to win.

First, I think most stoners (if we're talking STONERS and not all pot users) fall into other categories, like "apathetic teens/college students"

I never said Kerry should tell people to stay home (reread my post, nothing in there about that), I just said that the energy or policy positions needed to get a high turnout of the "stoner vote" (which I already stated I think is a false demographic) would alienate many other groups, like parents of young children and the suburban vote.

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Wouldn't base their support of a candidate upon that candidates views on the subject.

RC

:crazy:

http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/crime/

"Fighting Illegal Drugs
In order to deal with the problem of illegal drugs in this country, efforts must be focused on keeping drugs out of the country and our communities, as well as reducing demand for illegal drugs. John Kerry supports aggressively targeting traffickers and dealers, as well as making a commitment to sufficiently fund drug prevention and treatment programs"

Looks like the classic "attack the dealer, not the user" liberal approach.

I think Kerry would be more in touch with the folly of locking users up.

I'm personally for de-crimialization...the legal system is far more dangerous that the drug...

http://www.mpp.org

Or do you just have a problem with misplaced modifiers?

You seem to know very little about his man..

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Thats why you are gettting confused...

save the wear and tear on your fingers...

And you couldn't be more wrong...

about POT and the "story" of those torture pictures. I like to see how these concerns are reconciled.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1515345

>> maybe the committee who decides what is and is not important should weigh in on this *worthwhile* discussion ...

looks like I missed out on a good one, too.

very interesting wedge issues, talking points, and jingoistist responses...........you also seem just a weeeeee bit defensive.

Have any info on Kerry's POT stance...

no...move along...

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is this part of the new "homeland security" USAPATRIOT act?

:puke:

starting a thread?


Fighting Illegal Drugs

In order to deal with the problem of illegal drugs in this country, efforts must be focused on keeping drugs out of the country and our communities, as well as reducing demand for illegal drugs. John Kerry supports aggressively targeting traffickers and dealers, as well as making a commitment to sufficiently fund drug prevention and treatment programs.
http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/crime

But I was looking for more than 2 sentances...

Kerry has been in government for a long time - surely he has more of a record...?

on issue connected to funding and civil rights protection re WOD.

WHO THE FUCK GIVES A SHIT!!!! Quite obviously no one here does....that said I bet you could find quite a few folks over at Free Republic who have obsessed about this "issue" as much as you are now. I'm guessing they could fill you in on Kerry's 'pot stance'. Heck, they might even be able to tell you how long his dick is...or who has sucked it.

RC

...I guess you think the election is already won?

I guess you think elephantiasis of the testicles would be a good thing to have on your wedding day.

RC

your own words will serve as an eye-opener to DUers....

Wants to keep it illegal but roll back the "war on mary jane".

"In order to deal with the problem of illegal drugs in this country, efforts must be focused on keeping drugs out of the country and our communities, as well as reducing demand for illegal drugs. John Kerry supports aggressively targeting traffickers and dealers, as well as making a commitment to sufficiently fund drug prevention and treatment programs."

2 sentances - not very revealing...

Although that is encouraging...emphasis on treatment and prevention.

"I've met plenty of people in my lifetime who've used marijuana and who I would not qualify as serious addicts -- who use about the same amount as some people drink beer or wine or have a cocktail. I don't get too excited by any of that."

John Kerry
December 2003
The Rolling Stone interview

...and even promoted the (fascist) war on drugs for so long is an indication of how many rights and freedoms they're willing to give up for 'security'.

- The 'war on terrorism' was a natural evolution...as was the 'patriot' act. It's all about waging wars...not winning them. 'Wars' that last for generations and no clear enemy have but one purpose: the end of representative government.

:)

http://www.bigleftoutside.com/archives/000341.php

Democratic presidential candidate U.S. Sen. John Kerry (D-MA) pledged an end to the Drug Enforcement Administration's (DEA's) raids on medical marijuana patients and providers in states that have reduced or eliminated criminal penalties for medical uses of marijuana at a town hall meeting hosted by his campaign on Saturday.

During Sen. Kerry's town hall meeting at New England College, in Henniker, GSMM Campaign Coordinator Aaron Houston asked Kerry, "Would you stop the raids, as president?" Kerry responded by saying, "Yes."

......

Both U.S. senators from Massachusetts, Edward M. Kennedy and John F. Kerry, have asked the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration to approve a groundbreaking proposal from the University of Massachusetts Amherst to manufacture marijuana for FDA-approved medical marijuana research.

And the Granite Staters report
http://www.mpp.org/releases/nr010704gsmm.html

The highest grade (an "A+") went to U.S. Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-OH), who said last May that he supports medical marijuana "without reservation." Following close behind in the grading were former Ambassador Carol Moseley Braun (D-IL) -- receiving an "A" -- and U.S. Sen. John Kerry (D-MA) -- with an "A-" -- both of whom indicated support for federal medical marijuana legislation. On the next tier were retired Army Gen. Wesley Clark (D-AR) -- earning a "B+" -- and the Rev. Al Sharpton (D-NY) -- earning a "B" -- who also pledged to stop the raids.

Down here in Florida, getting caught with an ounce of pot gets you treatment equal to a rapist. Much prison, disenfranchisement, they even take away your driver's license.

Don't know what you did to piss off so many here, Hexola, but this treatment is un-American and I would expect DUers to be more empathetic.

on edit: treatment above refers to pot users not Hexola.

--IMM

President of the United States. :)

:(

Since the US imprisons a higher percentage of the population than any other country.

The "War on Drugs" has directly and indirectly lead to a large amount of causualties here and in South/Central America and Afghanistan as well.

http://blogs.salon.com/0002762/stories/2003/08/17/drugWarVictims.html

How many people have had their right to vote stripped away for possession?
Of the 1,586,902 arrests for drug law violations in 2002, 80.3% (1,235,667) were for possession of a controlled substance. Only 19.7% (303,146) were for the sale or manufacture of a drug.
http://www.drugwarfacts.org/crime.htm

I can think of 150 issues more important than this one.

Is not against you smoking pot but wants you to understand that you're screwed if you get caught.

lol

when peoples lives are on the line. give me a freakin break.

That is the most ridiculous thread intro yet. Do you really believe people on DU give a damn about Kerry's take on pot? People of all stripes smoke pot, drink booze, peruse porn, screw their neighbors wives, idolize celebrities, all that jazz. Pot smoking is the least important issue in the world today or any other day. Stupid!!!

Perhaps you have misinterpreted the intent of my thread...

I am not concerned with Kerry's personal use...
This is not a "did he inhale?" thread.

Medical Marijuana is an issue. Kerry will likely be asked about it.

The War on Drugs in an issue. Kerry will likely be asked about it.

Do you think that Kerry will not face any scrutiny on these issues?

Not just pot.