Analysis: Withdrawal on the cards?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3681289.stm

3 May, 2004,

Events in Iraq have been spinning out of control - and out of control of the spinners - so fast on so many fronts that the W word - withdrawal - is now being mentioned.

Charles Heyman, senior defence analyst for Jane's Consultancy Group, wrote in the London Times on Monday:

"It begins to look as though there is going to be a rather messy political solution to the whole affair, possibly brokered by the United Nations.

"Expect to see an agreement where both sides can claim some sort of a victory, followed by a rather hasty withdrawal of coalition troops at some stage in the next six months."



Seems that great minds think alike. This is a thread that I posted 2 weeks ago, that predicted this might happen.

Will Bu$h bring the troops home this summer?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1425481

They're putting Saddams generals back in charge.:puke:

for the next 50 years and they can create their enviroment of hate for us and teach their young to kill us. yup.........winners we will be. bush did a damn fine job here

Can you hear that question being asked as we revisit the video of Bush's televised announcement signalling the start of his needless war? "Saddam Hussein's pursuit of weapons of mass destruction... ties to Al Qaeda..."

What about the infamous SOTU Address in which we learned of Iraq's attempts to buy "nuclear material from Africa"? The ghost of that fib will haunt him for the rest of his days. Withdraw? Hell! Bush has an election to fix. How's he going to do that when the TV shows our troops scurrying for an exit?

My guess is that we have already began breaking our shit down and packing shit up to leave. No western corporations will be able to stay there anymore so there is no sense in staying any longer. We are leaving Iraq ASAP.

Don

They seem very disorganized, it's like we have ten or
twelve Al Haig's running around saying "I'm in charge",
so I dunno if they are pursuing going home in an organized
fashion just yet, and there is the business of arranging a
suitable fig-leaf, but the clock is ticking.

After the June 30th handover.

That was my original guess in my previous thread. Just in time for the repug convention. Bu$h will declare victory, Saddam is gone, we neutralized his WMD's, the mission really is accomplished, bla, bla, bla.

Then the country will be in a much better mood with him. The war is over, the economy is recovering....

Then once he is reselected, expect some new crisis. OMG, Iran almost has a nuke, Syria is having wetdreams about a nuke, North Korea has WMD's and has killed his own people - mass graves. Then he can recall all the troops, reinstate the draft, and continue his endless war. That's just my humble guess.

But he has sworn to stay the course. wtf can he do now? how can he explain cutting and running. I say send him and his cabinet over there to deal with the rightfully pissed of iraqi's and send our troops home!!!

although I think going into Iraq in the first place was a big mistake, we are in there now, we broke it we need to fix it

for the most part it appears that currently the Iraqi people are united -- against us

but what happens if we leave? will Iraqi's continue to be united or will there be a civil war which leaves the region even more unstable?

The spin coming out of the WH - is that the mission was accomplished with the over throw of Saddam... very little is mentioned these days about WMDs -- except to say that the WH is still convinced (publically) that the WMDs exist

so assume for a moment that there are WMDs in Iraq -- if we withdraw before Iraq is stable - doesn't that increase the possibility that one or more Iraqi factions will find and use these WMDs against each other or use them for attacks on "coalition" targets outside of Iraq?

also consider Iraq and Iran -- is it possible that if we withdraw and Iraq falls into total chaos that Iran could "invade" and/or other interests secure Iraq and turn it into a radical Islamic state, thus increasing the threats of terror?

it all comes down to lack of planning by the bush* mis-administration and their typical governing style which is to wait until a "crisis" occurs and then slap on bandaids and spin it into a campaign commercial

For the MISSION to be really ACCOMPLISHED we need to clarify the existence of WMDS - are they there or not? We need a stable Iraq -- and this means getting more countries involved -- this WON'T happen with bush* at the wheel

We've been speculating on the october surprise -- most of us think that bush* inc. will suddenly produce OBL -- now it looks like the October surprise may be a complete withdrawal from Iraq or at least the announcement of doing so..

is that Bush and his minions will do the "worse thing".

I heard on NPR today that in the "Muslim World", the Falluja siege already is regarded as a decisive US defeat. We will never know, I'm afraid, what the actual anatomy of that battle has been -- with all the bogus cease-fires and snipers pacifying the citizens from rooftops...

And now, I think the Abu Ghraib outrage is the nail in the coffin.

We'll have to pull out. There are no positive alternatives and certainlky all the goals of the original invasion are far past the horizon now. America is nearly bankrupt and we must give up the PNAC dreams of ME domination.

We've lost. Wolfowitz and Rumsfeld have lost their cruel war. For all I care, Dick Cheney can shock and awe his own brains out with that massive gun collection of his, and Texas George will have to start his own private religious cult if he still wants to play the annointed one.

The jig is up, and now we're gonna get hit with the bill - financial, political, social, historical and moral.

.... there is no way to win in this situation. The only question is - how long will it take the morons in charge to figure that out?

July 1, 2004
Iraq is a miserable, deplorable, ridiculous failure because the US was "forced" to hand over power to the UN which is now totally fucking things up and putting our troops in grave danger.

Its the UN fault, Its the UN fault,Its the UN fault, Its the UN fault,
Its the UN fault, Its the UN fault,Its the UN fault, Its the UN fault,


mark my words folks, Bush inc. is setting up the international community for clusterfuck pass off of the highest order. After June 30th it'll be things were never this bad when Bush Inc was running things, etc, etc, etc,

This is predictable and we, the left, must get ahead of the curve on this.