Dennis Miller: "I'm guessing it's less humiliating than...

...being stripped, mutilated, and hung from a bridge."

Miller's reaction a few moments ago to reports that the photographed Iraqi prisoners found their treatment "humiliating."

I'll let each of you decide exactly what he meant by that. His studio audience was completely silent after the remarks.

the hazing is not going well, so they are trying a new talking
point. Ah the RW moral relativism... the silence may be a good thing
though

Sometimes I wish I had my cable back, but this isn't one of those times.

Does he not get that 1) WE are in THEIR country, by FORCE, supposedly, after the WMD LIES became obvious, for THEIR own good, and 2) WE are supposed to be the GOOD GUYS, but I understand that's changed since his hero bush hit the stage

:puke:

EOM

the pictures were taken before the mercenaries were killed, and how their deaths were retribution for such atrocities, and worse, committed against Iraqi civilians.

...got that look that he used to have on SNL when THAT audience went completely silent on him.

Kind of like this:

I hadn't heard anything about him in months. Sorry he is still fouling the airwaves.

LMAO

Show us your true RW redneck colors, Dennis et al.

I've read quotes from two different "soldiers" referring to the prisoners as "it". We don't even refer to dogs as "it(s)".

you fully and completely dehumanize them

This is actually part of the process

Other ways to call the enemy... "rag heads," "kooks" "boche," "Jerry," and of
course my all time favorite, "japs."

Troops do this in wartime. I am sure you
would be shocked as to what "the other" is calling
us... one example, "the Great Satan,"

Read on the creation of the other in wartime...

This is a way to partially vaccinate yourself against
this... but don't think you would not do the same, if
you were in their place.

Sorry, but it is time that people realize how war
dehumanizes everybody involved... us, them and the other.

I am hoping the human race can evolve beyond *wartime*.
Far from convinced, but hoping.

This distortion is not even reserved for *wartime*. It can be employed any time abuse of power is justified.

what kind of person spews this kind of crap?

Does the CA stand for California? I live in California and have always wanted to visit Australia.

G'day Ladyhawk,

check out the trips to aussie right now, superduper deals going right now back home.

thx for the welcome too!


cheers :>)

...he has lost all sense of ridiculousness in this inane comparison.

I can't believe I ever thought he was funny, so long ago.

Drop Dead Dennis

25 bucks to attend his show.

huge right-wing bucks...say what we want the country to hear and you will be rewarded handsomely...Would it be worth the money to you, or are you stronger and have at least some scruples in your life?

Can Leno ever spend enough of his money?

Read on...

http://www.laweekly.com/ink/04/23/deadline-finke.php

...that being "marginally less inhumane" than those Bush calls "terrorists" is about as convincing as saying "Vote for Bush, he's not as bad as Hitler". And let's take the "logic" a bit further. Bush says they "hate us cuz our freedoms", and they "fear a free Iraq" and that's why Fallujah happened...

So what the hell is our excuse? Are we hating them cuz of their freedoms? Or maybe we're fearing a free Iraq (that might decide the US isn't it's bestest bud)?

His "joke" seems to be that the Iraquis are killing people, but the US isn't.

Unfortunately, Iraquis in Fallujah recently filled a soccer field with the bodies of their dead.

"I'm guessing it's less humiliating than...


...being stripped, mutilated, and hung from a bridge."

nt

I didn't know that they were hung from bridge. How did I miss that?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4551230/

"FALLUJAH, Iraq - A cleric on Friday condemned the mutilation of four slain American contractors in this defiant Muslim city, but did not criticize the killings."

"Two of the corpses were hung from a bridge as people beat them with shoes and a pole. Iraqi police eventually collected the remains of the four at the request of American troops."

:-)

A nation, who for decades, are taken on field trips to Holocaust Museums as children, grow up to be so de-sensitized to their own extreme indulgences of terror and pain...and make jokes about it.

"Americans are always asking why the rest of the world hates them," John said after singing his first song, "Tiny Dancer." "Well, the reason is Dennis Miller."

"You've all gone mental if you liked that," John said, before looking at the floor and shaking his head in disgust.

Earlier in the show Miller delivered about 20 minutes of his usual act -- biting, sarcastic political humor with a very strong right-of-center slant.

Miller's remarks include bits about not caring about blowing the Baghdad Museum to bits, and his advocating killing caribou and raping Alaska for oil so there would be a lessened dependency on foreign outlets.

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in the kisser! (And he was tto rude and obnoxious to Amy Goodman, too. What an asshole.)

Seriously.

"Emmy Award winner Dennis Miller brings his take-no-prisoners, suffer-no-fools style to CNBC’s prime time lineup."
http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/CNBCTV/TV_Info/P72123.asp

And an e-mail address: E-mail Address: dennismillershow@nbc.com

I searched the CNBC site and couldn't find transcripts for the show.

A transcript for a "comedy" show? Maybe someday soon ...

<snip>
Since his conversion to the left, Mr. Brock has argued that he was representative of many in conservative journalism, an assertion some of his former colleagues angrily deny. Still, Mr. Brock said the central thrust of his group would be to closely monitor conservative commentators and journalists and, when they make erroneous or misleading claims, to point them out and set the record straight on the Media Matters Web site (www.mediamatters.org).
...
Some of the researchers wore headphones as they scanned episodes of cable news programs stored on digital recording devices, among them "Hannity & Colmes" on Fox News Channel, "Dennis Miller" on CNBC and "Scarborough Country" on MSNBC. Two researchers have been assigned to cover Mr. Limbaugh, whose program they will regularly transcribe.
...
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/03/business/media/03BROC.html

just goes to show you the depths they will drop to justify this blunder they've supported. To do otherwise would show failure and if you know the right wing they will not admit failure regardless of the reality of it. Just look at Iraq and all the horror they've caused. Just a few point counterpoints they spew.

A thousand US soldiers dead.
Its a war. People die.

No WMDs
Well who cares. Saddam was evil.

Lies and deceit to Congress and the people.
Clinton lied about his blowjob so Bush is justified...

pictures of torture.
Well they did it too. (as if we should be immoral also)

The CNBC show that was on before Miller had a discussion of LBJ and Vietnam, the "is Iraq the new Vietnam" debate...the point being that in Iraq, just like Vietnam, you cannot convert a country to democracy while you are pumping insurgents full of bullets. You want to do the "nation building" that Bush so vigorously rallied against BEFORE taking office? Here's one way to do it. STOP SHOOTING.

Later in the show Miller discussed Bush and Cheney's 9-11 Committee testimony with his "Varsity Panel." The WHOLE DISCUSSION centered around how Bob Kerry DARED to leave the room. One of the panel members said that "when you are in the presence of the president, you DO NOT do that." Miller made some lame "Wizard of Oz" jokes about Kerry running down the hall and flying out an open window.

After that, he interviewed Fat Mike, the bass player from NOFX, about "Rock Against Bush." Miller said that "I like Bush, and one thing I've found is like him or not, he's GENUINE."

The scary thing is, these sentiments are coming from the highest office in our nation. Karl Rover is writing the punch-lines....

Seeing those images made them wish to do the same kind of violence to us as was done to them as was done to us,,as was done to them...get the fucking direction the cycle is going you fucking idiot???

More and more I am liking him less.

... looking at the clock and seeing 14:59

are to fucking stupid to understand what Dennis was talking about.

The show will go belly up.

i understand where he's coming from, although i don't even agree with it remotely.

i mean, who can compare the two? being blown up, burnt beyond recognition, chopped into pieces, dragged down the street and then hung on a bridge -- or stripped naked, posed in various simulated sexual positions and have american soldiers pose with you? i'd say the former is far worse than the latter, but they're not even in the same category. those "contractors" that were killed weren't prisoners or even soldiers and they weren't held captive by enemy soldiers, so does the geneva convention even apply? even if it did, does it give US soldiers the right to partake in what the geneva convention considers torture? we're supposed to be beyond these kind of things.

because of the abuse in the prisons. Iraqis were being held without charge for several months, humiliated and abused, then set free. I doubt the pictures of the abuse were news to them. One Iraqi on tv last night said he wasn't the least bit surprised by the pix. How do we know the contractors weren't killed in retribution for the mistreatment of civilian prisoners?

I think this situation may have finally caused us to lose the war completely. I don't think there is enough good that soldiers can do in rebuilding Iraq to make up for this humilation and abuse. Looks like it was the best recruiting tool for al qaeda ever conceived, and Osama Bin Laden had nothing to do with it.

Another aspect of this that's being reported, similar what you've said, is that Al Jazeera has come under CONSTANT attack from the Bush administration for presenting an unfair, biased, Anti-American stance in their reporting. What's being said in some quarters now is "maybe they were right all along"...this is getting some serious, "heavy rotation" airplay on that network. Al Jazeera's "street cred," in everywhere but the U.S., has just skyrocketed.

If you check the sidebars for video on the CNN site you'll see one with the caption "Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt says "small group of people" involved in alleged prison abuse."

It doesn't matter if it was 6 or 7 or 700 soldiers who did it...ther world is viewing it as "AMERICA did it. The infidel invaders of the Crusader Bush did it." That's what you'll see in the Al Quaeda recruitment brochures when they come back from the Fallujah Kinko's.

And Bush is hiding out in the Oval Office, waiting for Karl 'n' Karen to tell him what to say next.

...any accountability.

It has nothing to do with what is right or wrong. When Bush had his back to the wall over 9-11, Karl Rove and Karen Hughes pulled out their trademark strategy: "All Roads Lead To Bill Clinton."

They can't pull the same crap here. Bush's success depends on "winning the hearts and minds of the Iraqi people," and from where I'm standing, many of them are PISSED over this.

Sean Hannity tried to pull some similar stunts last night. He maneuvered his guest into removing the word "torture" from the equation. "Do you think that, using the definition of the word, what was in these photos constituted "torture," or was it "abuse."

I'm sure the people of Iraq and the Muslim world in general would feel much, much better if the prisoners had been "abused" than "tortured." Good God, what an idiot.

He then went on...paraphrasing his remarks several times with "I'm not trying to make any excuses"...and asked his guest if maybe, just MAYBE, the U.S. soldiers who did this might have snapped under the pressure of watching what the Iraqis were doing to their own fellow soldiers. It was like the old "not that there's anything wrong with that" joke on "Seinfeld," except for the fact that it was pathetic, not funny.

Around, and around, and around. It's all about protecting Bush, right or wrong. Read from the script, boys and girls "We removed the evil Saddam from power and put an end to his torture chambers and rape rooms." Na, na na na na na na, Hey Jude. Lather, rinse, repeat.

Last night, when Lou Dobbs addressed the need for an apology in this matter, you could tell he was confident in the knowledge that there would be none. The world does not want an apology from Rummy, or Condi, or Colin Powell, or Scott McClellan.

The world wants an apology from The Crusader Bush. Miller and Hannity and the rest are workin' overtime to make sure that will never happen.

Welcome to the Bush administration.

or at least that's the current rationale.

We are in *their* country. We're supposed to be spreading peace and democracy. We're supposed to be the world's shining example. We're supposed to be showing how invasion can lead to a better life for the people we've invaded.

What was done to the four contractors was obviously wrong, but the anger itself is understandable. But for "liberators" to torture Iraqi citizens is not understandable to me on any level from any angle.

It really goes back to the tone expressed at the top levels. Their leaders say "get out." Our leaders say "terrorists, 9/11, extremists, WMDs, imminent threat, firm resolve" etc. and that, I believe, provided a subtext that trickled down through the ranks and made the tortures humanly possible.

blind folded and bound and forced into homosexual positions...but he might enjoythat

...it's called "The Dennis Miller Show" and you can watch it weeknights on CNBC.