George Will column

Ugh! I agree with George Will on a lot of things in that column! Read it yourself! It's called "Separate conservatives, neoconservatives."

It's a sad day when I agree with George Will and Pat Buchanan.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A64323-2004May3.html

It's called "Separate conservatives, neoconservatives" in my local paper. On WaPo it's "Time for Bush to See The Realities of Iraq"

I would have, but I am never sure whether I would be Duping a post.


Isn't the WAPO his home paper? Wouldn't their headline/ title be the one he wrote? This is a surprising thing.

I didn't see Buchanan's. Have a link there?

The Peoria Journal Star just retitled it.

I didn't mean Buchanan's column, I meant I have agreed with him. He's slammed the neo-conservatives on Hannity, etc.

"The problem with you neo-conservatives... is a lack of reflection."
-Pat Buchanan

http://www.pjstar.com/news/will/b2tqls01002.html

And thanks for the pointer!

This administration cannot be trusted to govern if it cannot be counted on to think and, having thought, to have second thoughts. Thinking is not the reiteration of bromides about how "all people yearn to live in freedom" (McClellan). And about how it is "cultural condescension" to doubt that some cultures have the requisite aptitudes for democracy (Bush). And about how it is a "myth" that "our attachment to freedom is a product of our culture" because "ours are not Western values; they are the universal values of the human spirit" (Tony Blair).

Last year some time, I remember he called upon * to admit he was wrong about WMD and apologize to the world for the mistake.

And, being the true conservative that he is, I can't imagine he's happy with *'s borrow & spend fiscal policies.

It's be more impressive if Will weren't so thoroughly flea-ridden from lying down with neocon dogs for so long.

He's not saying anything here that any liberal couldn't have told him back when it could have made a real difference in our situation now. You're not agreeing with George or pat, THEY are agreeing with YOU after spending too much time wearing Bush's "USeful Idiot" hat!

yes. good point i like. forget giving them the credit for seeing. it took way too long and they had the information prior they just refused to listen or think

Is that the present situation was a foregone conclusion based on how this administration thinks about things. It didn't HAVE to turn out this way, but based on the operative mindset, it was always going to.

They all seem surprised that the administration turned out to be so incompetent/dishonest that we have reached this point. They don't seem to understand that the thinking at point A, which was there for all the world to see, has led us to the current circumstances at point D.

"Bush doesn't seem to have a plan," they whine, when it was perfectly obvious that there never was a plan and that, worse, this administration didn't think it NEEDED a plan.

I disagree with both of them most of the time. Buchanan, for example, is an anti-Semitic evil old man.

I'm just saying we have to be gaining ground... * is a uniter, not a divider -- he's united some of the conservatives with US against *.

Will said "It used to be the question that divides the liberals from the conservatives. Now it is the question that divides the conservatives from the neoconservatives."

If it takes having people like George Will on our side speaking against Bush* to beat him, that's fine with me.

It proves how utterly far-right Bush* is if Will and Buchanan are on our side.

that the USA would beat Iraq in the "phase one" part of this war. (There was, of course, a huge "anti-war" movement; but I am focusing exclusively on the military aspects of this situation.) The issue was what the USA would do after the "victory" (sic) that bush declared a year ago. Likewise, we will defeat bush this November. A serious question is what we expect our country to be after the election? I hope that bush, cheney, and friends are held responsible for their crimes against humanity. But how about the millions of republicans? Many are members of our family, or live next door to us. Do we totally discount their opinions, as expressed very often by the George Wills and Patrick Buchanans? Or do we move in a direction that allows for a national reconciliation? A healing, perhaps?

...can be argued with and reconciled.

Well, maybe not relatives :crazy: ;)

But Will and Buchanan have been propaganda shills at the highest levels (Buchanan inside the Nixon & Reagan administrations, Will nominally on the outside but always doing exactly what he criticized liberals for: advocacy disguised as onjectivity), so they can stew in the mess they helped create (namely, the * administration).

I have republican relatives & neighbors, but hadn't thought about friends. I guess I like a few of them. Now, I agree fully that these two were part of administrations I felt were criminal. Yet I am not sure that either of these guys is "criminal." It's possible -- at least in theory -- to have been in such an administration, and even to have participated in some level of wrong-doing, and to have grown beyond that stage. For example, I find "Worse than Watergate" to be on of the most insightful and informative of the new wave of "anti-bush" books. Yet Dean was part of the Nixon administration. We need to appreciate that people can grow and change. While George & Pat aren't likely to make a huge transformation, they know bush & cheney are enemies of democracy. I do not suggest we become their followers; but I find their distain for bush encouraging.

BIG TIME for being a racist and a stupid idiot....


wonder what will happen next?

stayed tuned for the nixon shuffle.....

it seems real appropriate that while bush*'s MAJOR sex-torture scandal of POW's is in full outrage...fearless leader bush* is spending his time on his 'little' bus tour, picking up campaign money at taxpayers expense....

http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/23643.htm
WHAT TO DO IN IRAQ?:
W'S CARELESS TALK ...

Kinda shocking to see it there.

That of course comes from being a spoiled brat, getting everything he wanted and never hearing the word "no" told to him and never having to work for anything. That type of person will never give in and admit they were wrong. * would rather see thousands of people die to get his on way. He has no clue or understanding what the words humility and humanity mean. The sad part is, he never will.

I hope it is Will and not W

Look, Will is a conservative, and I can probably count on one hand the number of times I have agreed with him at all--on ANYTHING. Having said that, I also want to point out just how deep the feces are that Bush and company are swimming in if Will is out there bitching about them.

I have always counted on George Will to espouse the conservative line of thought along with Pat Buchannon, and now you are finally seeing just how bad the right wing of the GOP thinks shrub is doing. Buchannon was out there about two months ago talking about the fiscal irresponsibility shrub is practicing, and now you have Will smacking him around for additional aspects of his mis-administration.

I'd think you all would be celebrating the fact that EVEN George Will is distancing himself from the (p)Resident.


Laura