What would Gore have done to prevent 9/11?

Would he have met with the Taliban in Houston, right after the election? Would he have be so terribly conflicted with PNAC, Halliburton and Carlyle? Would he have idiots like Rummy, Rice, and Wolfie on the staff? Would he have ignored the mountains of warnings? Sorry, Al Franken, but how can you not believe in LIHOP?

just like Clinton.

Part of LIHOP was that President Bush hired idiots like Rummy Rice and Wolfie because he knew they wouldn't figure it out?

That's really an intricate plan. I think it's simpler to just believe that President Bush is an idiot and so hired idiots.

Bryant
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Bush is an idiot and a hand-puppet. But, that does not mean there an intricate plan was absent. Baker, Cheney, Rove, etc... they all knew.

So you have the idiot cabal with President Bush, Rummy, Wolfie, and Rice. Powell who might suspect but didn't do anything.

And then you have the evil cabal with Baker, Cheney, and Rove who know that an attack is coming, but choose to do nothing about it.

Is that the theory?

Bryant

For one thing, they're oilmen and ex-CIA. Yeah, I think they knew what was coming. Sorry if it is hard for some of you to swallow. I don't like it either.

Well here's some solid proof. We all know about the precognative powers of oilmen. I had forgotten that they were Oilmen or I would have bought your argument immediately. Oilmen always know about attacks being made on America in advance.

It's hard for me to swallow because it's crap. And more to the point, there's a lack of proof.

But I will say this, if I believed LIHOP or MIHOP I wouldn't be pissing away my time on this message board. If those scenarios are accurate it means that there is no America, and no legitimate American government. The only response is revolution. Not pansy ass walking around holding signs, but taking up arms to tear down those who have usurped power.

Bryant
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Bryant is not engaging in open revolution, then Bush/Cheney did not really idly sit by during 9/11. They were just merely stupid. Now, if Bryant were to take up arms, then we would know for sure that Bush/Cheney LIHOP.

I feel comfortable saying that since I don't believe in LIHOP that it didn't happen.

Although, I have to say, I'd be surprised if the rest of you accepted that as proof.

Bush is a f***ing puppet; he has no clue what is going on.

To spread bullshit strawman theories on the board to discredit real research?

I have never heard anyone say anything like that.

He would of listened to Dick Clarke.

you are surrounded by frauds and fascists. Most of the time I think the country has gone Fascist and we are now starting to see the manifestations of their work over the last 30 years.
The outrage of the prison incident from our government has been diffusion not outrage. And for some pundits on television to say it was a frat-prank; it is so horrible. To reduce torture and say such a vapid remark on the suffering of others.
Gore would never have gone to war with Iraq. You're right oldtimer1942.

strengthened. I don't think he would have considered threats of terrorists using airplanes as nothing to be concerned about like the bush administration.

Remember them? Terrorist blowing up the Space Needle in Seattle, that fancy resteraunt in Los Angeles Airport, and the Lincoln Tunnel in New York City?

They failed because when members of the Clinton admin. discovered part of the plot (thanks to our Canadian allies), they made a maximum effort to break up the rest of it.

So, when the Gore Admin. was told 'Al Queda plans to attack inside the U.S.' in early August, they'd do the same... They may not have succeeded, but they could at least point to the effort.

I think when cowboy first hit the Whitehorse and cast his finger in the air, and I'm not talking about checking the direction here, to the Arab world he set the tone. I believe that Gore would have kept doing pretty much what he was comfortable with, at least he would have maintained some sense of chivalry.

we would have attended the UN conference on Racism. And there would not have been a stand down, which of course is proof of LIHOP/MIHOP.

he would NOT have shelved the current intelligence as bushco did

he would NOT have allowed his AG to put terrorism on the backburner while he went after prostitues, porn and pot

he would NOT have ignored the warnings (internal and foreign)

we would NOT have been on extended vacation when threats were raised

I could go on...

I like the way you think.

gin

The what would and what if game is one the wingnuts like to play and drive it into the ground. If Clenis had taken up the Sudanese (even though we know that's not what happened), If Goerlick hadn't created "The Wall" (again another lie and distortion). We can play this game all over the place if you like. That's a LIHOP'ers greatest fun.

Sorry, I don't play this one. Facts are, this attack occured on this regime's watch and we're seeing that there were all kinds of warnings that were ignored and previous plans that were scuttled. That's where the focus belongs.

On 9/11 Gore was out of the country...so was Clinton...and both got to Ground Zero faster than Commander Bunnypants did.

that would have been enough

Bush was told there was activity consistent with hijackings and didn't even follow up to make sure the FAA was notified. It's criminal negligence in my opinion.

as the plans were in the works for quite some time and would have gone forward regardless of the election results. Perhaps there was an outside chance that listening to and acting upon intelligence might have prevented the hijackers partially or even completely but I seriously doubt it.

The real difference is what Gore woud have done in response to the attacks.
1. involve the UN from the outset
2. had a concrete plan for Afghanistan after defeating the Taliban
3. never have invaded Iraq
4. never have alienated the entire arab world
5. never have acted like a complete asshole, braying and sputtering about a crusade, lying and contradicting himself endlessly

Pity that Gore was not IN the WH at the time!

Yes, all your suggestions as to what he would have done afterwards sound reasonable.

But, even those facts that have been revealed by the none-too-rigorous investigation indicate that serious warnings were being sent. Bush's people did nothing but protect their own asses.

But that was not the issue we were discussing now was it?

One might make an excellent case for Bush incompetency or even collusion (taking advantage of a potential threat to further his agendas). But as did Clinton before him, there is no reason to expect that Gore would have handled the terrorist threat with any greater degree of competency or vision than did Mr. Clinton.

I only post here because I am more than a bit tired of the penchant of many here to make things so black and white and cartoonish in nature.Bush is not the anti christ (that would be Nader of course) nor is Gore the savior.

The Shrub has been busy making enemies since he took office. Right now I can only think of a few.....

disregarded the Kyoto accords
Named axis of evil countries


None of that is Gore's style. I don't know if he could have prevented 9/11 but I know he would have paid more attention to the warnings from Clarke and Mueller. Maybe that would have been enough!

re their findings on the threat of terrorism
Heck, Gore COMMISSIONED them to do this.

:kick:

Following his own Gore Commission on airline security and being #2 in an administration that considered al Qaeda the country's biggest security threat by the time it left in January 2001, one can assume that when intelligence traffic went wild GLOBALLY in summer 2001 Al Gore would have called for battle stations and shaken loose the intel about the flight schools, the two terrorists in San Diego, and Moussaoui. Put that together with the warnings from Genoa and other clues and a worst-case scenario emerges upon which to issue severe warnings to the airlines AT LEAST. There was also the distinct possibility that the San Diego and flight school guys may have had some explicit plans or more clues in with their personal belongings that would have led directly to the plot. Or the simple fact that they were arrested and questioned may have scared bin Laden enough to call it off.

it wouldn't have happened. He wouldn't have to prevent it because he wouldn't have created it. Quite simple really.

working counterterrorism than Ashcroft did. Ashcroft had the FBI out trying to arrest prostitutes in New Orleans!!