Bush needs to "called-out" on his so-called christianity...

When I hear Bush speak about his "christianity" I want to :puke: Not only is it a farce, but obviously used as a proganda tool to boost himself with his right-wing base, something that is old news to most of us, however, there are many in conservative towns who relish in the "I look to my higher father" statements and Bush KNOWS this and plays it hard.

Bush's credibility with his base is LARGELY DEPENDENT on this. I was born in the south, raised southern baptist(who isn't in the south:shrug:)and even though I disagree with the extreme conservatism of this "religion" it is easy to see how manipulated one can become to the talks and references to God in the way Bush uses it. I listen and have even taken notes to debunk many "theological" things he says to "prop" his crap up with many conservative relatives, friends and anyone else I get into a discussion with about this. I know there are many like me who know that Bush is a liar when he talks about this crap ( and I say crap 'cause that's what he uses it for) and he needs to be called on it. If he wants to tout his "christianity" he needs to back it up (which he can't except through Karen Hughes' mouthpiece).

When he was running for governor in Texas he never used it like he is now. I never ONCE heard anything about his so-called "christianity." He KNOWS he has no record to run on and this is all he has. This is one place his credibility needs to be exposed. There is a such thing as "false" prophets (I use that reference since Bush says he is working for God).

For one: he says he walked around the WH and "prayed" to God when he made the decision to go to war. If he would have "seriously prayed" BEFORE making this decision, the decision to go to war would probably not have been made.

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This will tell you a lot about Bush, his fake religion, and one of the reasons we really invaded Iraq.

Insightful forum last nite regarding Bush, Kerry, and how the media handles their religious lives.

The obvious Bush backer informed us Bush had belonged to fairly liberal Methodist churches in Dallas and Austin and as part of that church was active in social projects for the poor. The minister he talks to the most is a black liberal, I forget his name. Bush goes to chapel a lot at Camp David. Has never said why he hasn't picked a church in D.C.

Lots of other stuff.

Anyway, the panel seemed balanced and gave me enough exposure to the right wing's arguments about Bush's religion that I would not say it's a major weakness. The religious weakness is in the stupid things he has said in the past regarding a "Crusade" in the Middle East, etc.

We did hear the argument that Christ accepted the Roman troops and did not speak against them. Which is a weak argument from the chickenhawks to claim Jesus thinks war is cool.

Lots of insight about Kerry and the Roman Catholic church too.

If it's on again, check it out. Here's where you'll find their schedule: http://inside.c-spanarchives.org:8080/cspan/schedule.csp

how the president could have jesus in his heart, and still have room for ordering the deaths of tens of thousands of innocents.

the room cracked up nervously, but no one could explain bush's mixed message of a peace loving christian, and a war loving president

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Very Creepy.... :scared:

bible for peace and not war. The religious "weaknesses" that he touts are alot of "half-truths" and doesn't live the walk of someone who would live by the teachings of Christ. Jesus was about peace, not war and Bush LOVES war.

He's a fucking nut. Middle America should know this.

There is a long and proud tradition of doing evil shit in Jesus' name. bush* is just the latest practitioner of it. Hell, in his case, he may actually be closer in his own conscience to the Christian than the secular money-grubbing and war-mongering... it's hard for me to tell with him how much of what his administration does comes from HIM, and how much of what's happening he's simply oblivious to. Maybe he's got enough people telling him that he's doing God's will that he actually believes it. Like I say, I have a hard time getting a read on this.

No follower of Jesus Christ would have started the Iraq invasion. It's diametrically opposed to everything Jesus taught. When you confront self-proclaimed Christians about our war of aggression, they always fall back on the old "eye for an eye" thing from the Old Testament. Forget about the fact that Iraq was not responsible for 9-11 (they're not listening), and point them in the direction of chapter 5 of the Gospel According to Matthew, in which Jesus debunks the whole eye-for-an-eye concept. Take that away from them, and they have nothing to stand on.

Christianity can be an intellectually and spiritually challenging and fulfilling thing, or it can be a box where people who don't want to think can hide from reality. For the kind of people who simply gravitate to a structured environment led by a strong authoritarian figure so that they can be told what to believe and what to do, bush=God=war is a sensible equation. They won't question it, because they are not questioning people. They won't see the dissonance between the Iraq invasion (or indeed, any of bushco's other policies and actions) and the teachings of Jesus, because they do not reflect on the teachings of Jesus. They can quote chapter and verse, but they don't understand what it means.

The funny thing is, Jesus' message is dead simple: love, compassion, charity are paramount to the human spirit. Greed, hatred and violence are death to it. bush evinces none of the former and all of the latter. But for many "Christians," if the guy in the pulpit says W's the man, then W's the man.

I guess the thing that really bugs me at the end of the day is, why are any of these "religious leaders" on the local level saying that W is the man? LaHaye I can understand, he's got hundreds of millions of dollars in play. But why would the pastor of some redneck church in Hogsfoot Mississippi be a bush backer? Is it JUST the abortion issue, are these people willing to turn a blind eye to every single one of his sins on the chance that the monkey might get Roe V Wade overturned? I admit, this boggles my mind.

in mostly Caucasian areas are dominated by racists. Not abortion or religion, but race issues IMO are a large reason why many in the South, religious or not, are fiercely loyal to the Repugs.

The god excuse has been the brainwash behind mass murder and
aggressive "holy" war for a thousand years... nothings changed.

and I suspect as someone who hears it in the south from conservative baptist churches that the abortion thing has ALOT to do with the support for Bush. Ironically, Bush could really care less. He didn't run on it in 2000 and while he was governor in Texas it was never mentioned. This isn't a big thing on his totem pole, but he props it up so that he gets that religious support.