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Zen Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 11:36 PM
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Fox News Second Thoughts?
Earlier today I passed by a television at work and saw Fox News doing a story about the news conference by the Vietnam Vets saying Kerry wasn't a hero, blah, blah. The reporter said this story would be the big story of the day and that while Kerry was unveiling his education policy, it would be wiped off the news by this Vietnam story.

Well, everything's been wiped off the news tonight for the Iraqi torture debacle.

Noticed just a minute ago that Fox News' webpage has a link to the story about Kerry's education policy -- no mention whatsoever about the venomous vets.

Fast news cycle day, I guess.
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Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 11:38 PM
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1. the only show on FNC that is even slightly fair and balanced is...
Fox News Watch on Sarturday. That's it. Period.
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AussieInCA Donating Member (510 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 12:26 AM
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9. look, Murdoch has stated he wants Bush to win...
Edited on Wed May-05-04 12:27 AM by AussieInCA
and will do whatever he can to achieve that. FNC is biased and it is corporate policy. Just don't watch the crap..it is so blatant it is comical
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Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 12:37 AM
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12. I don't disagree
:shrug:
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leftyandproud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 11:54 PM
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2. I've been watching FNC lately
Honestly, aside from O'Really and Hannity, I don't see any blatant bias. Sure they have cheesy "zoom" effects when breaking news hits, and their colors are red white and blue, but they have been critical of Bush lately and have definately plastered the torture pics up 24/7, and always report on soldier deaths...something I'm sure the GOP doesn't like.
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Christ was Socialist Donating Member (649 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 11:57 PM
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3. cavuto. John Gibson. Van sustren. brit hume. Alan colmes by spinlessness
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leftyandproud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 12:01 AM
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4. Cavuto and Gibson...yes...the other two..
Edited on Wed May-05-04 12:02 AM by leftyandproud
seem fairly objective...I watch all the sunday shows including hume...he usually doesn't insert his opinions into it, and they have several regular democratic contributors on each weak to balance out fred barnes. Greta never gives her opinions when I've watched it...and I don't usually watch, because I find the show dumb and boring. ;)

But, yeah, you got points on Cavuto. Then again, practically every financial person (especially on CNNfn and CNBC) is definately a pug.
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atre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 03:00 AM
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15. You must be watching a different channel
...because when I see news segments after which persons are interviewed, there is generally only one side presented and it ain't ours. Watch closely and tell me you don't see that. There's a segment on Reagan's legacy, and they interview ONE person, a Reagan biographer who LOVES him. That is not news; that is Pravda.

In those rare situations in which the liberal side is presented, they pick the most inarticulate, low-level campaign aide they can find. Or they simply try to piss the person off with personal attacks.
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leftyandproud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 04:48 AM
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18. don't mean to be disrespectful but...
maybe the reason you think it is slanted is because your personal views are hard left (not that thats a bad thing!) Same deal with pubs and NPR/PBS. I would consider NPR/PBS to be some of the most accurate stations out there, but I'd be lying if I didn't say they were on our side generally speaking, and I'm practically a socialist, so when I step back and think about it...yes, they probably are left of center networks..but from my vantage point, they are centrist. On the flipside, CNN/MSNBC/Fox, etc may be center or center/right on occasion, but we see them as hard right GOP propaganda because we disagree with practically everything that doesn't match our views...and we think we could do better than some of the left wing pundits they put up for debate. I've been trying to seperate my personal politics from what is actually reported, and when I do this, aside from blatantly political folks like Oreilly/Hannity/Cavuto, most of the Fox cast tends to do a good job of putting their beliefs on the back burner and probe the guests 90% of the time. They do ask tougher questions than someone like Larry King, but thats what I like. I also like Tim Russert for this reason...He doesn't pull punches and lets both sides have it. On the Reagan segment...of course, you aren't going to see someone bashing a 91 year old with Alzheimers...That, I would argue would make our side look VERY bad...but generally speaking, they do try to have someone from BOTH sides of the issue when discussing things, and tend to give equal time to dems and reps.
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Zen Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 12:05 AM
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5. Brit Hume is the definition of blatant bias.
He's just about as disgusting as it gets and he's the news director. While Hannity is an uneducated buffoon, Hume tries to come off as the wise man of Fox -- and his political bias is so obvious and vitriolic that the very idea of "fair and balanced" is belied by his every word. Their slogan should be "Lies and Republican Propaganda."

Greta is the only one who hasn't drank the Kool-AId at Fox -- and she spends most of her time on Michael Jackson and Kobe Bryant these days.
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Speck Tater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 12:20 AM
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6. I honestly believe Fox is not right wing...
I believe Fox is profit/ratings oriented. When right-wing slant brings in the biggest audience that's where they will be. When the wind shifts and blows from the left, look for Fox to be on that side, racking up the ratings and dragging in the bucks.

They'll go wherever the most sensational story is.
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Democat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 12:25 AM
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7. You are crazy - Fox would be right wing if they lost money doing it!
Edited on Wed May-05-04 12:25 AM by Democat
They are ideological above all else. Murdoch is a fanatic right winger before anything else.
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bossfish Donating Member (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 12:28 AM
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10. Murdoch likes money..
I remember discussing Fox News with an Aussie friend of mine a couple of years ago and branding Rupert as a shameless right wing shill. My friend told me that Murdoch is only about what the current flavor is and how he profits from it.

He'll work it his way every time. He's gonna make some real dough in China.
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atre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 03:09 AM
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17. Well, I partially agree
A British friend informed me that Murdoch's English publications were very pro-Labour.

But it is clear that FNC is designed to be blatantly right-wing. There have been innumerable sources who have confirmed that all prospective employees are "vetted" to see if they are Democrats.

The only way they could in any way turn left would be by completely cleaning house - firing almost everyone who currenly works there.
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 12:29 AM
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11. Yes! It's purely marketing strategy
Let's say you have 2 competing news networks. Market share varies between 45-51%. Add a third.

The successfull strategy is to capture 50% of each of the competiton's market share. By doing so, you cut their share in have and overtake both in penetration.

I have to disagree on the "not right wing" thing though. They could have just as easily taken a left/liberal slant and accomplished the same goal. But the right is where the money is, at least in the short term to beef up advertising dollars.

We may yet see Fox turn to the dark side. LOL
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atre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 03:01 AM
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16. Are you insane? FNC is headed by whom?
Get back to me on that, and then tell me if you have reconsidered your conclusion?
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kskiska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 12:26 AM
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8. What about Chris Wallace's answer to Ted Koppel
and his reading of the names of soldiers killed in Iraq? After this week's events, it's unseemly to tout how wonderful everything is in Iraq these days.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 12:43 AM
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13. These atrocities remind people of those atrocities
They're real now and they were real then and trying to play both stories at the same time just won't work.

Besides, I heard there was video of some of these same vets campaigning for Kerry in 1996. Apparently some were just opportunists all along.
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allalone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 02:44 AM
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14. the truth about fox
can be seen in the graphics leading into the commercials.
In a times square type ticker tape it says Fox Means Business.
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