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TruthIsAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 08:08 AM
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WTF! Upper class ( 4%) went HEAVY for Gore: 56% ; Bush core support: 30%
Edited on Fri May-07-04 08:57 AM by TruthIsAll
And it looks like Bush HARD-CORE support: is 25-30%
based on 2000 exit polling:

Bush hard core support (Republican)= .91*35% = 31.5%
Party All Gore Bush Nader
Dem 39% 86% 11% 2%
Rep 35% 8% 91% 1%
Ind 27% 45% 47% 6%

Upper Class 4% went HEAVY for Gore
Class All Gore Bush Nader
Upper 4% 56% 39% 3%
UpMid 27% 43% 54% 3%
Mid 46% 48% 49% 2%
Wkg 18% 51% 46% 3%


Bush Hard Core support- (Conservative)= .81* 29% = 23.5%
Ideo All Gore Bush Nader
Lib 20% 80% 13% 6%
Mod 50% 52% 44% 2%
Con 29% 17% 81% 1%
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 08:10 AM
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1. Link?
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seventhson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 08:10 AM
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2. They know Bush is a disaster for their long term economic interests
it is the upper middle class that is selling out to the rethugs
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TruthIsAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 08:13 AM
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3. Link
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 11:18 AM
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17. The classification by 1996 vote shows how unreliable
a poll can be, even with over 13,000 respondents.

1996 voting, of those in this 2000 exit poll:

Clinton 46%
Dole 31%
Perot 6%
Other 2%
Did not vote 13%

ie of those voting, Clinton 52.9%; Dole 35.6%; Perot 6.9%; Other 2.3%

compare that with the actual percentages from 1996 (http://www.presidentelect.org/e1996.html)
Clinton 49.2%; Dole 40.7%; Perot 8.4%; Other 1.8%

So the exit poll was out by over 3% for Clinton voters, and more than 5% for Dole voters. The margin between the two was out by 8.8%!

Either people lied about their 1996 vote (in which case, why trust anything they say?), or those voting in 2000 were quite different from those in 1996. If the people who vote in one election are that different from the last, any predictions based on the last election's results are highly suspect.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 08:17 AM
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6. Right, but they're too sophisticated
...to fall for it again. They haen't benefited from the Bush tax "cuts," and have seen their taxes go up at the state level. Either they'll vote for Kerry to get rid of Bush, or they will stay home. My guess is it will be the latter, although they'll never say that to a pollster.

Bush's hardcore support are the evangelical fundy types.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 08:15 AM
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4. Many of the very wealthy
understand long term economic strength over short term greed by corporations or people. They know historically, the markets perform better under dems. They know what damage long term structural debt can do. New wealth and people who dream of being wealthy are the ones that believe repub dogma.
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felonious thunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 08:15 AM
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5. This isn't too surprising
Amongst the very top you have a lot of different types of people. Business leaders who recognized that Bush's economic policies would not help long term prospects. People who felt they had enough money and wanted the more moderate choice to be president. Celebs who tend liberal anyway.

The more disappointing number there is that the middle class went for Bush.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 08:18 AM
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7. Define upper class. (nt)
Edited on Fri May-07-04 08:26 AM by w4rma
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 08:20 AM
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9. Over $100,000, Gore: 43 %, Bush: 54 %
Edited on Fri May-07-04 08:25 AM by w4rma
Under $15,000: Gore: 57%, Bush: 37%
$15-30,000: Gore: 54%, Bush: 41%
$30-50,000: Gore: 49%, Bush: 48%
$50-75,000: Gore: 46%, Bush: 51%
$75-100,000: Gore: 45%, Bush: 52%
Over $100,000: Gore: 43%, Bush: 54%
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 08:24 AM
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12. The very wealthy with old money
not dot com millionaires or people that make 100,000 will be more for democratic policies. Younger professionals now making 100,000 are typically Bush supporters along with corporate leaders who currently are profiting.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 08:28 AM
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13. 4% answered they were "upper class". Are you sure that's what they thought
it meant?
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corporatewhore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 08:18 AM
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8. Gore was a hard core freetrader if he would have been in office he would
have fufilled the duty of protecting the interests of the multinationals and elite.guess the bioomaires for bush (or gore ) were right
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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 08:20 AM
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10. Democratic Dividend
Edited on Fri May-07-04 08:22 AM by spotbird
The stock market prefers Democratic presidents to Republicans. Why?

*skip*

But Democrats, it turns out, are much better for the stock market than Republicans. Slate ran the numbers and found that since 1900, Democratic presidents have produced a 12.3 percent annual total return on the S&P 500, but Republicans only an 8 percent return. In 2000, the Stock Trader's Almanac, which slices and dices Wall Street performance figures like baseball stats, came up with nearly the same numbers (13.4 percent versus 8.1 percent) by measuring Dow price appreciation. (Most of the 20th century's bear markets, incidentally, have been Republican bear markets: the Crash of '29, the early '70s oil shock, the '87 correction, and the current stall occurred under GOP presidents.)

*more*

http://slate.msn.com/id/2071929

Republicans really do hurt the economy, and maybe the rich know it. The stock market hasn't done well under Chimp if you use as a measure where it was when he took office v. today. Michael Moore, has it right, people who think they are going to be rich some day vote Republican because they believe the Republicans will protect them when their ship comes in. They imagine themselves as part of the elite and to prove that they are just like the people they want to be they vote Republican. The joke is on them since by voting Republican they are taken one step further from achieving that goal.
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cherylmarie Donating Member (23 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 08:21 AM
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11. They're smart people
Not all the rich got their wealth through inheritance or illegal dealings. Many are just smart people who know how to manage their money and have the insight to see what's best for the future.

Unlike W, they just may have cracked a few history books.
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boxster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 08:40 AM
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14. As I like to jokingly say, the really rich can afford to be Democrats.
:D

Warren Buffett, for example.
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July Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 09:06 AM
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15. Could you explain further, please?
I'm not clear about why all Bush votes represent the hard core. Wouldn't some be lukewarm Bush voters? And why aren't the Bush voters from among Democrats and Independents included in the hard core number? What am I missing?
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bread_and_roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 09:07 AM
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16. The top 5% income = $150,000 +
Edited on Fri May-07-04 09:09 AM by kenzee13
but it is important to remember the difference between "wealth" and income:" wealth disparity is even greater than income disparity. From What I've read, it seems that many overestimate their "place" in the income ladder. A while back, someone did a survey in which 19% of those surveyed thought they were in the upper 1% of income. Upper 1% INCOME is $350,000+ but WEALTH SHARE is 38% of the total wealth in US. The WEALTH SHARE of the upper 5% is 59%.
(from www.inequality.org )

Interesting to look at income quintiles in light of above voting patterns.

from www.ombwatch.org

Household income thresholds, by quintiles (20% blocks):

* Bottom Quintile: Income Range: $0 - 17,970; Share of Total Income: 3.5%
* Second Quintile: Income Range: $17,970 - $33,314; Share of Total Income: 8.7%
* Middle Quintile: Income Range: $33,314 - $53,000; Share of Total Income: 14.6%
* Fourth Quintile: Income Range: $53,000 - $83,500; Share of Total Income: 23.0%
* Top Quintile: Income Range: $83,500 and up; Share of Total Income: 50.2%

Once again, the Democrats are doing a poor job of conveying where our pocketbook interests lay. When people earning from $33,000 to $83,000 are voting Republican, they are voting against their own economic interests.

edit to correct a typo on figures.

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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 11:23 AM
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18. It correlates to education levels
As every study I've seen shows, Democrats' highest support comes from people at both ends of the educational scale. People with Advanced Degrees vote heavily Democratic and people with high school education or lower vote heavily Democratic. Republicans do better with people with a few years of college or just a bachelor's degree.
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bigbillhaywood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 11:29 AM
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19. Okay, I already know these figures are messed up, because they claim
only 18% of the US is working-class. Anyways, fascists always have support from the working class. The Nazis did, the Italian Fascists did, the Peronists did. This should not be too surprising. People often vote or otherwise act against their own economic interests out of ignorance and fear.
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 12:18 PM
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20. not quite; it's saying 18% of voters in 2000
were working class (presumably self described, since I don't see how the person doing an exit poll could classify them).
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ThoughtCriminal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 12:34 PM
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22. Ask someone about their income - they lie
It is extremely common for people to exagerate their wealth (and in their mind - importance).
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 12:26 PM
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21. You usually have to be pretty smart to be upper class.
Or remain that way. I imagine there are a lot of people that think of things other than personally amassing wealth. I know two upper-class liberals.
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