Rumsfeld Hearing 5/6/04 Thread 7 - Democratic Underground

proud patriot

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Fri May-07-04 12:54 PM
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Rumsfeld Hearing 5/6/04 Thread 7

here's thread 1

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&...

Thread 2
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=1548432&mesg_id=1548432&page=

thread 3
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=1548776&mesg_id=1548776

thread 4
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=1548969&mesg_id=1548969

thread 5

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1549172

thread 6

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1549474

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VolcanoJen

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Fri May-07-04 12:56 PM
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1. How come Libby Dole was absent during the IWR vote?

Does anyone remember?

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VolcanoJen

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Fri May-07-04 01:02 PM
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26. And... How come Sen. Cornyn (R-TX) was also absent for the IWR vote?

What in the hell?

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mtnester

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Fri May-07-04 12:57 PM
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2. Who wrote Dole's speecH?

Sound like straight from the WH.

Also, WHY do the Republican senators refer to them as "detainees" rather than "POW's'. Even Rumsfield and the panel call them detainees.

Get with it assholes! They are PRISONERS OF WAR.

This is ridiculous, Rumsfield knows everything, but dances around and knows nothing, or does not remember, or cannot comment BLAH BLAH BLAH

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frank frankly

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Fri May-07-04 12:58 PM
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7. i think it did come straight from the WH

will this guy Nelson and his hairpiece do anything or will he be like Dole/Lieberman/Pat Idiot...

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frank frankly

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Fri May-07-04 12:58 PM
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8. i think it did come straight from the WH

will this guy Nelson and his hairpiece do anything or will he be like Dole/Lieberman/Pat Idiot...

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proud patriot

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Fri May-07-04 01:01 PM
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for the same reasons he said the word compensation instead of

reperations . Dole used the word reperations and Rummy
said "I hope I didn't use the word reperations I think
I used Compensation "

The control of what words are used are very important
to this admin. The words may mean the same thing but
the racist diffence in the perception is why he corrected
her .

Disgusting IMHO

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Snellius

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Fri May-07-04 12:57 PM
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Dainty Dems seem to be intentionally holding back

Edited on Fri May-07-04 12:57 PM by Snellius

Afraid of being accused of politicizing.

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ChavezSpeakstheTruth

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Fri May-07-04 12:57 PM
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3. WHat a nice PNAC setup Dole gave for her boy Rummy!!!!

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Caution

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Fri May-07-04 12:57 PM
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4. huge mistake just now

republican senator asks rummy about "reparations" he corrected her quickly to call it compensation because reparations are what are awarded for War Crimes rather than normal civilian crimes.

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ChavezSpeakstheTruth

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Fri May-07-04 12:58 PM
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6. Wasn't that s great faux pas!!!

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maddezmom

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Fri May-07-04 12:59 PM
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11. Libby: Whooops

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maddezmom

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Fri May-07-04 12:57 PM
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5. OT: but is that Nelson's real hair???

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mtnester

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Fri May-07-04 12:59 PM
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13. I think not

just a bad hairpiece his friends tell him look real, and he believes that

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VolcanoJen

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Fri May-07-04 12:59 PM
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14. NFW.

:D Even the Donald has a better rug than Nelson...

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SayitAintSo

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Fri May-07-04 01:00 PM
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17. Thinking the same ! More hair than Kerry .... WOW

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maddezmom

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Fri May-07-04 01:01 PM
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23. except Kerry's hair moves when he raises his eyebrows

just saw Nelson move his and the hair stayed still. :)

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nadinbrzezinski

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Fri May-07-04 12:58 PM
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9. Ah after the campaign speech

we did see a small trap, and he cannot say reparations

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frank frankly

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Fri May-07-04 12:59 PM
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15. is that legalese? rummy emphasized "compensation" rather than reparations

i don't know lawyer things

:shrug:

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Caution

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Fri May-07-04 01:00 PM
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20. reparations are a term used for things like

War Crimes
or
Crimes Against Humanity

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nadinbrzezinski

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Fri May-07-04 01:02 PM
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25. Yep

and we will end up paying REPARATIONS, this is getting ugly

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Postman

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Fri May-07-04 12:58 PM
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10. They're killing Iraqis because of the lack of security...

due to the Rumsfeld Plan for invading Iraq with 6 guys in a pick-up truck.

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0007

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Fri May-07-04 12:59 PM
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12. Ben Nelson sez tear down Abu Ghraib

Edited on Fri May-07-04 01:01 PM by 0007

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Caution

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Fri May-07-04 01:00 PM
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16. this crap about tearing down the prison is INSANE

all that will do is convince the Iraqis of a huge coverup and to replace it with a monument to freedom would be seen as hypocrisy of the highest order.

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Solly Mack

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Fri May-07-04 01:00 PM
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18. Dear Seantor Dole, my husband, just returned from Iraq,

does not agree with your happy report of Iraq.

In fact, his exact words were "Who told her that lie?" (about the hospitals all being opened/as well as how well the school openings are going)

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SEAburb

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Fri May-07-04 01:00 PM
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19. Is that Bush butt kisser Nelson's real hair?

<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>

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spotbird

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Fri May-07-04 01:00 PM
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21. Can Rummy and Meyer be held as material wittinesses indefinitely?

They may know a lot and who thinks the right to be charged and speedy prosecution are important anyway?

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nadinbrzezinski

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Fri May-07-04 01:01 PM
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22. Nice Nelson

you sure you are a Democrat?

The photos he keeps going back to those...

If those are released to the public will make matters worst

Classify them

He agrees with Sly Hersh in that, this will get far worst.

Oh and tearing tghe prison down is tearing down a crime scene

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frank frankly

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Fri May-07-04 01:02 PM
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24. ha ha ha! rummy just did an amazing legal thingee

he turned a question into questions, then said "i'll answer the first parts and then let the general answer the last one (the true question)"

he has been a weasel for so very long.

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Oddman

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Fri May-07-04 01:03 PM
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27. Rummy has not answered a single question directly

How does he get away with it????

When did the president find out and why did he lie to us about when he found out???

WHEN DID BUSH FIND OUT ABOUT THE TORTURE???

Torture Accomplished

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VelmaD

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Fri May-07-04 01:03 PM
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28. Oh gawd no it's Cornyn...

almost as much of an embarassment to my State as Kay Bailey Hutchison. *sigh*

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Richardo

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Fri May-07-04 01:04 PM
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32. Got a question, John? SHEEZ!

:eyes:

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Richardo

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Fri May-07-04 01:03 PM
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29. Cornyn (TX) - another Bush koolade drinker.

Edited on Fri May-07-04 01:04 PM by Richardo

LEt's see...

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Richardo

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Fri May-07-04 01:06 PM
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35. Subtext: "For God's sake don't let out anything else - before November"

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0007

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Fri May-07-04 01:04 PM
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30. Another big zero is that stupid ass from Texas, called Cornyn

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spotbird

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Fri May-07-04 01:04 PM
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31. It would be nice if someone would ask him which is worse,

Edited on Fri May-07-04 01:04 PM by spotbird

the abuse or the release of the photographs. I'll bet you a dollar that he stumbles.

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aquart

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Fri May-07-04 01:09 PM
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44. I just adore the way Rummy needs pictures to understand.

Is he also unable to read? Is that why he didn't read the report?

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spotbird

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Fri May-07-04 01:22 PM
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95. I love you Hillary!

How'd she know it was so important to me? Well, it wasn't a question, but she brought it up.

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nadinbrzezinski

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Fri May-07-04 01:05 PM
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33. Notice the kool aide drinkers

those are taking their five minutes in long speeches instead of driving questions to the children,

Ok we understand, just don't do this again

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VelmaD

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Fri May-07-04 01:05 PM
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34. Is anyone else hearing someone...

yawning or sighing or something on the CNN internet feed?

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Richardo

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Fri May-07-04 01:07 PM
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37. I did. I thought it was Rummy...

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Richardo

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Fri May-07-04 01:11 PM
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56. There's that sigh again...in the middle of Bayh's Q

Edited on Fri May-07-04 01:12 PM by Richardo

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Wind Dancer

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Fri May-07-04 01:06 PM
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36. Rumsfeld has rehearsed this well

Refusing to answer questions, the usual spin.

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SayitAintSo

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Fri May-07-04 01:08 PM
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38. Bayh up - Clinton, Chambliss and ??? to go .... should be good

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spotbird

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Fri May-07-04 01:08 PM
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39. How long did it take them to cook up this "defendants rights" dodge?

Good god, these are the very people who don't think trials or lawyers for the accused are necessary.

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nadinbrzezinski

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Fri May-07-04 01:08 PM
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40. Go Bay

Presidential Leadership.... let the buck stop where it should

Look at Rummy's body languagge and the military officers there

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robbedvoter

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Fri May-07-04 01:08 PM
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41. Conason on Franken's show ripping Joe and Dole's performances

Franken: Joe=low rent Hsannity

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Richardo

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Fri May-07-04 01:09 PM
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46. Franken is obviously anti-semitic...

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nadinbrzezinski

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Fri May-07-04 01:10 PM
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47. Thanks will listen tonight

on the replay.. this is way too important to put AAR on

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VelmaD

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Fri May-07-04 01:08 PM
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42. Evan Bayh with the smack down...

I ASSUME George is making decisions. *snort*

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proud patriot

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Fri May-07-04 01:09 PM
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43. Evan Bayh Rocks

Says he looks at this as a leadership problem .

Hee hee !

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VolcanoJen

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Fri May-07-04 01:09 PM
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45. What is the hurry? What kind of appointment does Rummy have at 2:30?

What in the world could be more pressing, more important, than this hearing? Why are they rushing through this???

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SayitAintSo

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Fri May-07-04 01:10 PM
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50. I think there is another panel he goes before .... for questions

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nadinbrzezinski

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Fri May-07-04 01:11 PM
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51. Same game at the House Armed Services Committee

a far friendlier venue I expect, this is going to be a long day
for Rummy and us, congress fans

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pinto

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Fri May-07-04 01:16 PM
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73. goes to the House Subcommittee

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SayitAintSo

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Fri May-07-04 01:10 PM
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48. Asking about resignation ...would he "step down" - "it's possible"

Rummy responds.. Sounds like it looking better and better to after today ....

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trof

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Fri May-07-04 01:10 PM
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49. Bayh - ZZIIIINNNGGGG!

step down for the good of the country

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SayitAintSo

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Fri May-07-04 01:11 PM
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53. Take one for the Gipper ?

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VelmaD

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Fri May-07-04 01:11 PM
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52. WOW!. Don't y'all feel better now that we've been assured...

that we are morally superior. GOOD GAWD!

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Solly Mack

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Fri May-07-04 01:13 PM
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Yes indeedy...I feel completely absolved

totally fresh and clean..reborn even...

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frank frankly

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Fri May-07-04 01:11 PM
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54. BAYH will never be VP. Rummy just admitted he may resign.

Bayh is kissing Holy JOe and know quoting Friedman.,

BING BING BING

neocons dumping rummy

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greatauntoftriplets

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Fri May-07-04 01:11 PM
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55. Is it my imagination...

...or does Evan Bayh sound like a repuke?

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bobbieinok

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Fri May-07-04 01:15 PM
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68. Bayh sounded very repub and very defending of admin

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Oddman

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Fri May-07-04 01:12 PM
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57. Funny, I thought Bayh sucked . . .

I want to agree with Joementums comments . . . .puke . . .

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SayitAintSo

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Fri May-07-04 01:15 PM
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66. **** Snort **** ( on the Joe picture )

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SuffragetteSal

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Fri May-07-04 01:12 PM
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58. Aren't you curious what George is doing right now?

n/t

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matcom

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Fri May-07-04 01:14 PM
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62. 2:00? Its snack time

cherry jell-o and a sip-cup

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maddezmom

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Fri May-07-04 01:14 PM
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64. he's campaigning on his bus

and then probably taking the rest of the weekend off. :eyes:

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nadinbrzezinski

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Fri May-07-04 01:14 PM
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65. Playing SOCOM on the PS2

Unka dick told him to go kill some evil doers

So got him a toy...

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nadinbrzezinski

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Fri May-07-04 01:13 PM
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59. Oh Saxby is coming up

rummy strong leader, GOOD GOD...

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Occulus

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Fri May-07-04 01:13 PM
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60. WTF was THAT?

Bicycle seat?

HUH??????

:wtf:

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CrownPrinceBandar

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Fri May-07-04 01:13 PM
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61. Saxby!!!!!!!!!!!

Asshat.

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Richardo

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Fri May-07-04 01:15 PM
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69. "alledged" atrocities?

WTF?

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proud patriot

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Fri May-07-04 01:14 PM
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63. Saxby Chambliss can Kiss My Patriotic Liberal Ass

Pucker up Saxby ....

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Wind Dancer

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Fri May-07-04 01:15 PM
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67. Chambliss is full of BS

Who would dare question Rum's leadership now?

Here we go again.

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LittleApple81

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Fri May-07-04 01:16 PM
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72. Blaming Karpinsky on down...not up, no, no, not up. n/t

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nadinbrzezinski

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Fri May-07-04 01:17 PM
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75. Actually he is beyond full

though his comment, a failure of the chain of command...

Oh is this a set up though? He is asking for General Officers....

Rummy's body language just got quite a tongue leash... and rebuke in PUBLIC...

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SayitAintSo

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Fri May-07-04 01:17 PM
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76. MAX should be sitting in that seat ... not that horses ass

Pompous ass

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VelmaD

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Fri May-07-04 01:15 PM
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70. Chambliss is a tool

I'm so sure they didn't know he was coming for those "random" interrogations he witnessed. :eyes:

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0007

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Fri May-07-04 01:15 PM
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71. Chambliss asking a few good questions and getting after Rummy

Edited on Fri May-07-04 01:17 PM by 0007

I still think he's an asshole.

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Occulus

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Fri May-07-04 01:17 PM
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74. "it's a failure of the chain of command"

Edited on Fri May-07-04 01:18 PM by kgfnally

BWA-HAH!

"irrespective if they have one stripe on their sleeve or four stars on their shoulder"

Wow. Nicely said.

edit: Does anyone else get the impression that Rumsfeld is being placed in a position to fall on his sword, or is it just me?

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nadinbrzezinski

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Fri May-07-04 01:18 PM
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79. He is going after

the generals too....

Shoemaker is getting defensive, he has count them, FOUR STARS on his shoulder, he is the Chief of Staff, the man who replaced Erik Chinseki

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LittleApple81

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Fri May-07-04 01:17 PM
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77. Now changing from blaming Karpinsky saying that stripes should not

be a consideration for not prosecuting to find the truth.

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LittleApple81

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Fri May-07-04 01:19 PM
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I hope Clinton does not act as Lieberman. n/t

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mtnester

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Fri May-07-04 01:17 PM
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78. Rumsfield leaning back in his chair, trying to look comfortable

and looking a little sick, IMO

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proud patriot

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Fri May-07-04 01:19 PM
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81. Yes he did turn it around to be pretty hard on rummy

rummy answered in that quiet voice he answered Snowe
with ....

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Oddman

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Fri May-07-04 01:19 PM
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80. Excuse my language but this whole thing is

a FUCKING SHAM!!!

Not one thing has been answered, not ONE THING!!!

OK Hillary it's your turn!!!

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SayitAintSo

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Fri May-07-04 01:19 PM
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82. Clinton up - You go girl !

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nadinbrzezinski

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Fri May-07-04 01:20 PM
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She is right

I have been readign the report, a page here or there, and god I have
heard this kind of testimony before

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Solly Mack

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Fri May-07-04 01:19 PM
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83. Meyer:(sotto voce to cRummy) "Have you got an answer to that?"

Edited on Fri May-07-04 01:20 PM by Solly Mack

when asked about assinging responiblity to where it belongs..vis a vis-enlisted verses commissioned

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frank frankly

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Fri May-07-04 01:20 PM
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84. Hillary will make her image with me here

she is supposed to be a lawyer

we will see.

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maddezmom

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Fri May-07-04 01:21 PM
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89. Clinton: Focus on the photos is Missing the POINT n/t

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frank frankly

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Fri May-07-04 01:21 PM
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92. she is magnificent so far

holy shit.

she is doing great. try for details, but she has my attention.

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SayitAintSo

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Fri May-07-04 01:20 PM
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85. GOing back to Geneva Convention - Sent signal w/ 2002 declaration

on Geneva convention changes

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Postman

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Fri May-07-04 01:20 PM
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86. General Schoomaker: what a schmuck..

there is one standard throughout the army...

There was obviously NO standard at that prison.

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LittleApple81

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Fri May-07-04 01:20 PM
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87. At least she is mentioning statements by Rumsfeld exempting

prisoners from Afghanistan and Iraq to be outside the Geneva convention.

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Fri May-07-04 01:20 PM
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88. Go Hillary go

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Oddman

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Fri May-07-04 01:22 PM
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94. She is doing a good job . .

Let's see if she finishes up strong . . .

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Fri May-07-04 01:21 PM
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90. It has to crank his craw

To have a Clinton grilling him and taking him to task...it has to crank every Neo cons ass to have this happen. For that reason, Rumsfield is toast

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Fri May-07-04 01:21 PM
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91. Focusing on the release of pictures "missing the point" n/t

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VelmaD

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Fri May-07-04 01:22 PM
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93. Hee...it doesn't take much of an imagination

GO HILLARY!

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Fri May-07-04 01:22 PM
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96. please continue in thread 8 here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1549978

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