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proud patriot

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Fri May-07-04 02:03 PM
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Rumsfeld Hearing 5/7/04 Thread 9

Edited on Fri May-07-04 02:09 PM by proud patriot

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Emboldened Chimp

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Fri May-07-04 02:05 PM
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1. Smiling, shaking hands...smarmy bastard...

one may smile and smile and be a villain...

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No2W2004

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Fri May-07-04 02:05 PM
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2. Yikes

Rummy looks like he knows things are going to go much easier on him on the house side

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kaitykaity

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Fri May-07-04 02:07 PM
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3. Hey, Proud Patriot!

Props for keeping these threads under control. Great work!!!!

:thumbsup:

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proud patriot

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Fri May-07-04 02:10 PM
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11. No problem ..My pleasure

I finally got the date right ...LOL

all the threads before this one I was dating
the 6th ...LOL

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kaitykaity

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Fri May-07-04 02:26 PM
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31. lol.

I've seen these things when there's no
mod around, so good on you. "Date? I didn't
see no stinkin' date."

:hi:

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nadinbrzezinski

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Fri May-07-04 02:08 PM
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4. Ah take two for the day

the House, boys I hope all of you read your copies of the Consititutoon.... and the Geneva COnvention Protocols of '49

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VolcanoJen

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Fri May-07-04 02:08 PM
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5. Crap. It's Round 2, and I'm already hoarse from screaming at the TV.

And I'm due at work in an hour and a half.

What will I do??? :-)

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nadinbrzezinski

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Fri May-07-04 02:09 PM
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9. I dunmo, but Duncan Hunter is an idiot

granted he has a kid there, but still

Yep he does, they made quite the issue of that the other day
in the local news...

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VelmaD

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Fri May-07-04 02:08 PM
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6. Someone wake me up when they actually...

start the hearing. This opening statement is sending me into a diabetic coma.

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Solly Mack

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Fri May-07-04 02:09 PM
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7. Hunter: "hindsight" perspectives

Edited on Fri May-07-04 02:09 PM by Solly Mack

judging cRummy

wants to list good behavior in contrast to the torture...as if one person behaving decently somehow mitigates those who committed war crimes

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nadinbrzezinski

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Fri May-07-04 02:10 PM
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12. He has forgotten the old military adage

one ooops (and this is a major ooops) undoes 100 atta boys

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LittleApple81

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Fri May-07-04 02:09 PM
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8. Hunter (R CA) Going blah...blah...unfair to do this to Rummy.

Wonderful soldiers (which I agree there are some heros over there, but he is doing it just to difuse the issue here).
Just shut up.

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No2W2004

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Fri May-07-04 02:09 PM
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10. Hey, Rep. Hunter....

Ya might want to get yer nose outa Shrub's ass before you make a commercial for the RNC

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nadinbrzezinski

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Fri May-07-04 02:12 PM
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14. oopps too late iti is already a commercial

question is this preemting afternoon programing? Switched from ABC to CNN after Jennings decided to interject his comments at the most unfortunate of moments

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readmylips

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Fri May-07-04 02:11 PM
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Senate and House were just trying to safe face...

and covering their asses. This guy Hunter only has high praise for rumbutt...and blah...blah...blah...

Hunter attacking anyone who complaints against the war...those unpatriot Americans.

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fizzana

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Fri May-07-04 02:11 PM
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13. Who is this apologist idiot

Watching CNN flashing that Al Jazeera is airing this live - and they have to listen to this idiot going on about how brave and good our soldiers are.

They don't get it and they never will get it until they're thrown out of office and we're forced to leave Iraq with our tail between our legs.

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Fleshdancer

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Fri May-07-04 02:13 PM
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16. I'm wondering the same thing.

this guy's nose is so far up Rummy's ass it's almost as hideous as watching faux news on a regular basis.

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Richardo

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Fri May-07-04 02:14 PM
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18. RW goofball from east of San Diego...

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VelmaD

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Fri May-07-04 02:12 PM
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15. What bizarro world does this guy live on?

Does he really believe that the media hasn't inundated us with images of all the "good" the soldiers in Iraq have done? Good lord and butter.

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nadinbrzezinski

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Fri May-07-04 02:14 PM
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17. Ike Skelton up

on command atmosphere... oversight is the most important role... you know the drill

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diamond14

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Fri May-07-04 02:14 PM
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19. Senator Warner said there are indeed more videos with AUDIO...

heard the press questions outside the Senate Armed Services hearing (chaired by Warner)....they peppered Warner with questions about the 'worse is yet to come' videos and photos...

VA Senator Warner confirmed the existance of even WORSE photos AND Videos of bush*'s torture chambers.....including some with AUDIO....

the press wanted to know if America will get a chance to view everything...Warner said that HE and his committee have been 'studying' the pictures and videos....and his committee will need to 'study' this war-nography a whole bunch more before making decisions....

it's ugly...

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nadinbrzezinski

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Fri May-07-04 02:16 PM
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20. Sly Hersh warned us

he also said that they were out there in the ether of the net... so you and I will see them, and I fear sooner than the Senate or Rummy wants, let me rephrase this the RNC wants us to

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Fri May-07-04 02:17 PM
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23. That means they're going to try like hell to keep them from the public

....but can they do it?

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diamond14

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Fri May-07-04 02:42 PM
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49. the press loves sex-scandals...they will get the videos with AUDIO

that's what sells papers and TV news...America will DEMAND the right to hear the screams of the tortured POWs and watch the videos...as U.S. Soldiers shove broom stick up their rectums and pull them around with dog collars on their necks...

lots of Americans pay money for exactly that type of sex-torture snuff movies all over America...it is the biggest most money-maker reason for the existence of the internet....

bush* is toast....
commander-in-chief of sex-torture snuff operations to find Weapons of Mass Destruction.....how pathetic....

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DoYouEverWonder

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Fri May-07-04 02:52 PM
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55. Too late for that

there's too much of it and there are too many copies.

Just in the first batch of Abu Ghraib photos are over 1000 images of which we've only seen a handful. The problem is the kids at the prison thought it was fun to make CDs of this set of pics onto to CDs and pass them around.

Nothing W or Rummie or even Cheney can do about it now.

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readmylips

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Fri May-07-04 02:17 PM
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21. Why all the long speeches???

Get down to the foking questions...Ike shut the hell up and bring it on.

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Richardo

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Fri May-07-04 02:17 PM
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22. There it is again: "Iraqis MUST understand..."

I thought we found out that this was an insulting condescention...

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0007

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Fri May-07-04 02:20 PM
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25. Isn't this the same opening speech Rummy said at the senate hearing?

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nadinbrzezinski

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Fri May-07-04 02:22 PM
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27. I think it is slightly modified

which leads to the question, was he rebuked on the way by cell phone?

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nadinbrzezinski

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Fri May-07-04 02:19 PM
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24. Did Rummy get a call from Rove and Chenney on the

way to the Heart building? I have to wonder

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TrogL

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Fri May-07-04 02:22 PM
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29. Sounds like he's warming up to a resignation

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Gin

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Fri May-07-04 02:32 PM
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38. I thought he sounded sad...and was ready to cry.....scene 1 act 2!

gin

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Solly Mack

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Fri May-07-04 02:21 PM
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26. here we go again.."I take responsibility...but.....look at my plan for

moving forward..."

"oh, gee, golly, america, I sure wish we could have told y'all about this before that damned media forced the issue"

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Solly Mack

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Fri May-07-04 02:22 PM
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28. cRummy obviously feels the house won't be as bad as the senate

waaaaaaaaaaaayyyyy more confident and cocky from the starting gate...

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nadinbrzezinski

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Fri May-07-04 02:27 PM
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33. Well the house works for Bush and that is the way

bush likes it

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The empressof all

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Fri May-07-04 02:25 PM
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30. Yup we'll pay those Iraq-y folks off

That's the American way

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VelmaD

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Fri May-07-04 02:26 PM
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32. WOuld one of our Reps PLEASE point out...

that Rummy keeps admitting that he's completely ineffective as a leader every time he says he had no idea what was going on in his Department?

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icymist

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Fri May-07-04 02:27 PM
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34. Did you see him crack a smile when he told of more pictures...

out there that will eventually turn up? My guess is he knows something.

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nadinbrzezinski

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Fri May-07-04 02:29 PM
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36. from watching the morning proceedings

they do know there are more to come....

Now Myers speech is the same folks... but Myers looks sicker than he did this morning

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0007

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Fri May-07-04 02:33 PM
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40. I think Rummy rode him bare back to the house for not bringing

important documents to the hearing at the senate. I wonder if Myers brought them to the house?

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nadinbrzezinski

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Fri May-07-04 02:35 PM
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43. I wonder if Rummy intimated a carreer end for Myers

like they did to chinseki, we will announce it... not you file for it

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Fri May-07-04 02:40 PM
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48. I loved the part when Kennedy

went right to the speaker outside and called for Rummy resignation and wants Powell to replace him.

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icymist

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Fri May-07-04 02:33 PM
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41. I'm worried that the repugs might plant some unrelated photos...

and then try and make that as evidence to debunk the rest, like they tried to do by mingling the pictures of the Columbia NASA astronauts with pictures of actual war dead from Iraq.

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0007

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Fri May-07-04 02:36 PM
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45. You can bet on that, I'm more worry that WMD may be planted

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icymist

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Fri May-07-04 02:48 PM
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52. Yeah. I'm worried about that too.

There's an Iranian newspaper that been monitoring such reports the last few months. Can't find the threads right now...too much traffic to use advanced search at DU....

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swag

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Fri May-07-04 03:02 PM
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67. Tehran Times

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icymist

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Fri May-07-04 03:24 PM
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94. I found it at the source, The Tehran Times archives.

http://www.tehrantimes.com/archives.asp

Don't know how reliable this paper is. This is the second of two stories about this.

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nadinbrzezinski

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Fri May-07-04 02:30 PM
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37. He does, now Myers looks a tad less sure of himself

and it is the same bloody speech...

They know...

They also know the last general staff to be tried for this was at Nuremberg.

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Solly Mack

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Fri May-07-04 02:28 PM
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35. Oh..I see.."terrorists" exploit the bad

so if you want to "harp" on this "bad"..well..you know the rest..

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nadinbrzezinski

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Fri May-07-04 02:32 PM
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39. Bad, bad me

I am not a good murican for questioning the actions of my gov;ment... didn't Jefferson say it was my duty to do such?

What does he know?

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Solly Mack

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Fri May-07-04 02:39 PM
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46. between digital cameras and people asking questions...demanding answers

terrorists will take over!

:eyes:

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fizzana

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Fri May-07-04 02:34 PM
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42. All I hear are lame excuses

Saddam Hussein would also like to apologize.

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nadinbrzezinski

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Fri May-07-04 02:40 PM
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47. He may get his chance

at a court of law

Yes I managed to say this with a straight face

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Solly Mack

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Fri May-07-04 02:35 PM
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44. See my chart? My chart proves everything. My chart explains it all.

How can you question my actions? I have a chart!

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nadinbrzezinski

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Fri May-07-04 02:42 PM
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50. I can't wait for the modified

Nuremberg Defense, once again...

BARF

this is my government, and my department of defense

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TeeYiYi

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Fri May-07-04 03:15 PM
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86. *lol* ...n/t

TYY

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nadinbrzezinski

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Fri May-07-04 02:45 PM
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51. Well one thng I have to agree wiht the

Asistant Secretary of the Army....

We cannot allow this to have the Mai Lay effect on the overall service

But.... this does not mean that those who did a booboo, should not face the music, and this boooboo is a war crime... lets use the correct term... here.

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nadinbrzezinski

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Fri May-07-04 02:51 PM
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53. Lt Gen Smith looks sick

our military officers look sick, while rummy and the civies still look cocky, somewhat cocky

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PaDUer

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Fri May-07-04 03:00 PM
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63. Yup...they've probably been

watching the videos at nite w/ popcorn!

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Solly Mack

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Fri May-07-04 02:51 PM
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54. gawds....why not offer them some biscotti with their coffee?

run fetch a foot rest...

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nadinbrzezinski

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Fri May-07-04 02:56 PM
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59. one or two lumps

one or two shots of espresso?

GAWD... this is being played live around the world.

Do THEY even realize this?

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proud patriot

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Fri May-07-04 02:52 PM
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56. Randi is playing testimony from today

and laughing her ass off at rummy and myers .

listen to Randi's archived show from today it's a hoot .

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nadinbrzezinski

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Fri May-07-04 02:54 PM
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57. nice distraction Duncan, this is not about the situation on the ground

but about war crimes, could he be more obvious about this?

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Solly Mack

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Fri May-07-04 02:55 PM
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58. well, this torture thing is just a glitch in an otherwise

smooth operation...haven't you heard?

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nadinbrzezinski

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Fri May-07-04 02:57 PM
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60. Sorry been out of the loop

since my hubby retired, those are the memos passed at wives meetings?

I would NOT be surprised that this is the message from the top brass right now

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Solly Mack

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Fri May-07-04 03:00 PM
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64. I wouldn't be surprised either :(

and it certainly seemed to be Hunter's point...as well as several others.

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nadinbrzezinski

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Fri May-07-04 03:04 PM
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70. Yep, and the 1 ID wives have been told to shut

up... these people make me sick... make mu stomach turn, and is it me or is rummy looking scared for once

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Solly Mack

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Fri May-07-04 02:59 PM
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61. "they'll be surprises" ( expounding on "more to come")

and then cRummy went on to say much of nothing....

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nadinbrzezinski

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Fri May-07-04 03:00 PM
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62. Modified Nuremberg right up

GOD this pos does not realize this is now being played across the world...

God

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DoYouEverWonder

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Fri May-07-04 03:00 PM
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65. One of the military guys just bailed out Rummie's ass

Taking responsiblity for keeping Congress informed.

Rummie was starting to really go off and this guy intervened and Rummie just shut up like a good little boy.

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nadinbrzezinski

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Fri May-07-04 03:02 PM
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66. that was joint chief of staff chairman Meyers

Rummy is even in trouble here, I think

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Solly Mack

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Fri May-07-04 03:03 PM
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68. Meyers took the total "blame" for calling CBS as well

and I just don't buy Meyers acted on his own in calling CBS to stall the pictures.

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DoYouEverWonder

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Fri May-07-04 03:03 PM
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69. No someone else, not Myers

This guy is too Rummie's right.

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nadinbrzezinski

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Fri May-07-04 03:08 PM
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77. my mistake I thought it was Myers

lets see four stars on him or three, four that woudl be Chief of Staff Shoemaker, three stars, deputy CENTCOM Commander, Smith

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DoYouEverWonder

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Fri May-07-04 03:14 PM
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84. It's was the one to the right of Myers

Edited on Fri May-07-04 03:25 PM by DoYouEverWonder

I believe.

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PaDUer

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Fri May-07-04 03:04 PM
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72. Meyers doing his duty!

Meyers should be jailed along w/ the rest of them! To think they want to start a draft!!

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DoYouEverWonder

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Fri May-07-04 03:04 PM
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71. One of the Reps just called Kimmet, Kermit

LOL

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LittleApple81

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Fri May-07-04 03:05 PM
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73. Why is R-NJ- Saxton wasting so much time reading the time-line???

Is this to leave less time for real questions?

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nadinbrzezinski

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Fri May-07-04 03:06 PM
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74. run the clock but he is also makiing rummy pissed

body language is telling

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LittleApple81

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Fri May-07-04 03:07 PM
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75. HE WANTS FEWER CAMERAS, LESS INFORMATION, MORE CONTROL.

That is apparent in his answer to Sexton.
He really does not care about bringing justice or Soldiers, or any junk like that. HE WANTS LESS INFORMATION, FEWER CAMERAS, LESS INFORMATION.

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nadinbrzezinski

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Fri May-07-04 03:09 PM
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80. He knows these records sunk the Nazis

they kept careful records, we don't want that do we?

Sorry for the comparison... by the way, but the IMT keeps coming to mind, and this is a very Dr Strangelove moment, take ALL the radios!

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DoYouEverWonder

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Fri May-07-04 03:07 PM
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76. Releasing the photos, meddles with the criminal process.

No asshole, torturing prisoners meddles with the process.

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Solly Mack

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Fri May-07-04 03:08 PM
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78. those damn digital cameras again..and now, "meddling with criminal

prosecution"

I smell Patriot Act charges being used against someone...

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nadinbrzezinski

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Fri May-07-04 03:10 PM
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81. Good nose, Private Darbe comes to mind

good job for bringing this to our attention private, now here is the article 32...

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DoYouEverWonder

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Fri May-07-04 03:09 PM
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79. So concerned with the perps rights?

Has to protect them.

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nadinbrzezinski

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Fri May-07-04 03:12 PM
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83. how "liberal" of him

isn't we the Liberals who are concerned about RIGHS of PRISONERs

Is Rummy a Lib or what? (in my best imitation of a freeper)

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SayitAintSo

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Fri May-07-04 03:10 PM
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82. SC Home boy Spratt up now .... please do us proud ....

Edited on Fri May-07-04 03:17 PM by SayitAintSo

Finds it hard that actions are totally isolated ... Going up stream via Karpinski's word.

spelling edit

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nadinbrzezinski

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Fri May-07-04 03:15 PM
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85. that up stream

is going to lead to sanches and abizaid's office... and that is going to lead to shoomaker and myers, and ... wolfie and rummy... and the big price, bush

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DoYouEverWonder

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Fri May-07-04 03:16 PM
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87. Locking people up at gitmo, to keep the terrorists off the street

so they don't kill innocent men, women and children.

I guess Rummie just wants them all for himself.

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DoYouEverWonder

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Fri May-07-04 03:18 PM
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88. Who's Thornberry?

I think I'm gonna need a barf bag.

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LittleApple81

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Fri May-07-04 03:18 PM
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89. Thornberry R- Texas up now.... time to mute my TV and go back to Randi.n/t

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nadinbrzezinski

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Fri May-07-04 03:19 PM
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90. thornberry is up

I am bothered by this incident

Somebody send him a memo... this incident rises to the category
of a war crime

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SayitAintSo

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Fri May-07-04 03:20 PM
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91. Cant you just spot a puke by the sanctimonious self important tone ?

This Texas dude Thornberry just seems really impressed with himself ... Talking R E A L S L O W and emphatic ....

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nadinbrzezinski

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Fri May-07-04 03:22 PM
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92. the faces and body language from the witnsesses

from his statement is telling... he did more damage to their cause

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LittleApple81

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Fri May-07-04 03:22 PM
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93. HE IS ANOTHER ONE WHO DOES NOT WANT PICTURES, OR REPORTS,

OR INFORMATION TO LEAK OUT.

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Kimber Scott

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Fri May-07-04 03:26 PM
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101. If there were no pictures then everything would be okay.

Is that what these people are saying? The crime is in taking the picture, not in committing the act.

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frank frankly

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Fri May-07-04 03:25 PM
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98. he is STOOPID like the Senator from Colorado

now they are denying any chain of command.

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LittleApple81

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Fri May-07-04 03:24 PM
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95. Hunter doing damage control (from Spratt questions). Is there any

instruction to conduct interrogation in the way it was done? What a stupid question. They are not going to put it IN WRITING. And that is why they use the contractors. DO THEY THINK WE ARE THAT STUPID. Silly question, of course they do.

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LittleApple81

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Fri May-07-04 03:25 PM
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97. How does Myer know that it was the individuals going on a sick

tangent if the investigation is not done yet?

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spotbird

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Fri May-07-04 03:25 PM
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96. The best they can do is complain that the pictures were leaked.

I sure hope that guy has his insurance paid up, his life expectancy is short.

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SayitAintSo

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Fri May-07-04 03:25 PM
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99. ABSOLUTLY NOT from Rummy - on the actions were not approved

Hold on to your hats ... There better not be an "order in the wood pile" that sanctioned this abuse.

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nadinbrzezinski

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Fri May-07-04 03:26 PM
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100. Myers cut the crap, and take

some responsibility, this is a CULTURE that was encouraged by statememts by SecDef about the war on terror... you know it, and we know it.

Trying to hang up the stripes, while forgiving the stars is WRONG

Oh and Shomaker, yhou have, need i remind you of Puzan Island? Nam?

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Fri May-07-04 03:29 PM
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102. Please continue in thread 10 here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1551490

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