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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 02:34 PM
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Clinton's Military Didn't Do This In Bosnia
The Bosnians actually threw flowers at us and treated us as liberators. Imagine that.
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ret5hd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 02:38 PM
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1. admittedly, we were much better received...
but don't forget the DynCorp sex trade there.

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billybob537 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 02:39 PM
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2. Yeah but it's still his fault
according to the dittoheads. lie lie hate Clinton Fear terra fear terra hate Clinton fear lie terra Hate Clinton You know the drill.
:evilfrown:
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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 02:40 PM
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3. Kosovo????
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Pillowbiter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 02:56 PM
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4. Kosovo was Clarke's deal
Not that Clinton didn't let his actions slide.

This was the low point in the Clinton administration for me personally.

Other than that he was the best president ever, even under the conditions he was put under.

PB
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Kanary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 03:12 PM
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8. Other than that, Best president ever? The War On Welfare was OK?
So, it's BAD for the US to hurt people in other countries.

It's GOOD for the US to hurt it's own.

Kanary
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ithacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 03:04 PM
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5. ummm, well actually
the private security firm that the US relied on in Bosnia set up brothels and imprisoned Bosnian and other women in them to serve soldiers and others...

Not quite the same, but the very problematic nature of privatizing military functions is very clear and it did not begin under W.

- - - - - - - - - - - -
Outside the law
By Robert Capps

June 26, 2002 | Ben Johnston recoiled in horror when he heard one
of his fellow helicopter mechanics at a U.S. Army base near Tuzla,
Bosnia, brag one day in early 2000: "My girl's not a day over 12."

The man who uttered the statement -- a man in his 60s, by Johnston's
estimate -- was not talking fondly about his granddaughter or
daughter or another relative. He was bragging about the preteen he
had purchased from a local brothel. Johnston, who'd gone to work as a
civilian contractor mechanic for DynCorp Inc. after a six-year stint
in the Army, had worked on helicopters for years, and he'd heard a
lot of hangar talk. But never anything like this.

More and more often in those months, the talk among his co-workers
had turned to boasts about owning prostitutes -- how young they were,
how good they were in bed, how much they cost. And it wasn't just
boasting: Johnston often saw co-workers out on the streets of
Dubrave, the closest town to the base, with the young female consorts
that inspired their braggadocio. They'd bring them to company
functions, and on one occasion, Johnston says, over to his house for
dinner. Occasionally he'd see the young girls riding bikes and
playing with other children, with their "owners" standing by,
watching.

<snip>

So Johnston says he complained to managers at DynCorp, the Reston,
Va.-based company that had hired him to be a mechanic at the U.S.
Army's Camp Comanche in Bosnia, and to the Army Criminal
Investigation Command (known by the acronym CID). In the end, two
DynCorp employees would be fired for the activities Johnston
complained about -- including site supervisor John Hirtz -- but not
before Johnston himself lost his job. And nobody would face criminal charges of any kind for their involvement with the young prostitutes.
<more>
http://archive.salon.com/news/feature/2002/06/26/bosnia/ *****

*****
Crime without punishment

Investigators knew employees for U.S. military contractors in Bosnia
bought women as sex slaves. But because of legal loopholes and
bureaucratic confusion, no one was prosecuted.

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By Robert Capps

June 27, 2002 | In early 2000, the U.S. Army received information
that private contractors working at a base near Tuzla, Bosnia, were
purchasing women from local brothels. Some of the women may have been
as young as 12, and some were being held as sex slaves, the sources
alleged.

Investigations by the Bosnian police and the U.S. Army confirmed the
gist of those reports, turning up significant evidence of wrongdoing
by at least seven men -- including at least one supervisor --
employed by Reston, Va.-based DynCorp. Despite those findings,no one ever faced criminal charges or prosecution in either Bosnia or the United States.

The investigation at Camp Comanche in Bosnia is at the heart of a
lawsuit filed by former DynCorp mechanic Ben Johnston, who says
DynCorp wrongfully fired him for assisting the Army Criminal
Investigation Command in its probe of the camp. The investigation and
its results, along with allegations made in a similar whistleblower
lawsuit against DynCorp in the U.K., have brought to light a critical loophole in efforts to police the shadowy world of private military firms, a booming industry that's now worth almost $100 billion a year.

Thanks to a combination of factors -- the jurisdictional conflicts of
American law, the immunity provided to these contractors by international treaties, and the underdeveloped police agencies in
host countries -- many crimes committed by private military personnel
while based overseas will likely go unpunished, just as they did in
Bosnia.
<more>
<http://archive.salon.com/news/feature/2002/06/27/military/>
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bigbillhaywood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 03:06 PM
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6. Big difference. Bosnian leaders invited US in. n/t
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 03:09 PM
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7. You Can Thank Wes Clark For That
The sort of shit we are seeing for the first time today doesn't happen when you have men like Wes Clark in charge. They simply will not permit it.
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